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StarTopic Xeno Series Community |ST|

Brewster123 said:
Yeah, if you have a copy of Xenosaga III and played the first two, then there's really no reason for you to not play it. Usually, the main barriers to entry are time (The first two episodes aren't terribly long, but it still takes some time) and cost (the disks can cost quite a bit these days). I'm honestly kinda worried Xenogears is going to end up in the same place cost-wise once its PSN release goes down. Anyways, Xenosaga III is really worth playing, so I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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Yeah, I’m probably going to go straight into Xenosaga III after I’m done with Xenoblade DE. SMTV will just have to wait.
 
Nintendo buying the old Xeno IPs out of the blue doesn't really make sense. If Monolith Soft pitched a remake to Nintendo, I could see them considering it.

Dunban said:
Agreed. And honestly it might be for the best. I think X would really benefit from more powerful hardware so they won't have to make any sacrifices to make it run in handheld mode and can boost the resolution for docked players
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The majority of Wii U ports on the Switch already run with no compromises in handheld mode and an increased resolution when docked; the only exceptions I'm aware of are Tropical Freeze (648p handheld, still boosted to 1080p docked) and Pikmin 3 Deluxe (no improvement from 720p when docked, down to 576p in handheld).

Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Captain Toad, New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, and Super Mario 3D World all retain their Wii U resolution of 720p in handheld and go to 1080p docked (dynamic in 3D World's case). Bayonetta 2 curiously is 720p in both modes with just the performance differing, but even handheld outperforms the Wii U release.

All that to say the Switch in handheld mode appears capable of matching the Wii U most of the time. But... Monolith Soft doesn't really do straight ports, so they might appreciate extra power anyway.
 
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Maybe with more powerful hardware, Monolith could make it so the cars and skells in N.L.A have collision... Being serious, I think they (or a studio like Tantalus who has experience porting Xenoblade games) could do a fine job bringing the game to Switch as is. The main thing I'd be interested in with a X port is how they could add content and improve the game (fixing the text size problem, making more intuitive tutorial screens, resolving some of the hanging plot-threads, etc). X had a lot of potential and I really respect how Monolith was willing to experiment while making it, but there are certainly some rough areas that could use polishing.
 
Brewster123 said:
Maybe with more powerful hardware, Monolith could make it so the cars and skells in N.L.A have collision... Being serious, I think they (or a studio like Tantalus who has experience porting Xenoblade games) could do a fine job bringing the game to Switch as is. The main thing I'd be interested in with a X port is how they could add content and improve the game (fixing the text size problem, making more intuitive tutorial screens, resolving some of the hanging plot-threads, etc). X had a lot of potential and I really respect how Monolith was willing to experiment while making it, but there are certainly some rough areas that could use polishing.
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Fixing the dangling plot threads in X probably goes way beyond the scope of a port/remake. Feels like a good 1/3-1/2 of the game is missing.
 
Pokemaniac said:
Fixing the dangling plot threads in X probably goes way beyond the scope of a port/remake. Feels like a good 1/3-1/2 of the game is missing.
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Yeah it would be ambitious project to do that while maintaining the gameplay loop of X. I was thinking of something smaller in scope that could probably be achieved with a similar amount of effort as Torna.

To me, the main things I want to see resolved are the whole deal with what exactly is Planet Mira and what is the deal with Cross. In particular, I'm not seeking hard answers to either of those plot-threads, but moreso just additional information that we can use to guess at an answer. That would require not as much effort as explicitly filling in all of the gaps.
 
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I played and somewhat enjoyed XBC:DE earlier this year but disliked the auto-on battle system. Xenoblade 2 I actually wanted to play in 2017 but the battle system looks horrific to me.
I don't hate them(I can't. Jrpgs are my favorite genre) but tbh nothing I've seen from them has justified their purchase yet, aside from the development aid they've given to other games in Nintendo.
If they hit me with a Chrono(Trigger/Cross) tier masterpiece however, I'll become their biggest supporter/defender.
Hell, something like Radiant Historia would catapult them to the stratosphere imo.
Eagerly awaiting the day, because I know Nintendo bought them for a reason. They imo just haven't had their Metroid Prime moment, as of yet. It's been moreso Corruption and Tropical Freeze, which while good games, don't hit the legendary level for me.
 
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Great thread Brewster! I’m glad you were able to get around the image issue.
 
Fantastic work on the thread. I do love the Xeno-series.

I've shared my stuff before, but not on this site.

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Vito said:
So is XCX canon to XC1 and XC2?
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As of right now no

is probably the easiest answer, but there are some potential set ups for it to be connected to both in the future and will eventually be cannon. There are a few nods to XC1 in XCX, but nothing that directly connects it.
 
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Vito said:
The rumor for XC3 is
that it will have characters from 1 and 2 so I guess we will find out about X there.
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Takashi Mochizuki (Bloomberg reporter) implied that
a returning character with the letter ‘E’ will be in XC3. Elma is the only notable major character in the entire Xenoblade series whose name begins with an ‘E’.
 
Momo said:
Takashi Mochizuki (Bloomberg reporter) implied that
a returning character with the letter ‘E’ will be in XC3. Elma is the only notable major character in the entire Xenoblade series whose name begins with an ‘E’.
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Watch it be Electra instead.

Vito said:
The rumor for XC3 is
that it will have characters from 1 and 2 so I guess we will find out about X there.
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Hopefully so, I'd love to see the squad from X return.
 
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Help me remember:
Wasn't the world from XB2 confirmed to be Earth? Because it's the ruined leftovers of Klaus' planet from the end of XB1 and in that game it was pretty explicitly identified as Earth during the memory space solar system sequence, right? But then in XBX, Earth got Alderaan'ed.

So how would they bring X characters in on the main numbered series? An alternate Earth where Klaus never did The Experiment™? Or does X take place waaaaaaay in the future of the Earth that's rebuilt by Alrest's Cloud Sea? Or did the experiment make multiple new alternate worlds, some resembling earth (XBX) and some not(XB1)?

I understand a lot of fans would have a hype moment to see Elma join the Bionis/Alrest crew, but to what lengths would we really expect them to stretch the narrative in order to connect X back into the main canon? I think I'd actually prefer X being a separate story/universe/canon and 1, 2, and 3 doing their own big interconnected thing.

And hell, while I'm spitting hot takes I'd also prefer 3 be its own story, world, and characters with a surprise late-game cameo or connection like 2, as opposed to an "Everyone is HERE!" crossover game.
 
chocolate_supra said:
Help me remember:
Wasn't the world from XB2 confirmed to be Earth? Because it's the ruined leftovers of Klaus' planet from the end of XB1 and in that game it was pretty explicitly identified as Earth during the memory space solar system sequence, right? But then in XBX, Earth got Alderaan'ed.

So how would they bring X characters in on the main numbered series? An alternate Earth where Klaus never did The Experiment™? Or does X take place waaaaaaay in the future of the Earth that's rebuilt by Alrest's Cloud Sea? Or did the experiment make multiple new alternate worlds, some resembling earth (XBX) and some not(XB1)?

I understand a lot of fans would have a hype moment to see Elma join the Bionis/Alrest crew, but to what lengths would we really expect them to stretch the narrative in order to connect X back into the main canon? I think I'd actually prefer X being a separate story/universe/canon and 1, 2, and 3 doing their own big interconnected thing.

And hell, while I'm spitting hot takes I'd also prefer 3 be its own story, world, and characters with a surprise late-game cameo or connection like 2, as opposed to an "Everyone is HERE!" crossover game.
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As I understand it, the world from XB2 was explicitly confirmed to be Earth. Thus, their main options for bringing aboard X characters would be to either have universe hoping shenanigans (which isn't out of the question given Ontos/Alvis's actions in XC1 and XC2) or to just have a large time gap between 2 and 3. Another option that's possible is, depending on the lifespan of Elma's species, would be to have her show up before the events of X proper, with 3 then serving as a prequel to X. Ultimately, they'd have to go to some lengths to bring the X crew over without having to handwaive it like they did with XC2's challenge mode.

Personally, I'm not opposed to them making a proper sequel out of XC3, as there is still a lot they can do with these characters, but I'd also be fine with XC3 being its own story. If they do go all out and bring everyone back, I'd kinda like to see them bring back Kos-Mos too and try to pick up where Xenosaga's story ended through Xenoblade, though that's a pipe dream. I just hope they continue to be experimental/ambitious with the Xenoblade series, as if they aren't, I'd just as soon prefer they start a new Xeno subseries.
 
chocolate_supra said:
Help me remember:
Wasn't the world from XB2 confirmed to be Earth? Because it's the ruined leftovers of Klaus' planet from the end of XB1 and in that game it was pretty explicitly identified as Earth during the memory space solar system sequence, right? But then in XBX, Earth got Alderaan'ed.

So how would they bring X characters in on the main numbered series? An alternate Earth where Klaus never did The Experiment™? Or does X take place waaaaaaay in the future of the Earth that's rebuilt by Alrest's Cloud Sea? Or did the experiment make multiple new alternate worlds, some resembling earth (XBX) and some not(XB1)?

I understand a lot of fans would have a hype moment to see Elma join the Bionis/Alrest crew, but to what lengths would we really expect them to stretch the narrative in order to connect X back into the main canon? I think I'd actually prefer X being a separate story/universe/canon and 1, 2, and 3 doing their own big interconnected thing.

And hell, while I'm spitting hot takes I'd also prefer 3 be its own story, world, and characters with a surprise late-game cameo or connection like 2, as opposed to an "Everyone is HERE!" crossover game.
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Xenoblade 2 explicitly established a multiverse that things were scattered into during The Experiment™, so multiple Earths isn't really a problem. That said, there are vague hints that at least Mira might be something from the distant future of Shulk's world from the end of Xenoblade 1.
 
Pokemaniac said:
Xenoblade 2 explicitly established a multiverse that things were scattered into during The Experiment™, so multiple Earths isn't really a problem. That said, there are vague hints that at least Mira might be something from the distant future of Shulk's world from the end of Xenoblade 1.
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I think I missed the hints, unless you're referring to the presence of the telethia? If there are more connections I'd be interested to hear them.
 
chocolate_supra said:
I think I missed the hints, unless you're referring to the presence of the telethia? If there are more connections I'd be interested to hear them.
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Off the top of my head I only remember this right now:
Nopon Tatsu was referring to the humans as Homs at the end of the game
 
Gambit said:
Off the top of my head I only remember this right now:
Nopon Tatsu was referring to the humans as Homs at the end of the game
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OH okay, yeah that'd be a thing.

I'm gonna laugh if XB3 ends up being to the whole Xeno series what Rebuild is to Eva, but in reverse
 
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chocolate_supra said:
I think I missed the hints, unless you're referring to the presence of the telethia? If there are more connections I'd be interested to hear them.
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There are several minor things which may or may not just be flavor, but several fairly blatant hints come from the Nopon and specifically Tatsu. In a cutscene he compares Zu Pharg's size to the "legendary Frontier Village", and in Chapter 12, he very obviously refers to humans as "Hom Hom", which is something other characters even comment on.

Also I might just be imagining this, because I'm not sure I've ever managed to find it again, but I'm pretty sure there was a dialog thing in one of the Nopon caravans that mentioned that the Nopon weren't actually native to Mira.
 
Gambit said:
Off the top of my head I only remember this right now:
Nopon Tatsu was referring to the humans as Homs at the end of the game
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There is also the telethia that went into the portal the Fog King made at the end of Future Connected. If that portal went to Mira, then that Telethia could have become The Endbringer. The dark color of the Fog Beasts is also vaguely evocative of The Tainted from X and could be the imfamous Black Tar the song is named after.
 
Brewster123 said:
There is also the telethia that went into the portal the Fog King made at the end of Future Connected. If that portal went to Mira, then that Telethia could have become The Endbringer. The dark color of the Fog Beasts is also vaguely evocative of The Tainted from X and could be the imfamous Black Tar the song is named after.
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Black Tar kind of feels like it's left over from a draft of the game where the Ghosts don't just disappear from the plot after the opening cutscene.
 
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Excellent work on the OP! And thank you for the reminder that I own a number of these games but have barely played them :(

Point of order though... didn't Monolith Soft initially form after the completion of Chrono Cross?
 
This thread is making me want to pick up and play the Definite Edition so bad. The original Xenoblade is still one of my favorite games and it's been a while since I played it and I'm really interested to see some of the changes along with the new episode thingy I heard about. It's about Melia after all so I assume it's nothing less than top tier content.

Maybe I'll put me in the mood to actually play XB2 one of these days. I know it's a good game but I just never gotten the drive to play it. Plus Nintendo games are so expensive too 💀
 
Dear Diary: Still not Xenoblade X port to Switch, with an included Epilogue cause
God dammit, you dont finish a game in a cliffhanger with 3 fucking new plot points revealed
>: C
 
I've thought about going back to the old Xeno games quite a few times, but one of the reasons I love the Blade series is that it is so forgiving. You don't get trapped in an area underleveled with no way out, you can almost always fast travel somewhere else and level up/complete other quests if needed. Even if it makes zero sense in the plot. That along with the lack of consumable management make the games much more manageable for someone like me who mainly plays for the story/exploration.

I assume Gears and Saga are much less forgiving in that regard? Though it's not like I really have time for other games while I try to get caught up in FFXIV for the new expansion.
 
I'm very sad we'll likely never get a follow-up to XBX, the best Xeno game.
 
Theswweet said:
I'm very sad we'll likely never get a follow-up to XBX, the best Xeno game.
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I wouldn't count that out. The Xeno series pretty much is at the best place it ever was, success-wise. Heck there are Xeno characters is Smash now, TWO! XBX ending with the cliffhanger it pulled, it would be criminal not to follow that.
 
shoptroll said:
Point of order though... didn't Monolith Soft initially form after the completion of Chrono Cross?
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After the development, before the release. IIRC Takahashi was planning for and setting up MonolithSoft for a while before it was officially created, partially because he was waiting for Honne to finish his work at Square on Cross. Once Cross was done and those obligations were met was when Monolith officially formed and several of the Trigger/Gears/Cross staff members jumped ship.
 
I have been a fan since Xenogears. All of their games have some crazy ideas and stories that go places and i appreciate them all the more because of that. I hope one day we will have a game that connects every game, Monolith's Magnum Opus if you will. For the next Xenoblade i hope they will let us control mechs again.
 
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chocolate_supra said:
After the development, before the release. IIRC Takahashi was planning for and setting up MonolithSoft for a while before it was officially created, partially because he was waiting for Honne to finish his work at Square on Cross. Once Cross was done and those obligations were met was when Monolith officially formed and several of the Trigger/Gears/Cross staff members jumped ship.
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They need to channel some of that energy and harness it right now.

Chrono Cross had one of the best stories and clever battles system I've ever played in a jrpg. Gosh, I'm almost angry you clarified this because I legit had no idea that they were involved in making such a masterpiece.
 
Uniomni said:
They need to channel some of that energy and harness it right now.

Chrono Cross had one of the best stories and clever battles system I've ever played in a jrpg. Gosh, I'm almost angry you clarified this because I legit had no idea that they were involved in making such a masterpiece.
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Uniomni said:
We need to go back......

Nintendo needs to ask them if they have it in them to top the prior two Chrono efforts. Or at least match them.

Would automatically catapult the studio to legendary status
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It's not like the whole team jumped ship. Just some of it. And of those who jumped not everyone went to Monolith, some went to other studios or continued to work as freelancers (like Mitsuda or Kato).
 
What surprises me is, I'm pretty sure the battle systems designer from CT/XG also came over to Monolith and is still the head battle systems designer for XB, but... the battle systems are consistently my least favorite things about XB games. So I keep kinda wondering what happened there. 😅

I'm happy that even though Mitsuda is freelance now (actually I dunno if that's what your call it anymore since he literally has his own whole-ass studio) he still tries to stick close to Takahashi. Very happy that he came back into the fold for XB2 and hoping the breadcrumbs leading to him being involved in XB3 are accurate as well.
 
Renmazuo said:
It's not like the whole team jumped ship. Just some of it. And of those who jumped not everyone went to Monolith, some went to other studios or continued to work as freelancers (like Mitsuda or Kato).
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I think I read that some that stayed ended up on the XI team?
 
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Azuran said:
This thread is making me want to pick up and play the Definite Edition so bad. The original Xenoblade is still one of my favorite games and it's been a while since I played it and I'm really interested to see some of the changes along with the new episode thingy I heard about. It's about Melia after all so I assume it's nothing less than top tier content.

Maybe I'll put me in the mood to actually play XB2 one of these days. I know it's a good game but I just never gotten the drive to play it. Plus Nintendo games are so expensive too 💀
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If you really like XC1 and have a switch, then there's no reason (aside from time of course) why you shouldn't pick up Definitive Edition. The updates and changes they made to the presentation are impressive. You can also dive straight into Future Connected if you are only interested in that in the short term.
Dineren said:
I've thought about going back to the old Xeno games quite a few times, but one of the reasons I love the Blade series is that it is so forgiving. You don't get trapped in an area underleveled with no way out, you can almost always fast travel somewhere else and level up/complete other quests if needed. Even if it makes zero sense in the plot. That along with the lack of consumable management make the games much more manageable for someone like me who mainly plays for the story/exploration.

I assume Gears and Saga are much less forgiving in that regard? Though it's not like I really have time for other games while I try to get caught up in FFXIV for the new expansion.
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As a general rule, Saga and espicially Gears are pretty forgiving when it comes to grinding; they also don't have many consumables aside from the usual potions and stuff. I'd say Saga is a bit tougher than gears, but it is also generally easier to grind in Saga due to the point system those games use to control skill progression. Xenosaga 1 in particular is really easy (though admittedly tedious) to grind.
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However big of a Xeno fan you think you are, just remember that you're nothing compared to this woman

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I love Food4Dogs! Not only is she a big Xeno fan, she also has a giant Atelier addiction that makes for some funny videos.
chocolate_supra said:
I'm happy that even though Mitsuda is freelance now (actually I dunno if that's what your call it anymore since he literally has his own whole-ass studio) he still tries to stick close to Takahashi. Very happy that he came back into the fold for XB2 and hoping the breadcrumbs leading to him being involved in XB3 are accurate as well.
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Yeah, I'm glad theyt brought back Mitsuda for Xenoblade. I think his style didn't really work for Xenosaga's setting, but he's perfect for Xenoblade. Fun fact: He actually refused to work on Xenoblade 2 twice, but Takahashi's persistence won out in the end.
 
About Xenoblade 3, I think the idea of characters from 1, 2, and X returning makes sense, not only because of the story potential, but also the marketing potential. By putting different characters from different Xenoblade games into the same game, you can get fans of 1,2 and X to buy the game respectively, who might have passed on the game otherwise.
 
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Pyra and Mythra are finally together in the small Xeno shrine I'm building lol

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Don't want to be a downer, but here is yet another reminder that Soraya Saga has had and continues to have to deal with so much harassment and insulting bs.




I kinda want to make a thread about all the stuff Soraya has had to deal with over the years, but there's a few edits I want to make to this thread first before I start that project.
 
Britta/Food4Dogs posted a video about how she got into gaming. It's a long video but she has a specific section about the Wii U and Xenoblade X

 
I finally got around to putting in some time in XCX. I am six hours in and just finished chapter 3. Gameplay is definitely Xenoblade but holy cow are the cut scenes are long. It seems like a lot of options are about to open up now in Chapter 4 as I was seeing a lot more icons pop up.

Just curious, and I looking at another 70 hour adventure like Xenoblade 1?
 
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