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Pre-Release Metroid Prime 4: Pre-Release Discussion Thread

oomoepoo said:
Nintendo aren't Square Enix, they usually have realistic expectations about their games' sales.
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I respond to you, because I don't respond to insults.

It's not much about setting expectiation in advance of LTD sales.
Since I care for Metroid Prime, I just hope for the series to continue being viable in the future. I just think (in my opinion) that between a low-risk/low-reward and an high-risks/high-reward approach, I would prefer Nintendo to choose the latter.
In other words, rather than making a game to appease fans expectation, I would rather prefer them to look for what a modern 1st person adventure game in 2024 should be like. That's it.
It's not at all guarateed to work, but it did wonders for Zelda. And in before, no I would never expect that kind of growth, but I would advocate for them to seek at least some degree of growth.

Since I've already explained myself I won't make any more replies in this thread for a while, as it is leading to some toxic replies that are not benefitting the discussion.
Thanks.
 
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If it was something like Metroid Prime 4 + Switch 2 in September, then 3D Mario in late October and Pokémon in November, it'd be a killer launch lineup. Add in probably a Mario Kart in spring 2025 with hopefully Animal Crossing already announced and we have something as big or even bigger than Switch launch window imo.

I think I'd also expect some cross gen niche games to come in the launch window(from fall 2024 to early summer 2025), with Astral Chain 2 being quite probable and I'd love to see an ARMS 2(maybe having the EPD leads but the game being outsourced or co-produced like Pikmin 4?).
 
Nintendo’s not launching with Prime 4 only to have their biggest IP (Mario) release a month later.

Think they’ll take the game that can sell 25+ million to launch over the game that will probably do less than 7 million.
 
Bait02 said:
And yes, today games with high production values typically aim for more than 4-5mil LTD sales.
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This makes me wish we REALLY knew the profitability of FFXVI so far ( I know we have the IR report, but for various reasons it doesn't tell us that clearly). Because if that game made profit at 3M, Metroid Prime 4 should be more than fine.

The reason most triple A games target 3M+ is not because they want to make money, it's because they want to make all the money. Pretty sure most triple A games outside of Rockstar games or other gigantic titles start making money at 3M or even before it.
 
AngryAlchemist said:
This makes me wish we REALLY knew the profitability of FFXVI so far ( I know we have the IR report, but for various reasons it doesn't tell us that clearly). Because if that game made profit at 3M, Metroid Prime 4 should be more than fine.
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FFXVI (and VII Remake) are probably not all that great comparison, given I can't even imagine how much extra Sony paid to keep it off of other platforms. But I see where you're coming from.
 
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Linkstrikesback said:
There is zero chance in any reality they greenlit Metroid prime 4 with the intention that it would sell significantly more than 4-5m for a series that has only just barely got over 3m.

That would just be straight up idiotic, and whichever beancounter was in charge of those decisions would have to have serious questions asked about their employment, since they've got little to no clue about what they're doing.
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I agree, Nintendo has reasonable expectations for what their ips should sell.
For example, Other M's lifetime expectations were of only 1,5 million if im not mistaken. Surely Dread mwas the same if not less due to not being as costly.

With that said, Nintendo has tried multiple times to make the franchise hit new standards and surely this will be their biggest attempt.
 
Bait02 said:
If thier goal is to sell mostly to established fans and, by chance, to some courious onlookers, it is fair enough (I would be satisfied as a fan) but then I don't see bright future for the series going forward.
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Hey you said it not me lol.

At this point they are probably willing to eat a (small) loss on Prime 4 costs (counting the years of dev for the previous version) to get the game out and ensure goodwill. But I see no reason for Nintendo to expect Prime 4 to sell significantly more than what has been laid out. I’m sure they’d be happy of course if Prime 4 gained a lot of new fans, but I would guess they are not funding this game thinking it will sell 10 million or what have you.
 
Depending on marketing cycle, it'll either be blowout+release date or story tease+gameplay+release date and blowout in the next direct. I don't see just a teaser happening after all this time.
 
Mr Doggo said:
I agree, Nintendo has reasonable expectations for what their ips should sell.
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This is why it always bothers me when people say Samus Returns was a failure, because it clearly met Nintendo's expectations. People don't think relatively, assuming that since it didn't break 1 million then it must have been a bomb, when in reality it's all about expectations.
 
Joe said:
Right now the real game is to see how many Metroid games get released between Metroid Prime 4's announcement and its release. Currently we're up to three.
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we need to get to 4 until mp4 releases.
Joe said:
This is why it always bothers me when people say Samus Returns was a failure, because it clearly met Nintendo's expectations. People don't think relatively, assuming that since it didn't break 1 million then it must have been a bomb, when in reality it's all about expectations.
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Pretty much, but like i said before: Nintendo certainly has their realistic expectations for what each game will sell, that wont impede them from making metroid games that cost more than they should (exactly because they want it to sell more, despite having the realistic expectations)
 
BozPaggs said:
Depending on marketing cycle, it'll either be blowout+release date or story tease+gameplay+release date and blowout in the next direct. I don't see just a teaser happening after all this time.
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Yeah, I can even see it getting its story teaser+ gameplay reveal this September then waiting until June for another trailer and blowout and release date like Bayo 3.

I really, really hope the re-reveal is like that of Tears of the Kingdom and we get a trailer + subtitle + March/May release date, with a new trailer in February (or maybe even another teaser at TGAs), and then a cycle like that of Dread with several updates and short story tidbits or just some landscapes with reminder of the release date until a great final trailer + Treehouse.

Ohh and don't forget an OLED SE in February or April.

Also a little wild prediction, but: shadowdrop Samus Returns HD for 29,99 and let Metroid Prime 2/3 be high effort remastermakes to come between MP4 and Metroid 6 and Metroid 6 and Prime 5 instead of throwing the whole trilogy in just one year.
 
Expectations and making a profit are two different things since I saw someone bring up profit. A game can make a profit, but it doesn’t mean that’s Nintendo’s expectations.
 
Marce-chan said:
Yeah, I can even see it getting its story teaser+ gameplay reveal this September then waiting until June for another trailer and blowout and release date like Bayo 3.

I really, really hope the re-reveal is like that of Tears of the Kingdom and we get a trailer + subtitle + March/May release date, with a new trailer in February (or maybe even another teaser at TGAs), and then a cycle like that of Dread with several updates and short story tidbits or just some landscapes with reminder of the release date until a great final trailer + Treehouse.

Ohh and don't forget an OLED SE in February or April.

Also a little wild prediction, but: shadowdrop Samus Returns HD for 29,99 and let Metroid Prime 2/3 be high effort remastermakes to come between MP4 and Metroid 6 and Metroid 6 and Prime 5 instead of throwing the whole trilogy in just one year.
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I'm thinking March-May release date depending on blowout timing.

Though please not the special edition oled, I don't want to be forced to buy two switches next year xD

I would prefer 2 and 3 getting spaced out too, give us something in otherwise Metroid-less years. I think SRHD will be closer to the Dark Moon HD reveal, maybe with a shorter turnaround. I'd hope they put enough effort into it to bring gameplay fluidity more in line with Dread.
 
oomoepoo said:
Plot twist: Prime 4 has the subtitle Metroid 6 🤪
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Metroid Prime 4: Metroid 6: The Crawling of the Metroid

Marce-chan said:
Yeah, I can even see it getting its story teaser+ gameplay reveal this September then waiting until June for another trailer and blowout and release date like Bayo 3.

I really, really hope the re-reveal is like that of Tears of the Kingdom and we get a trailer + subtitle + March/May release date, with a new trailer in February (or maybe even another teaser at TGAs), and then a cycle like that of Dread with several updates and short story tidbits or just some landscapes with reminder of the release date until a great final trailer + Treehouse.

Ohh and don't forget an OLED SE in February or April.

Also a little wild prediction, but: shadowdrop Samus Returns HD for 29,99 and let Metroid Prime 2/3 be high effort remastermakes to come between MP4 and Metroid 6 and Metroid 6 and Prime 5 instead of throwing the whole trilogy in just one year.
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I feel like if they wanted to tease us, they would have done that years ago. We're over 4.5 years into (re)development now. When they show us the game, they're going to really show us the game. And then yeah, another trailer a couple months out from release. Perhaps something like the Dread reports as well. Just like with Dread though I'm going to ignore everything after the initial trailer. It's going to be brutally hard but worth it!
 
Dark Cloud said:
Expectations and making a profit are two different things since I saw someone bring up profit. A game can make a profit, but it doesn’t mean that’s Nintendo’s expectations.
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Well said. I mean, I'm sure a game like Super Mario Odyssey would've had made a lot of profit even if it sold like 4m copies. But damn would that be below Nintendo's expectations.

But even expectations for Metroid would be hardly missed seeing how conservative Nintendo is in regards to sales expectations. We know from themselves that Animal Crossing New Horizons smashed their lifetime sales expectations in its first 11 days(where it sold 11m+ units). And hey even if the game didn't meet the expectations and sold like 7m it would've made a fair amount of profit.
BozPaggs said:
I'm thinking March-May release date depending on blowout timing.

Though please not the special edition oled, I don't want to be forced to buy two switches next year xD

I would prefer 2 and 3 getting spaced out too, give us something in otherwise Metroid-less years. I think SRHD will be closer to the Dark Moon HD reveal, maybe with a shorter turnaround. I'd hope they put enough effort into it to bring gameplay fluidity more in line with Dread.
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I don't know what would be the best possible spot for the game's sales. I think early March could make the game ride on the hype build by Wonder/RPG/Christmas that made a lot of people buy switches and/or get back to playing it, so MP4 being the next big thing would make it do super well(like Pikmin 4 being the next big thing after TotK).

May tho could still work fine, since re-reveal in September until release in May would give it a healthy ~8 months of hype cycle.

Also yeah I hope they make a Samus Returns HD with some texture rework and at least replace Samus model or touch up the models for them to be more rounded.

So what about an special OLED that comes with MPR bundled for BF? :p
TheSpaceBetween said:
Metroid Prime 4: Metroid 6: The Crawling of the Metroid



I feel like if they wanted to tease us, they would have done that years ago. We're over 4.5 years into (re)development now. When they show us the game, they're going to really show us the game. And then yeah, another trailer a couple months out from release. Perhaps something like the Dread reports as well. Just like with Dread though I'm going to ignore everything after the initial trailer. It's going to be brutally hard but worth it!
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Yeah, I feel the same as well... Even with Tears of the Kingdom, the E3 2021 trailer after 2 years of radio silence showed a lot in hindsight. So I definitely expected the game to have a nice trailer with cutscenes + gameplay and hopefully a release date.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Nintendo’s not launching with Prime 4 only to have their biggest IP (Mario) release a month later.

Think they’ll take the game that can sell 25+ million to launch over the game that will probably do less than 7 million.
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Yup, they'll be at least 3 months apart. Whether Prime 4 comes before or after the launch of Switch 2 and 3D Mario is the question.
 
I don't know about Halo Infinite but Halo has always had huge levels depending on the stage and it's worked out very well before even with slow movement speeds. Sounds good to me!
 
SutrI said:
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The quote from Nick Baker is definitely "I know a guy" hearsay, but I'm feeling pretty hopeful about this report. Huge areas without becoming an open-world side quest checklist or something mundane like that sounds ideal!
 
Interesting. This is the first rumor about what MP4 will actually be like that we've had. Taking this with a grain of salt, but that sounds great if true.
 
I know the process is doing it's thing, but part of me doubts that something like this would leak out of Retro. Anything is possible though, especially with their continued growth and all the outsourcing on Prime 4, it's going to be harder to contain leaks.
 
TheSpaceBetween said:
I know the process is doing it's thing, but part of me doubts that something like this would leak out of Retro. Anything is possible though, especially with their continued growth and all the outsourcing on Prime 4, it's going to be harder to contain leaks.
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They've done a bang-up job of keeping everything contained, so I hope things stay that way. This basic info about game scale and the graphics being super pretty is just hype fuel for me, though. As for how I feel about potential other leaky stuff from folks?

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Giancarlo said:
septembre Nintendo Direct for a teaser of the game with a 2024 release window, or at TGA 2023
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Wasn't serious about the development update video, though it would be hilarious and awesome haha. We have a shot for September for sure, though I think if they show it we're getting a full gameplay trailer and a hard release date, just like Dread.
 
TheSpaceBetween said:
Interesting. This is the first rumor about what MP4 will actually be like that we've had. Taking this with a grain of salt, but that sounds great if true.
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Dark Cloud said:
It is wild. This is the first rumor ever for Prime 4. I hope this means we’re seeing it in September
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It's a sign. The process works in mysterious ways, but occasionally, it will provide us with moments of absolute and unambiguous clarity.

I think this is one of them.
AngryAlchemist said:
Imagine you get to play a demo of Prime 4 and this starts playing in the beginning of the game when you're going down cold metal hallways:



😩
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I definitely want a Fusion arrangement or two in the mix! Corruption gave us the Berserker Lord theme (Arachnus), and unless I'm remembering wrong, that's remained the only Fusion originated track in the Prime games.
 
Marce-chan said:
I don't know what would be the best possible spot for the game's sales. I think early March could make the game ride on the hype build by Wonder/RPG/Christmas that made a lot of people buy switches and/or get back to playing it, so MP4 being the next big thing would make it do super well(like Pikmin 4 being the next big thing after TotK).

May tho could still work fine, since re-reveal in September until release in May would give it a healthy ~8 months of hype cycle.

Also yeah I hope they make a Samus Returns HD with some texture rework and at least replace Samus model or touch up the models for them to be more rounded.

So what about an special OLED that comes with MPR bundled for BF? :p
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Maybe I'm talking out of my arse a bit here but I think it's got to be pre-June because I have a feeling that Ninty wants to get the game out as soon as it's done and polished. I highly doubt it'll be sat on for more than a couple months at most, definitely not long enough to launch cross-gen (unless 2witch is H1).

Tbh I think I'd just prefer a special pro controller 😂
 
Wow, a Prime 4 rumor. I like what it says, it should be the logical next step to evolve the Metroid formula. Not everything should be open world, Metroid just wouldn´t work on that formula. But bigger areas? I'm so in.

That said, maybe is just wishful thinking, but a rumor before September could mean an announcement on the next direct? In Spain we have an old quote which says "when you can hear the sound of the river it means it carries water" which would mean that if there are rumors already moving that could mean something about the game is imminent. And that would fit with what Grubb said about Prime 2 port being sooner than expected. I don't think they will re-announce Prime 4 with 6 months in advance like they do with other games, they will do as they did with TotK and Bayonetta 3 imo. So announcing it a year in advance with the Prime 2 shadowdrop to start the hype machine and then the date in early-mid 2024 with Prime 3 shadowdrop. Or maybe is an early 2024 release and then we can all go nuts. The sudden launch of Prime Remastered out of nowhere on February must mean something, that's for sure.

In any case, I trust the process.
 
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