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Rumour Nintendo might not have a major Switch title after Zelda as they prepare to move on to new hardware

yeah right, This guy is about to be embarrassed when they release Pokémon Colosseum AAA remake on my birthday in June.

20 million copies sold easyyyyyyyyyy
 
Ahmed said:
I mean it's plausible. Nintendo is too unpredictable, so it's very hard to say for sure what is coming next.

I personally am still expecting something 3D Mario related, it's been over 5 years since Odyssey. Otherwise, I don't know if there are many other big first party games coming soonish.

I doubt we'll get a new game in these series:
  • Zelda
  • Xenoblade
  • Fire Emblem
  • Mario Kart (DLC is still ongoing and MK8 is for eternity)
  • Smash
  • Splatoon
  • Mario Party
  • Luigi's Mansion (I don't think Next Level will have anything coming soon. Mario Strikers released soon after LM3, but that didn't have much content)
  • Mario Sports (I should say anything from Camelot, though I think they are likely a few years into developing their next game, just not something coming in the next 12-18 months)


I still believe Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War remake is still on the table. There is also still Pikmin, but that's not really a big IP.
There is always a new Pokémon game coming out, but for 2023 I think (and really hope) all they'll do is DLC for SV.
And the further along we go without a hint of Metroid Prime 4, the more I believe they'll just have it be a cross-gen game. I don't know why, but I'd be surprised if it comes out by the end of 2023.

I also don't get why people get so offended and almost hostile whenever anyone says they doubt we'll get many big releases soon. This time last year lots of people were so sure this year would be 2017 part 2, but it's not. Neither will be 2023.
Lots of stuff got delayed or shuffled around. Apparently even a new Switch hardware. Again, everything is possible, nothing is likely.
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3D Mario is probably the most likely candidate to launch the Switch 2. It's a big crowd pleaser like Zelda and can easily push visuals to take advantage of the hardware.
 
When just about damn near everything Nintendo has put out on Switch breaks sales records, I find it comical to think that anything outside of Zelda, Mario and Animal Crossing isn’t considered a “major release.”

A lot of people are going to be surprised at those Pikmin 4 sales numbers next year.
 
dyle said:
If that means "no games that will surely sell more than 10 million" then yes that's plausible. I lean towards there being at least 1 title that could sell that much left, whether it's 2D Mario or a Holiday 2024 Pokemon game, but it's hard to guess.
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If a new system wasn't until late 2024 you might get another main Pokemon for Switch in 2025 too. Possible the usual 3 year cycle could be delayed though, after Legends did pretty well.
Another 10 million selling Mario Party in a few years wouldn't be a shock either.
 
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I would feel more confident about Prime 4 being a 2023 game if there wasn't so many rumors about the Metroid Prime 1 remake in the air. I don't see Nintendo releasing two Metroid Prime games in the same year.
 
Whatever. I don't believe him. 2023 is already pretty nice. And we haven't even started yet.

Fire Emblem, Zelda ToTK, Pikmin 4, Advance Wars, Tons of DLC...Metroid Prime 4 will be on Switch for sure too ( or is this considered only AA?)

However, I can imagine that Nintendo will concentrate more on Switch 2 now. The gaps could be filled with a lot of Remasters/ Remakes (and i would be fine with it).

On the other hand, 120+ Million Switches literally call for crossgen games. So i don't worry in the slightest.
 
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Tough thing with rumors like this is that whatever qualifies as a “big” Nintendo game is completely subjective. Does Metroid Prime count as big? What about Donkey Kong? 2D Mario?

All this really tells me is no crazy games like Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros, etc. Which I was already predicting anyway.
 
TurtleRock said:
A lot of people are going to be surprised at those Pikmin 4 sales numbers next year.
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Didn't it do 820k in Japan alone back when it got to nearly 2 million, which it's above now? I can honestly see Pikmin 3 getting to 3 million pretty easily. 4-5 million not out of the question.
 
Truno said:
Nintendo, hurry up and press the "Gamecube Remaster/Remakes" button!

Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Paper Mario TTYD HD 😭
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God please.

Y'all have a Gamecube adapter and no problem reselling a 22 year old controller. Justify a fighter pass 3 for Smash and some multiplayer gamecube releases, and I'm a more than happy camper.

I just wanna see Custom Robo live again, that's all 🥺
 
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Truno said:
Nintendo, hurry up and press the "Gamecube Remaster/Remakes" button!

Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Paper Mario TTYD HD 😭
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IMO, we are probably due for another remaster in 2023. Metroid Prime and FE: Geneology is heavily rumored, but I wouldn't mind seeing something off the wall like Star Fox Adventures :D
 
Do they need a bunch of big games next year if hardware isn't coming with it?
  • Fire Emblem and Pikmin 4 likely have a set number of units they will sell and probably won't be gangbuster. However,
  • Tears of the Kingdom will have a long tail through end of 2023.
Let's keep in mind the goal is to stay profitable, what software can you publish to bank money:
  • Port the remaining Wii U stuff: Xenoblade X, WWTP, maybe Star Fox with good controls, NES Remix pack. Even if you only sell three or four million copies, the work to port won't cost much and those sales will be more profitable.
  • There are rumors of the Metroid Prime remaster, same as above.
  • Drop an ultimate Nintendo Online tier with GBA and Gamecube titles in addition to the others, lock people into the ecosystem and get money for tier upgrades. The emulators are done from what people speculate.
  • DLC for Xenoblade 3 and Splatoon, plus reprint old games with all-in-one a la Pokemon SWSH + DLC and BOTW + DLC they did last year. DLC is likely done or easy to crank out and can drive sales of base game if good enough.
  • Guessing we get some new Pokemon game year, Black/White remakes or an Arceus-style different region.
 
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Tbh, if next year was a majority of HD remasters like Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime and Kid Icarus Uprising along with TotK and Pikmin 4 I’d be happy.
 
ITSMILNER said:
Tbh, if next year was a majority of HD remasters like Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime and Kid Icarus Uprising along with TotK and Pikmin 4 I’d be happy.
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I don't think Nintendo will go that heavy with remasters in one year, especially when the first half is already loaded with new games.

Also, I have a hard time seeing Twilight Princess and Wind Waker getting released the same year as TOTK.
 
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Si, no significant game after Zelda, in May 2023, and they start to talk about new hardware until 2024, to release I suppose late that year.

Are we supposed to expect Nintendo is not going to have another big game for a year or a year and a half? And then games to release exclusive for the new hardware, or even worse, still crossgen games in late 2024?

I’m far from a wise or known guy, but that sounds terrible to me.
 
I'm expecting Kirby to be joined by Advance Wars, Metroid Prime and at least one other re-release. Add on Fire Emblem, Bayonetta Origins, Tears of the Kingdom, and Pikmin 4 as confirmed new releases and you're already at 8 titles for 2023.

I'd guess at Style Savvy, Detective Pikachu and an Animal Crossing spin-off as other new releases, plus a couple of Mario titles from somewhere of some kind.
 
Edit: See, this is what I get for leaving this tab open for quite a while, not seeing and reading the new posts made in the meantime. Jeez. Much of it has been answered already.

I mean, Nintendo having no major titles for Switch remaining doesn't tell us as much as the headlines and tweets suggest, I'd say. Do they consider another potential Pokemon remake to be a major title? I could see that still making its way onto Switch. Then again, it's not by Nintendo, at least not directly -- so, does Nintendo in this case mean EPD? Nintendo as the publisher?

I don't know, I don't think this is a super healthy basis for discussions, at least not with the limited info we've gotten thus far. Maybe I'm missing/have missed something here, though.
 
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There are plenty of big sellers Nintendo can release next year while still holding back some heavy hitters (i.e. Mario Kart, 3D Mario) for Switch 2.

We already know of:

Dated:

Fire Emblem Engage
Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Bayonetta Origins
Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Not Dated:

Metroid Prime 4
Pikmin 4
Detective Pikachu 2
Advance Wars 1 + 2

Potential Other 2023 Releases:

2D Mario
Donkey Kong
Tomodachi Life
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Nintendogs
Rhythm Heaven
Captain Toad II
Kid Icarus Uprising Remaster
Metroid Prime Remaster
Good Feel Title
Grezzo Title
Style Savvy

Nintendo should be just fine software wise in 2023.
 
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bellydrum said:
Simple as that.

No:

  • mainline Mario
  • new Mario Kart
  • new Zelda
  • new Splatoon
  • new Animal Crossing
  • Metroid Prime 4

Still on the table:

  • Metroid Prime 4
  • Pikmin 4
  • Mario spinoffs
  • Pokémon spinoffs
  • Astral Chain 2, for example
  • Splatoon tactics, for example
  • Xenoblade Warriors, for example
  • literally anything third party
  • literally anything else that's not a 10+ million EPD tent pole release

In other words,
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In the mysterious world of Nintendo speculation, Prime 4 is absolutely a major title despite being from a series that's sold 3 million tops

Wait why is Metroid Prime 4 on there twice
 
MisterSpo said:
Honestly I actually kind hate it when it's the phrase 'significant game' because that's often used to exclude large numbers of games that are exciting, interesting and worthwhile.

Like, in this case, Pikmin 4.

I still expect a cross-gen approach for these games because I assume they will be out by the end of 2024.
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Agreed. It is really, really hard for me to picture most major titles being exclusive for the first 2-4 years of the successor. I don't foresee the install base being turned down for new titles this time. I expect a long crossgen period with a Switch 2 akin to an iPhone 2 situation. Iwata-san even likened the NX to the Apple family of systems:

"When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems. Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase.

Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

I take this to be a further benefit of handheld and console teams being integrated, meaning most games will be available for Switch and its successor for as long as that can reasonably be maintained.
 
“If the past 15 or so years in games have taught me anything it is that the path to madness is paved with the bricks of bad Nintendo predictions.” - Matt Piscatella.

I wonder how many HQs we can make with all those bricks lol.

Being serious for once, I've come to realize that when journalist/reviews/media say a "nintendo system sellers" or "big nintendo games" 9/10 times they mean Mario, Zelda or stuff that sells 25+ million. It took 3 entries in Splatoon to make then realize how fast the franchise grew that it has become a tentpole. The game "everyone forgot" in Switch Sports its probably over 7 mill or more at the moment, Kirby at 6 mill and those 2 games came out this year.

I guess they are referring to games that stay in the zeitgeist? Idk, however we don't know their full year yet. They like to release things within months not years (TOTK and MP4 aside). I think once we get the first direct we can then kinda sorta see how many "big" games they have.
 
Literally have no idea who this guy is or what makes him trustworthy. No way to quantify this rumor in a meaningful way.

ekurisona said:
has there even been a peep about odyssey 2?
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No, and at this point I wouldn't expect it. Switch is already very saturated in terms of 3D Mario, so if the next 3D Mario is on a new console, it will probably be designed to show off that console's tech in mind, rather than an iterative sequel.
 
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Magic-Man said:
Why are we acting like Nintendo insiders don't get stuff wrong sometimes? Literally every major insider has a rumor that didn't come true, whether that be Nate or Emily or King Zell or Jeff Grubb.
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Watch the HD bundle be a canned project too. You just never know with these big corporations.
 
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Seems too vague and probably pointless of a thought, a successor could very well launch between the end of 2023 and early 2024, so no, they likely do not have another huge title to release in that span of time, and why would they? They will still likely have other significant enough releases, stuff like Pikmin, Kirby, Fire Emblem, etc will still keep coming for a bit.
 
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We are so insanely overdue for mainline Mario and Donkey Kong titles at this point that I'd just wonder if both those franchises are being given the task of carrying out the Switch successor's launch. (alongside maybe Metroid Prime 4 getting bumped up to a simultaneous launch with new hardware?)
 
Not a single insider has been correct about a lineup of Nintendo games so far out from a release window. Andy Robinson is pretty usually wrong so I'm not even saying "hype at your own risk", I'm outright saying "don't believe this."
 
Nathan Little said:


Another year without a new DK.

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I feel like those three games - new DK, new 2D Mario, new 3D Mario - are going to be slightly spread out and that all three won't necessarily launch in the same year. So I've often assumed one is 2023 and the others 2024. Would be disappointing to have to wait until 2025 for any one of them, I think.

But again, I wouldn't take this information as confirmation right now. The software situation is always at least a little unpredictable and I think the fact a hardware transition is coming up before too long also complicates predictions right now.
 
Dakhil said:
Are the Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD ports still coming?
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I don't think these ever existed. Basically a game of telephone where someone somewhere started a rumor, news sources picked it up and this just kept going on and on. The same with the Metroid Prime Trilogy which was rumored at the beginning of the Switch lifecycle and eventually graduated to just Metroid Prime remaster/remake once people realized that Nintendo had no problem selling Wii remasters for a full $60 a piece.

They won't release any Zelda HD remasters in 2023 with Tears of the Kingdom being in the middle of the year. I would say we likely won't see Twilight Princess HD or Wind Waker HD until 2024+ if ever.
 
I sure this thread has already dismissed this claim for a variety of reasons, but it really makes little sense. Unless this dude’s definition of ‘huge first party’ is strictly Zelda or 3D Mario.

Otherwise he’s implying a one or two year gap of no major software from Zelda (5/23) until presumably late 24/early 25 for the new hardware if they’re only going to start talking about it in 24.
 
MisterSpo said:
I feel like those three games - new DK, new 2D Mario, new 3D Mario - are going to be slightly spread out and that all three won't necessarily launch in the same year. So I've often assumed one is 2023 and the others 2024. Would be disappointing to have to wait until 2025 for any one of them, I think.

But again, I wouldn't take this information as confirmation right now. The software situation is always at least a little unpredictable and I think the fact a hardware transition is coming up before too long also complicates predictions right now.
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I certainly think we could see that happen for the pair of Mario titles at least. Nintendo seems to consciously space apart the big mainline 2D and 3D games by at least a year.

Holiday 2009: NSMB Wii
Spring 2010: Galaxy 2

Holiday 2011: 3D Land
Summer 2012: NSMB2

Holiday 2012: NSMBU
Holiday 2013: 3D World
 
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This is just obvious for everything other than 3D Mario. Was anyone expecting another 3D Zelda, or Splatoon, or mainline Animal Crossing before the next console?
 
MisterSpo said:
Tbh these are exactly the types of games I would expect to be cross-gen and spread out over a couple of years after new hardware is on the market as an easy, cost-effective way of selling software to the massive Switch user base.
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Well if we take the word of some leakers, they alluded to more GC remakes coming out.
 
What "big" games did Nintendo even release in 2022? Splatoon 3? If Pikmin isn't "big" then I doubt Kirby and Xenoblade are so that's only one for this year as well.
 
carlosfilho said:
This headline is just obvious for everything other than 3D Mario. Was anyone expecting another 3D Zelda, or Splatoon, or mainline Animal Crossing before the next console?
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I expect all of them every day. I live in a constant state of disappointment
 
kimbo99 said:
Well if we take the word of some leakers, they alluded to more GC remakes coming out.
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Not really sure what you mean by this.

No offense - but different people said different things. For example, Emily said that Nintendo were considering a wide range of games - including GC and Wii - for remakes and remasters, but didn't specifically say that a bunch of GC games are imminent or anything.

Ports and remasters will simply be a cost effective way of filling out the software schedule as emphasis moves to new hardware. Looking at 3DS's late years (2017 to 2019), the system got a GB remake (Samus Returns), GBA and DS remakes (Mario & Luigi series), and ports from the Wii (Kirby's Epic Yarn), Wii U (Captain Toad) and GC (Luigi's Mansion), as well as an anthology style release (WarioWare Gold).
 
Prediction of key Nintendo titles next fiscal year

Spring (May): Zelda TOTK
We already knew the date, it will have its big blowout in February Direct

Summer (July): 2D Mario
It will have been 4 years after SMM2 was released (+3 years since it stop getting mayor updates), its more than enough to develop a brand new 2D Mario title. By July, it also coincides with home release of Mario movie. It can be February Direct opener game.

Fall (October): Pikmin 4
They didn’t show anything regarding Pikmin 4 and Pikmin 3 DX was released late october, why not repeat the pattern? Full revealed at E3

Winter (March): Kid Icarus Uprising Ultimate
My bet is that KIU is getting a heavy lift remaster treatment with lots of QoL improvements and more content. It will have heavy marketing push by nintendo. Announced at September Direct.

Other titles:
  • A Kirby game its always released each FY. Can it be Triple DX? My expectation would be a winter title, announced at september direct
  • Non-enthusiastic games: It can be anything, Everybody’s 1 2 Switch, Tomadochi, Style Saavy, etc. We will surely see 1 or 2
  • Gamecube/Wii remasters: Metroid Prime 1, F-Zero GX + more we don’t know. They are easy filler titles.
  • Pokémon Spin-Off: A year without a new mainline entry is a good candidate to release a new spin-off console game like mystery dungeon, or idk, ranger revival?

But as I said in other thread, you will be fine guys, don’t worry.
 
It’s difficult to imagine none of the three EPD 2D/3D Action Game projects surfacing next year after so long; 2D Mario isn’t the type of title I could see them sitting on for new hardware.

My definition of major differs greatly from what is clearly being applied here anyway, so I think no matter what i’ll be good.

LoneRanger said:
They didn’t show anything regarding Pikmin 4 and Pikmin 3 DX was released late october, why not repeat the pattern? Full revealed at E3
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Pikmin 3 Deluxe was (internally) delayed for fill in the Q4 that 3D World + Bowser’s Fury was pushed out of; so I don’t think they’d intentionally repeat the October timing if they can help it.

LoneRanger said:
Pokémon Spin-Off: A year without a new mainline entry is a good candidate to release a new spin-off console game like mystery dungeon, or idk, ranger revival?
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We know Creatures are currently working on two spin-offs but I have to imagine Detective Pikachu 2 would show up before whatever the other one is.

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He changed the wording since to remove the implication of Detective Pikachu 2 releasing soon (now “in development” instead of “nearing release”), but you can’t unsee what you’ve already seen!

Tbone5189 said:
I find it funny how metroid prime 4 isn't considered when the game is gonna sell over 10mil units
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It’d be a miracle for Metroid to get to half of that; and it’s not launching in 2023 anyway. 5m would be a really impressive milestone for a series that just passed 3m for the first time earlier this year with Dread.
 
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