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Discussion Where the hell is 2D Mario??

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Surely we must be getting one soon as the last new one was in 2012, 10 years ago this November.
Why do you think Nintendo has taken a break from making 2D Mario?
 
Mario Maker 2 and New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe are on Switch. For most people the latter is basically a new game, and the former still gets tons of user created stages added every day.
 
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I just can't believe they teased us with a new 2D mario game in the form of Mario 3D World in Mario Maker 2.

Release the NSMB-3DWorld game you cowards
 
We had the Maker sub series on Wii U, 3DS and Switch from the same development group as the Bros series (EPD 10) across 2015 to 2019.

The next 2D Mario was likely behind the hiring call for EPD in Kyoto in October 2019. Given how regularly the series has appeared, I think it has a decent shot at 2023.
 
Hope they go back to the drawing board. Series has felt like it was made with a kitset for a long time (because it has been, pretty much). Like, it's been obstinately against innovation - and it's usually been rewarded for it.
 
The biggest plot twist in history of EPD would be that the 2D game EPD Tokyo is working on will be 2D Mario game, just to show EPD 10 how to do it for right. The rumored DK game never existed. EPD 10 next game is Pikmin 4.
 
LukasManak22 said:
Biggest plot twist in history of EPD would be that the 2D game EPD Tokyo is working on will be 2D Mario game, just to show EPD 10 how to do it for right. The rumored DK game never existed. EPD 10 next game is Pikmin 4.
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EPD hiring calls:

  • October 2019, 2D Action Game (Kyoto)
  • October 2019, 3D Action Game (Tokyo)
  • August 2020, 2D Action Game (Tokyo)
  • February 2021, Splatoon 3 (Kyoto)

Given the gap between the hiring calls, there are likely two different 2D games. It's not out of the question that 2D Mario went to Tokyo; perhaps Nintendo decided EPD 8 and 1-Up in Tokyo, as well as NST in the States, are the development group for the two mainline Super Mario series. But right now safest bet is 2D Mario is still in Kyoto and that the 2D Tokyo game is something else.
 
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MisterSpo said:
EPD hiring calls:

  • October 2019, 2D Action Game (Kyoto)
  • October 2019, 3D Action Game (Tokyo)
  • August 2020, 2D Action Game (Kyoto)
  • February 2021, Splatoon 3 (Kyoto)

Given the gap between the hiring calls, there are likely two different 2D games. It's not out of the question that 2D Mario went to Tokyo; perhaps Nintendo decided EPD 8 and 1-Up in Tokyo, as well as NST in the States, are the development group for the two mainline Super Mario series. But right now safest bet is 2D Mario is still in Kyoto and that the 2D Tokyo game is something else.
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2D Tokyo will be Hey! Pikmin 2
 
New 2D Mario or Donkey Kong game is atop my wishlist from EPD.

Hoping for the best next year.. both DK and Mario maybe? ;>
 
Nintendo counting Maker as separate to the mainline series doesn't change the fact that both series come from the same development leads and are the responsibility of the same part of Nintendo's internal division.

That's "where the hell 2D Mario is": Nintendo don't have the resources to make new mainline entries and Maker at the same time, so Maker temporarily supplanted the mainline series. Like "where the hell is new 2D Zelda", it's a bandwidth issue at EPD. The next 2D Mario has likely been in production since late 2019, given the hiring call at Kyoto came only 4 months after Maker 2's release. We did have the reports from Imran at the time that Nintendo were a little disappointed with Maker 2's sales and decided to drop support for the game so that EPD resources could move to other games.
 
Nintendo mixed up the 2D formula with Run and the Maker games, and while they're not traditional 2D Mario games, they are still mainline Super Mario games. Meanwhile NSMBU Deluxe is selling well, there's plenty of Mario on Switch already with at least one release a year...I can see Nintendo not viewing a new 2D Mario game as a big priority right now compared to other projects.

...or, I dunno, they'll release a new 2D game around the time of the movie or something for that cross promotion action and save a 3D game for 2024 or something? We don't really have much to go by besides loose speculation here.
 
They probably view nsmbu deluxe as new enough so they haven't had to prioritise it. 10 years isn't that long either tbf, wasn't it like 14 before the original nsmb came out? Maybe they'll push it to 15 years this time haha.
 
It's interesting that Splatoon 3 probably entered full development sometime in 2019 and it's still coming even before new 2D Mario is even announced.
 
I want to see the cape feather 🪶 come back. It actually made you feel super. I want to fly again and run up walls then come crashing down and cause a quake to take out enemies.

The cat bell sort of did this with the wall climbing and dive but there's nothing like the cape 😔
 
Nathan Little said:
If true, we should change the topic to "Where the hell is Donkey Kong?"

New 2D Mario is coming. I'm interested to see if they'll keep the New moniker or if they'll try to distance themselves from that.
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Why would they distance themselves from a series that is full of successful and well received games? NSMB DS and Wii sold over 30 million copies, each. NSMBU and Deluxe combined has sold over 20 million units. All 3 of them both original release and rerelease have an 80 or higher on metacritic. Even the worst reviewed and worst selling game (nsmb2 on 3ds) still has a 78 average and sold 13 million copies.
 
BassForever said:
Why would they distance themselves from a series that is full of successful and well received games? NSMB DS and Wii sold over 30 million copies, each. NSMBU and Deluxe combined has sold over 20 million units. All 3 of them both original release and rerelease have an 80 or higher on metacritic. Even the worst reviewed and worst selling game (nsmb2 on 3ds) still has a 78 average and sold 13 million copies.
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I guess to shake things up. I mean, they are still part of the Super Mario Bros. series. These games would sell regardless if it had New in the title.
 
EddyZacianLand said:
According to Kinda Funny, Nintendo considers Mario Maker a different thing to 2D Mario, so the last one was 2012.
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Even if they don’t consider it the same thing is still made by the same team Mario Maker existing means 2D Mario has lower chances of getting a new entry (and vice versa once Nintendo makes a new 2D Mario and Mario Maker gets neglected)
 
Blue Monty said:
Even if they don’t consider it the same thing is still made by the same team Mario Maker existing means 2D Mario has lower chances of getting a new entry (and vice versa once Nintendo makes a new 2D Mario and Mario Maker gets neglected)
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I don't think there will be another Mario Maker after the sales of SMM2
 
I don’t think a new 2D Mario will reuse the NSMB branding, it will be something new. NSMBUDX’s sales, while great on paper, are a big drop off from DS and Wii so they will probably rebrand it.
 
EddyZacianLand said:
I don't think there will be another Mario Maker after the sales of SMM2
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Not on Switch, but people really need to get some perspective on how that game sold. It's still a safer bet than the vast majority of Nintendo's IP. There's also a pretty dedicated streaming community for it that constantly promotes it.

It's just harder to justify a sequel for on the same system.
 
Mekanos said:
I don’t think a new 2D Mario will reuse the NSMB branding, it will be something new. NSMBUDX’s sales, while great on paper, are a big drop off from DS and Wii so they will probably rebrand it.
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NSMBUDX (good lord that abbreviation) was a port that launched in January, so I don't think it's fair to compare them.
 
What are the odds of it releasing next year? Besides the "alongside the movie" which maybe just happened after the delay and the game was always supposed to come in 2023, but as it can release alongside the movie, great, there's the fact that it will be plenty of time from the late 2019 hiring calls(also more time than what MM2 got probably and that one had some ambition).

Full 2.5D like the side scrolling areas/levels of Galaxy 2/3D World is what I'm expecting.
And it'll be GOAT.
 
Magic-Man said:
NSMBUDX (good lord that abbreviation) was a port that launched in January, so I don't think it's fair to compare them.
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I don’t think the release date is the reason for the sales disparity. Lifetimes sales will likely be half that of DS/Wii, despite games like Mario Kart 8 DX, also a port, outselling every Mario Kart game in history.
 
beaglor said:
Hope they go back to the drawing board. Series has felt like it was made with a kitset for a long time (because it has been, pretty much). Like, it's been obstinately against innovation - and it's usually been rewarded for it.
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as highlighted in this thread, it's the same team that worked on the Mario Maker games - which it seems are so innovative that people can't even recognize it as "2D Mario", so lesson learned they need to go back to template I guess
 
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MisterSpo said:
Nintendo counting Maker as separate to the mainline series doesn't change the fact that both series come from the same development leads and are the responsibility of the same part of Nintendo's internal division.

That's "where the hell 2D Mario is": Nintendo don't have the resources to make new mainline entries and Maker at the same time, so Maker temporarily supplanted the mainline series. Like "where the hell is new 2D Zelda", it's a bandwidth issue at EPD. The next 2D Mario has likely been in production since late 2019, given the hiring call at Kyoto came only 4 months after Maker 2's release. We did have the reports from Imran at the time that Nintendo were a little disappointed with Maker 2's sales and decided to drop support for the game so that EPD resources could move to other games.
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I’ve never really bought into that report that sales was the reason they stopped . My guess is bandwidth issues in general caused them to drop early, same reason why AC didn’t get more. If Nintendo wants to support these games long term then they should probably start making a dedicated team for gaas asset creation.
 
Ketwick9844 said:
Guys, there is an admittedly small part of me that thinks that the Maker series IS the 2D Mario going forward.
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IMO the comparative sales of the SMB and SMM series suggests SMB will be back at some point. Too much sales potential there to shelve it for too long.
 
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