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Rumour Paper Mario Thousand Year Door HD in development

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Even if the LinkedIn stuff is nebulous, I really want this to be true. I've never played it before, it's always been one of those on my list.
 
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bellydrum said:
These are the exact kinds of changes they made in the Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga 3DS remake, so.... yeah, they could and likely would.
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Very different situation. Superstar Saga was a full on remake, not a simple HD port.

They aren't going to reset all the original characters of ttyd to generic toads just for an HD version. They would never hear the end of it.

Also the M and L series has always been very cautious with modifying nintendo characters. That series relies on original characters far more than it does on modifying toads and the like.

If you change the toads in that game to generic toads, not much changes.

But if you ruin the toads in the paper mario games, half the personality disappears.
 
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No way they’d neuter the character designs.

At that point they may as well change the whole game since Grodus, X-Nauts, the Sirens, Shadow Queen, Hooktail, Punis, Rawk Hawk, and Twilight people don’t fit the “Mario restrictions” either

Literally no point in remastering the game if they’re gonna do that.
 
Phendrift said:
No way they’d neuter the character designs.

At that point they may as well change the whole game since Grodus, X-Nauts, the Sirens, Shadow Queen, Hooktail, Punis, Rawk Hawk, and Twilight people don’t fit the “Mario restrictions” either

Literally no point in remastering the game if they’re gonna do that.
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They’re not going to change any characters or neuter anyone.
 
I don’t know the the site’s policy on insiders, but I’m not sure why this was left to spread without comment when the user in question only joined the site a few months ago and seemingly has no track record.
 
N75 said:
I don’t know the the site’s policy on insiders, but I’m not sure why this was left to spread without comment when the user in question only joined the site a few months ago and seemingly has no track record.
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We actually had a thread all about insiders and what the site should do about them over in R&D.
 
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Ttyd, smash melee, and mother 3 are all games I honestly believe we aren't getting for perhaps decades from now. TTYD remaster would imo be even more surprising then metroid dread existing. For whatever reason nintendo hates this game, so It's a won't believe it until I see it type of thing for me.
 
Tamantayoshi said:
Ttyd, smash melee, and mother 3 are all games I honestly believe we aren't getting for perhaps decades from now. TTYD remaster would imo be even more surprising then metroid dread existing. For whatever reason nintendo hates this game, so It's a won't believe it until I see it type of thing for me.
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Not sure where you’re making up they hate the game. It’s part of the GameCube and Nintendo is at a point in their company’s time where they feel comfortable remastering GC games.
 
Phendrift said:
No way they’d neuter the character designs.

At that point they may as well change the whole game since Grodus, X-Nauts, the Sirens, Shadow Queen, Hooktail, Punis, Rawk Hawk, and Twilight people don’t fit the “Mario restrictions” either

Literally no point in remastering the game if they’re gonna do that.
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All of those characters you mentioned are unique creations that don't touch upon the Mario universe. Unique Toads, Goombas, Piantas, etc... those are a different case.

From my understanding, the IP oversight team is very strict with Mario characters. For example:

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Puni's are characters that only appear in TTYD. They've never appeared in a game prior or since TTYD's release, hence they're unique characters to that game that don't form part of the grander Mario universe (i.e King Olly, Kersti, etc). They're allowed.

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Koopa's, however, are part of the Mario universe. Therefore a design such as Koopie Koo is unacceptable. At most you'd get a Koopa with a wig and make-up, if at all
 
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if true you guys better make this the best selling paper Mario game, unless you want Mario RPG's to stay dead
 
I don’t know. I kind of feel like this is one of those games that’s simply impossible to remake/remaster without keeping a significant degree of the original character designs. I’m sure they’d simplify some stuff, but i’m not really sure how much they can get away with this time.
 
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I just don't want white outlines on the paper characters

Hear my plea, Nintendo/Intelligent Systems/Jesus (happy easter)
 
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Tamantayoshi said:
Ttyd, smash melee, and mother 3 are all games I honestly believe we aren't getting for perhaps decades from now. TTYD remaster would imo be even more surprising then metroid dread existing. For whatever reason nintendo hates this game, so It's a won't believe it until I see it type of thing for me.
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Smash Melee is probably never getting an HD remaster.
The core fanbase of that game won’t play it unless it’s on a CRT with zero-latency controllers. Plus, we have Smash Ultimate, which has nearly every Melee stage and every Melee character.

This is like comparing apples to oranges. TTYD would absolutely be worth re-selling. Melee would not be.
 
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N75 said:
I don’t know the the site’s policy on insiders, but I’m not sure why this was left to spread without comment when the user in question only joined the site a few months ago and seemingly has no track record.
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My uncle works at Nintendo version 2.0
 
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Semajer said:
If this exists please, PLEASE don't have the horrible white outlines on characters that the modern designs have.
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It looks better like this imo. It really looks "paper". :)

The art direction is just so much better in the last Paper Mario games (Color Splash & The Origami King).

But anyway I hope this remaster will happen, because the game on NGC is just too expensive now. And of course it would look better on Switch. I also hope they will fix the really bad level-design and other issues with this game.
 
I'm sure current Nintendo would understand how much changing the characters would piss all of us off....right?
 
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Phendrift said:
Yeah TOK is gorgeous, people just associate the art style negatively because of the games themselves imo. Would love it if they updated TTYD to the modern art style
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Well. I have to admit i’m admittedly not fond of how the characters started moving very choppy-like starting in Sticker Star. Back in TTYD and SPM, the animations were all as smooth as butter because each limb was animated seperately. Not sure if they would maintain that or go with the more choppy style of the modern games for a remake. The white outlines bother me less, although a little minimization would be nice
 
Phendrift said:
Yeah TOK is gorgeous, people just associate the art style negatively because of the games themselves imo. Would love it if they updated TTYD to the modern art style
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I disagree. is too clean and there's no atmospheric perspective (haze as objects get further away - like in BOTW). And the sky is a vivid midday blue throughout the game (bar the desert at night). It's monotonous and saccharine. That's my take anyway.
 
BassForever said:
I'm more worried they'll fuck up the gameplay. An artstyle change is a lot more tolerable then some massive overhaul to combat
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What would be the rationale to do this? None of the remasters have done this. It literally goes against the point of a remaster.
 
Nintendo are frequently faithful to the original gameplay in their remasters, sometimes to a fault. I don't think anybody needs to concern themselves with a hypothetical Paper Mario remaster overhauling the battle system.

If they didn't update Famicom Detective Club's gameplay, they ain't updating Paper Mario's gameplay.
Sunshinemario said:
How would they handle Vivian? In Japan, they are depicted as a transgender character, but the overseas release scrubbed that out. Will they really do that again?
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I sure hope not. Let Vivian be Vivian everywhere and not just in Japan.
 
While I don’t think the remaster will add much to the game I think that if true, sales will show Nintendo that people are interested in that kind of Mario RPG. I think the low sales of the GC gave them the wrong impression on some of their IP.
 
I actually really hate the art style of TOK. It's literally a world made of paper and cardboard. It makes no in-universe sense, and is just "arts and crafts" for the sake of being "arts and crafts." The first two games put so much effort and care into crafting a pop-up book art style. Everything was one unanimous form of "not-in-universe" paper, that allowed the player, barring a few gameplay elements, to suspend their disbelief and assume the story involved the actual Mario and co, and just had a fun art style.

If we get a remaster I just want it to be a straight port with a higher resolution. Don't touch the art style and please God don't touch the gameplay or characters.

Sunshinemario said:
How would they handle Vivian? In Japan, they are depicted as a transgender character, but the overseas release scrubbed that out. Will they really do that again?
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Hopefully they just make her trans in every release. That's what I want. It's literally the only change I want to any of the characters. I mentioned it earlier, but it would definitely create drama online, but it's worth it imo.
 
N75 said:
What would be the rationale to do this? None of the remasters have done this. It literally goes against the point of a remaster.
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I doubt they would as that would cross over into remake territory and I doubt PM is getting the full on remake treatment.
 
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Mango said:
I actually really hate the art style of TOK. It's literally a world made of paper and cardboard. It makes no in-universe sense, and is just "arts and crafts" for the sake of being "arts and crafts." The first two games put so much effort and care into crafting a pop-up book art style. Everything was one unanimous form of "not-in-universe" paper, that allowed the player, barring a few gameplay elements, to suspend their disbelief and assume the story involved the actual Mario and co, and just had a fun art style.

If we get a remaster I just want it to be a straight port with a higher resolution. Don't touch the art style and please God don't touch the gameplay or characters.


Hopefully they just make her trans in every release. That's what I want. It's literally the only change I want to any of the characters. I mentioned it earlier, but it would definitely create drama online, but it's worth it imo.
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Mario is pretty explicitly flat as paper in the first time. You see it when he sleeps at an inn and when he falls he falls like a piece of paper.
 
MisterSpo said:
Nintendo are frequently faithful to the original gameplay in their remasters, sometimes to a fault. I don't think anybody needs to concern themselves with a hypothetical Paper Mario remaster overhauling the battle system.

If they didn't update Famicom Detective Club's gameplay, they ain't updating Paper Mario's gameplay.

I sure hope not. Let Vivian be Vivian everywhere and not just in Japan.
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Yea, but they added the Strobulb gameplay to Luigi’s Mansion as an option. Not the same case at all, i’m aware. But it does show Nintendo is willing to give more recent gameplay options to newer players for them to be able to experience older games.

As for Vivian, my only hitch is that her transgenderism was referred to in a very deragatory manner in the original release, particularly with most of Beldam’s chastisting of her. Not sure how they would handle that, or even touch it.
 
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Tamantayoshi said:
Ttyd, smash melee, and mother 3 are all games I honestly believe we aren't getting for perhaps decades from now. TTYD remaster would imo be even more surprising then metroid dread existing. For whatever reason nintendo hates this game, so It's a won't believe it until I see it type of thing for me.
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Mother 3 is something that won’t appear ever due to music copyright issues. The only chance it has to even release in the west is a complete remake of everything. At that point you may as well make a new game.
 
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I'm not sure about this specific source but i've been saying for awhile that TTYD HD is a logical late-life Switch title. Think Super Paper Mario's initial planned role as a late GameCube stop-gap (it only ended up becoming the Wii's one and only Paper Mario later); just with a fan-favourite port instead.

Given Intelligent Systems have remade three (soon four) Fire Emblem titles, and put out a best-of compilation for WarioWare, it'd only be fair if Paper Mario got a turn and this skewed closer to the remake side of the coin. At least in regards to visuals (white outlines in particular) they're really limited to two possible extremes here (given how TTYD animates characters in a different way to TOK): a very simple remaster that slightly upscales the original assets, or a full recreation of literally everything. Regardless of the outcome I think they are well aware that touching even one Toad NPC design would upset the audience that was asking for a TTYD rerelease in the first place; definitely don't expect any major overhauls to the core gamplay by that same logic (addressing the most egreious backtracking segments though, I absolutely foresee adjustments).

It's not like 64 and TTYD had no paper elements to them anyway. Houses pop-up when you enter them, Mario lightly floats like paper in a few instances in 64, TTYD has the curses; and even if you want to pretend the latter framing makes it okay in-universe, then I want the in-universe explaination for this:




As for Vivian, well, naturally I hope all localisations won't shy away from depicting her as trans. I just hope they all have more tact than most of the original scripts did, including the original Japanese version. Beldam not being accepting of her is fine; that's the point, because she's a villain and you aren't supposed to like her. There are "neutral" sources like the party menu description and Goombella's tattle that obnoxiously go for "she's actually a boy!" descriptions though; and that should all go away. Out of the original localisations Itallian handled it the best, but you can still do better, and they hopefully should do better now.
 
Sunshinemario said:
How would they handle Vivian? In Japan, they are depicted as a transgender character, but the overseas release scrubbed that out. Will they really do that again?
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Wasn't it just censored in the US ? Pretty sure Vivian is trans in Europe too.
Or at the very least definitely implied because 9 years old me with not a single idea of the concept of transgender back in 2004 definitely interpreted it as "they used to be men"
 
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I'm not expecting any changes to the game tbh. I expect it'll be a fairly simple resolution boost and that's about it. No changing characters or streamlining gameplay or whatever. Nintendo can make seemingly strange decisions sometimes but they're not stupid. They're not gonna mess this up, if the rumour ends up being true.
 
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Dark Cloud said:
I swear I’m tired of this crap. Why are some of you talking like this. My god it’s a remaster. Nobody is changing the characters or gameplay of all things.
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Guaraná said:
did they fuck up Prime HD? Mario Galaxy? 3D World?

no.

them why this nonsense?
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I don't expect them to mess it up, my point was more in a vacuum I'm usually less worried about a remaster/remake messing with the graphics as I am a remaster messing with the gameplay. Examples of remasters/remake that imo made the gameplay worse include Majora's Mask 3D, TMNT Re-Shelled, Tony Hawk HD, and Crystal Chronicles Remaster to name a few.
 
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Sunshinemario said:
Smash Melee is probably never getting an HD remaster.
The core fanbase of that game won’t play it unless it’s on a CRT with zero-latency controllers. Plus, we have Smash Ultimate, which has nearly every Melee stage and every Melee character.

This is like comparing apples to oranges. TTYD would absolutely be worth re-selling. Melee would not be.
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I wonder if with the rumored Switch 2 power, we could have a CRT-like experience for Melee. As someone who still competes at Melee tournaments it would be cool to have more options (some tournaments have adapters for monitors but most use CRTs, and CRTs can be very heavy)

Maybe I should ask this on the Switch 2 thread 👀
 
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Chie said:
Mario is pretty explicitly flat as paper in the first time. You see it when he sleeps at an inn and when he falls he falls like a piece of paper.
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There's a difference between the games having visual gags centered around the characters being made of paper and everything being made of some form of paper or cardboard and fighting a pair of scissors or tape or giant paper mache Mario enemies that the game explicitly calls out as being made of paper mache. It's a matter of nuance.

Like it only requires a few things be changed to make PM64 or TTYD involve the main Mario cast, while something like TOK is impossible to involve the main cast.
 
Mr Doggo said:
I cant wait to see all the ways this is going to suck. Maybe all npcs will become toad, and the shadow queen will be actually be the "glitter queen"
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Do Paper Mario fans just live in a constant state of paranoia or what?

A remaster of TTYD would not strip the game of its characters just because they don't allegedly conform to the modern IP rules. There's such a thing as being grandfathered in.
 
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