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i mean the Q isn’t a console and just an accessory to a console, which makes me think if it was an accessory they’d just say that it was, instead of console?
I was suggesting that they were using the Q as a cover for vagueness, not that they were referring to a Q. But it's also an investment website, not only might the writer of the piece be unaware of the distinction, from a manufacturing point of view, which is why she's covering, the Q and the Switch are very similar products.
 
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If Q1 2024 is indeed the release window for [Redacted], I fully expect Nintendo to say or announce something before the end of the year, holiday sales be damned.
 
But it's also an investment website, not only might the writer of the piece be unaware of the distinction, from a manufacturing point of view, which is why she's covering, the Q and the Switch are very similar products.
But if you want to talk context of why this was included in the article, it's because it's something that will be a major revenue driver for PixArt, which Sony's streaming handheld definitely won't be, even if it did have a sensor component in it (which is just a what-if) and if it was launching next year (supposedly not).
 
Regarding the MoneyDJ reports, they seem to receive some "supply chain" intel regarding a new Switch model launching in Q1 2024. However, they are simply connecting the dots to PixArt (here and here) and Weltrend (here) in order to predict their financial performances in H2 2023. I personally wouldn't take them as a confirmation of component sourcing from these companies. As I mentioned previously, Taiwanese financial media often play a cheerleading role, and thus the stories need some parsing.

Edit: Forgot to say that MoneyDJ did not mention Nintendo or Switch by name in the PixArt and Weltrend articles, precisely because they do not know if Switch NG will actually use any PixArt or Weltrend components. The only solid connection they can make is to the Foxconn Technology (here), hence the blatant namedropping.
 
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An announcement in January counts as a Direct, right????

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In all seriousness, I could see the announcement be treated in and of itself as a Direct, much like the Mario movie trailers. There'll probably be some sort of preamble leading up to the announcement, like said Directs. Either way, I expect an announcement of an announcement beforehand, as was the case for even standalone trailers, like with Zelda.
 
Regarding the MoneyDJ reports, they seem to receive some "supply chain" intel regarding a new Switch model launching in Q1 2024. However, they are simply connecting the dots to PixArt (here and here) and Weltrend (here) in order to predict their financial performances in H2 2023. I personally wouldn't take them as a confirmation of component sourcing from these companies. As I mentioned previously, Taiwanese financial media often play a cheerleading role, and thus the stories need some parsing.

Edit: Forgot to say that MoneyDJ did not mention Nintendo or Switch by name in the PixArt and Weltrend articles, precisely because they do not know if Switch NG will actually use any PixArt or Weltrend components. The only solid connection they can make is to the Foxconn Technology (here), hence the blatant namedropping.
We all know it's too late. The videos have been made.
 
Tbh I really don't give a shit about any of the discussion or discourse outside this thread of mostly extremely reasonable people. Let them make their videos, let people get fooled, have false expectations. It won't change Nintendo's plans, it won't affect the climate on a macro scale, it'll just be mildly annoying.
 
Tbh I really don't give a shit about any of the discussion or discourse outside this thread of mostly extremely reasonable people. Let them make their videos, let people get fooled, have false expectations. It won't change Nintendo's plans, it won't affect the climate on a macro scale, it'll just be mildly annoying.
As long as it doesn't bleed into this thread, we should be fine.
 
Regarding the MoneyDJ reports, they seem to receive some "supply chain" intel regarding a new Switch model launching in Q1 2024. However, they are simply connecting the dots to PixArt (here and here) and Weltrend (here) in order to predict their financial performances in H2 2023. I personally wouldn't take them as a confirmation of component sourcing from these companies. As I mentioned previously, Taiwanese financial media often play a cheerleading role, and thus the stories need some parsing.

Edit: Forgot to say that MoneyDJ did not mention Nintendo or Switch by name in the PixArt and Weltrend articles, precisely because they do not know if Switch NG will actually use any PixArt or Weltrend components. The only solid connection they can make is to the Foxconn Technology (here), hence the blatant namedropping.
What makes you say that the PixArt and Weltrend connections aren't supposed to be the "supply chain intel" in question?

It doesn't really matter, since none of us much care where Nintendo sources components from, but either way I think the dot-connecting would be reasonable (i.e. not just unfounded cheerleading) because those two companies supply components for the current Switch and there's not much reason to expect they wouldn't continue to do so for a similar next console.

(To be clear, regardless of this side discussion, the article is claiming to have information about release timing for a new Nintendo console, whether or not those companies end up supplying components for it.)
 
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for all the discussion about ram type that Drake would use, I wondered if there was a controller and interface that could handle both LPDDR5 and LPDDR5x, and sure enough, there was. of course, Nvidia could use their own, but the point is, pointing out which Nintendo uses is almost moot since there are solutions that allow them to use both and it's just a matter of picking one

 
Right because it'd be way too early to consider a successor their 8 year old console running on would-be 10 year old hardware by that time.
There is a world where it's planned for a late 2024 release but delayed to early 2025 because the games weren't ready. There is precedent to this even, with the 3DS and Switch getting such delays.
 
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4. This leaves Q1 2024 as the only semi-realistic release window before Fall 2024, but this window already only has 8 months until it closes and there's just nowhere close to any serious chatter about a major upcoming Switch 2 blowout that would need to happen within the next 3 months for me to believe in a Q1 2024 release.
If they were totally repeating the Switch schedule there wouldn't be a blowout for... nearly 6 months. The equivalent of the October teaser they could probably produce without many people being aware with little notice at any time, just need to combine some game clips with smiling actors holding mockup devices and an inoffensive pop background tune.
Mario Wonder also heavily suggests a Fall 2024 (at the earliest), if you've of the belief that the Switch 2 will launch with a 3D Mario game.
If it were the Galaxy 2 to Wonder's New Super Mario Bros. Wii, the release date for new 3D Mario would be April 9, 2024.
 
I mean technically it was kinda close to a gameboy pro. Very similar to the DSi and New 3ds in that there were a couple of genuine exclusives but nothing major and the hardware difference wasn't really different to make a substantially different experience, (nothing like frame rate increases or big resolution bumps, anyway). Colours were a nice improvement though, I smiled like a dope when I Pokemon changed from toned greyscale.
 
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Some little birdie just gave me the new potential name for the next switch.

Nintendo switch 64bit, 32bit, 16bit, 8bit, 4bit, 2bit, 1bit, half bit,Quarter bit, the wrist game! Switch®™
 
Remnant 2 having no pop-in whatsoever at the cost of... Needing higher than an RTX 4090 to run well... We'll see if this cost can be reduced over time, lol.
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Are you playing it right now? I'm on an Asus laptop with an RTX 3060 and can get 60fps with DLSS set to Ultra Performance at 1440p with Medium to Low settings. The game is ROUGH when I turn off DLSS so I won't be doing that lol, but I am running it just fine like this and get no pop-in. It really is cool to see this tech (Nanite) in action.

Worth noting that PC ports have always been spotty... Especially this year, sheesh. I think we will see optimizations made to UE5 console games/ports over time... At least I hope lol.
 

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Even before we got a bunch of games dated for the back half of the year, I was solidly Team 2024. I can't see it being in the first half if they haven't announced anything this month, though. August would be pushing it, and starting from September you're too close to the holiday season. People always make note of the Switch and its October unveiling video, but they also overlook that we knew the release month long before then: Nintendo told us the Nintendo NX would be releasing in March 2017 a year prior, in April 2016. Nintendo has consistently given us at least 8-to-12 months heads-up of when to expect a new hardware generation for their past few systems (Wii U was announced April 2011, released November 2012; 3DS was March 2010, released March 2011 after failing to hit the holidays; Wii was E3 2005, released November 2006; Nintendo DS was January 2004, released Holiday 2004; etc.), and I don't see the Switch 2 being any different. We'll get an announcement in Q1 next year, either in the weeks before or after the usual February Direct, a proper unveiling in Summer, and then a launch in November with a 3D Super Mario title.
 
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Of course, Macronix's 192-layer 3D NAND also seems to be targeted at Nintendo.
As for the progress of 3D NAND Flash, Mr. Wu said that 96-layer products have been sent to customers for verification and are expected to be in mass production this year, with the main customers being game console manufacturers; 192-layer products are progressing very well and are targeted to be in mass production next year, which is also targeted at customers in the game market, and will also explore other application markets. (Translated by DeepL)
 
By the time Drake comes out, nobody will care. Everyone will be to busy surviving because climate change has gotten so bad.

* sorry to bring my climate anxiety in here.
 


Just switch out light sabers with Switch 2 and about not finding weapons of mass destruction with Switch 2 release and give me tacos with SMB wonder Oled

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Second tweet in the same month 🤨

He doesn't work at Nintendo since 2 years ago, probably means nothing.
Hey, Game Boy went 10 years without a successor. So it's definitely not impossible lol
OK, so... fun facts about Game Boy:

It was absolutely not a success through its entire 12 years. Between FY1993 and FY1995, it was actually progressing towards its own demise, selling just ~1mil hardware units a year in Japan.
It took the double-whammy of a hardware revision that made the platform better in every conceivable way AND a surprise worldwide mega-phenomenon to fully resuscitate the Game Boy and give it a whole second wind. The platform sold FAR more hardware and sold far better in the back half of its 12 year life than in the first 7 years.

Since I don't think Nintendo's got another brand new Pokemon-esque mega-phenomenon in its back pocket to keep hardware demand constantly high, it's gotta plan accordingly.
Of course, Macronix's 192-layer 3D NAND also seems to be targeted at Nintendo.
Yet more NAND sampling from Macronix to fuel speculation. This is... what, the 4th time in the past 4 years I've read a similar story?
 
I think it is going to be Q1 FY24. So I expect an April/May release. This gives Nintendo still the holiday for the current Switch, but then next years FY 23 Q4 will already be lower and will just be lowered. And they can go ham with their new console early 2024.
 
Watching the pendulum swing from '2023, ride or die!' to 'It's 2025, just give in and accept it' has been entertaining.

To be fair, very Zesty Crouton, there were always a number of people who went full pessimistic and just decided upon 2025 because that was the worst option and the safest as possible bet to not get hurt. When that was never going to be a thing.

1. It is far too protracted for a date for new hardware. Even for Nintendo.


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I think it is going to be Q1 FY24. So I expect an April/May release. This gives Nintendo still the holiday for the current Switch, but then next years FY 23 Q4 will already be lower and will just be lowered. And they can go ham with their new console early 2024.


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Will be interesting to see how it runs, hopefully well! But the fact that it's coming at all I thought was worth posting as it's a good sign for what's going to be possible on Switch 2.

 
Will be interesting to see how it runs, hopefully well! But the fact that it's coming at all I thought was worth posting as it's a good sign for what's going to be possible on Switch 2.


What does SD verified actually mean? It's still using Proton?

Anyway the fact that a game a lot of people would consider a demanding current gen exclusive runs on SD is good news for Drake.
 
Of course, Macronix's 192-layer 3D NAND also seems to be targeted at Nintendo.

This is a curious one as, to my knowledge, Nintendo haven't used Macronix's NAND in any of their consoles. They're one of Macronix's biggest customers, but that's for XtraROM used in game cards, and it's not NAND. Looking at teardowns of Switch, 3DS and Wii U, they're all using eMMC from either Samsung or Toshiba (now Kioxia). Macronix doesn't really compete in that market either, as the only eMMC products they have are specialised automotive/industrial parts maxing out at 8GB, and they don't make the UFS which Nintendo will presumably be using in the Switch NG.

My guess is that either the Macronix Chairman is being a bit over-ambitious in expecting that he can leverage their relationship with Nintendo to also start selling them NAND, or he's not talking about Nintendo. Sony's use of a custom SSD setup in the PS5 means they need to buy raw NAND, which is more in Macronix's wheelhouse, if they can compete on price with the major NAND suppliers.

Edit: Actually, there's one unlikely possibility that I'm not considering here, which is that Nintendo would actually have a custom flash controller themselves, and use raw NAND on Switch NG. Not having a separate flash controller chip like Sony, but rather integrating the flash controller onto the SoC like Apple. Apple design their own NVMe flash controllers and integrate them onto their SoCs. There are a few reasons for this (eg removing additional parts they would need to buy or manufacture), but one of the main benefits of this is power efficiency. Most modern NVMe controllers are manufactured on a 12nm process, but Apple's NVMe controllers, by virtue of being on the same die as the rest of the SoC, are manufactured on TSMC 4nm, and will be on 3nm by the end of the year. They also remove the physical PCIe link, which presumably saves some additional power.

So, hypothetically, if Nintendo wanted the most power efficient storage option possible, the Apple style approach of building the controller into the SoC would probably be it. Of course, the problem is that Nvidia have zero experience with flash controllers. Apple spent years building up its expertise in SSD controllers (including spending hundreds of millions on acquisitions), which is a worthwhile investment when they're a hardware company which can use those controllers in almost every device they sell. It's not really worth Nvidia building up that level of expertise from scratch for a single chip, although they could probably license flash controller IP from somewhere. It's also an odd thing for Nintendo and Nvidia to focus on, given UFS is abundant, cheap and should easily hit Nintendo's performance and power consumption requirements. Finally there's no reference to it anywhere in any of the Linux code concerning T239, which I would expect to be the case if they had any additional custom hardware like that (like we saw with the FDE).
 
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It means it starts and "plays". It's the new Nintendo Seal of Quality
I think that would be more what they call "Playable". Deck Verified is one step up, but the difference is more experience than compatibility: no launchers that are awkward to use, no illegibly tiny text, proper gamepad support, things like that.
 
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