Beard
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I'm not totally convinced those who are ok with piracy wouldn't just pirate these games regardless. I don't think NSO even factors into the equation for the vast majority of these people.
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StarTopic Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack |ST| New 2024 Poll Up
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I'm not expecting anything past N64/DS to ever be part of NSO. After that, the model starts to break down a bit and other approaches would probably be better.
Beard
Bob-omb
I don't think we'll ever see DC, GCN, Wii, etc. on a service like this. Nintendo and its partners can easily charge $20, $30, and even more for those games individually.
Apopheniac
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Yes, which is why these games are seen as lower value than they've been before
Beard
Bob-omb
They definitely aren't seen as lower value to the general audience. Pirates have always placed near zero value in software. This is nothing new. You've been able to easily steal video games for decades now.
Ryosuke
Akagi RedSuns
Honestly, I wish they did that, would rather pick one that I like than have to sub for dozens that I don't care about. But I'm not so sure anymore.
I would rather just buy the roms or ports but everything is going full service or subscription so who knows. I want to be wrong though.
crepuscule
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Given that they charged £9 for DS games on Wii U VC I would certainly hope they don't have the audacity to ever charge $20 for them lol.
Apopheniac
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I think you're underestimating the extent to which smartphones have extended the audience for piracy beyond people who would consider themselves to be pirates.
Beard
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Yeah, I'm not referring to DS games here. I could see those being a part of the subscription service. Stuff like Dreamcast, GameCube, Wii, etc. I'd be really surprised if those were a part of NSO anytime in the near term.
crepuscule
Bob-omb
Oh shit. I misread DC as DS lol, sorry.
rokero
Octorok
This is what I'm thinking and if that's the case I'm in, I don't usually buy a lot of DLC for example I missed out on physical copy of torna when it was released and have been holding off on buying the DLC in hopes I'll fin a physical copy at a fair price or that said DLC goes on sale( never happening apparently) now maybe there's is hope that Nintendo adds the DLC on NSO
Beard
Bob-omb
And again, the vast majority of those folks would have never been in the market for NSO. It has very little to do with the value of Nintendo software being devalued over time. The amount of people who were interested in NSO before today, but have now decided to pirate these games on their smartphone instead, is almost certainly very, very limited. Do I think Nintendo needs to do better and do I believe they have an opportunity to expand the audience of people willing to pay for a subscription service? Absolutely. But I still don't believe the ability to pirate software has a significant impact on Nintendo's decision making and I don't believe it has a significant impact on consumer decision making regarding these types of services. But we'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this!
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I still think it's likely since the major price blocker is licensing
Beard
Bob-omb
It's easy to complain about it, but I really do think the base NSO plan is a good value at $20 for what you're getting. I don't see Nintendo adding any new platforms to it. Adding GB to the Expansion Pack makes a lot more business sense imo.
Mekanos
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It’s pretty lame if Genesis games are the reason behind the price jump given that you can play those in a multitude of ways already on Switch. I’d prefer they went with Game Boy or something instead.
I was excited when this was announced at first but I haven’t played AC in over a year so no interest in the DLC. I love the N64 but I’ve played those games to death and a 30 dollar upgrade isn’t worth it. If in like a year they add a steady rollout of titles then I’ll reconsider, or if they give you a discount on other DLC.
Hey Nintendo maybe those of us who bought both Fighters Passes should get a discount…just saying!
I was excited when this was announced at first but I haven’t played AC in over a year so no interest in the DLC. I love the N64 but I’ve played those games to death and a 30 dollar upgrade isn’t worth it. If in like a year they add a steady rollout of titles then I’ll reconsider, or if they give you a discount on other DLC.
Hey Nintendo maybe those of us who bought both Fighters Passes should get a discount…just saying!
Mr.Gamerson
Octorok
If Nintendo doesn't get the numbers they are satisfied with they will either lower the price or add stuff to it until it satisfies their expectation.
I can see them adding:
-More Legacy systems (GBA, GB, etc)
-More Expansions (Smash, Hyrule Warriors, etc)
-Indie games
-Older Nintendo first party Switch games
-More Nintendo Online Switch Exclusive Originals like Tetris 99
I expect when next-gen when comes around the base service will finally get things like party chat, achievements, miiverse, etc.
In a year or Two the service will likely be worth it to enough people.
As for me, it is not worth it currently, but I won't be surprised if it ends being that way eventually, which is when i will try it.
I can wait just as long as you Nintendo.
I can see them adding:
-More Legacy systems (GBA, GB, etc)
-More Expansions (Smash, Hyrule Warriors, etc)
-Indie games
-Older Nintendo first party Switch games
-More Nintendo Online Switch Exclusive Originals like Tetris 99
I expect when next-gen when comes around the base service will finally get things like party chat, achievements, miiverse, etc.
In a year or Two the service will likely be worth it to enough people.
As for me, it is not worth it currently, but I won't be surprised if it ends being that way eventually, which is when i will try it.
I can wait just as long as you Nintendo.
Dark Cloud
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I can see only select games dlc coming, but not all.
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Emily said on her Twitter that Sega is not the only third party associated with this, she mentioned CAPCOM, that’s why the huge price increase, they have to pay them too.
ChaosSaga
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I feel nintendo published DLCs could be added going forward.
I don't see Monster Hunter, but BotW2, SPlatoon 3 etc, I think will be there even if it's time limited.
Beard
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Almost no chance. I think Nintendo wanted a $50 tier and they added the AC DLC in an attempt to make the cost seem reasonable enough.
My prediction is Nintendo will keep the $20 base plan as-is, continue to add value to the $50 plan, then eventually phase out the base plan within a few years.
Dark Cloud
Warpstar Knight
No. They did this on purpose to add more “value” to the Expansion Pack. It’s a good one considering how huge AC is.
I would have preferred Nintendo use the funds going to Sega to instead bulk out the offerings of their existing platforms:
- Get Mario RPG if Square license is holding that one back
- There are tons of SNES games with multiplayer that, assuming you could license them, would benefit from online multiplayer: Turtles in Time, Mystical Ninja, Mortal Kombat
- Throw Microsoft more money to get the rest of the Rare library and also bring DK64 and Diddy Kong Racing
- Since Square doesn't want to bring the pixel remasters over or port their games, throw them some cash and make the FF games available
Beard
Bob-omb
Pretty much. Most people bought one or two Virtual Console games and were done with it. NSO is monumentally more profitable for Nintendo.
Matplaysgames
Rattata
This is very disappointing to me. I am very conflicted - I really want to play N64 games, especially those with online support but I feel like the price is a bit too high for it. Its too bad that the AC dlc and the genesis is likely a big factor for this pricing as I am not interested in either of those....
Ryosuke
Akagi RedSuns
The price is bullshit, there are no two ways around it. No regional pricing means it is pretty absurd compared to the other companies.
Dark Cloud
Warpstar Knight
That’s why basically every company does subscription nowadays. They wouldn’t be doing it if it didn’t mean more money in the long run.
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You know, I’ve always thought $20 NSO was a steal, just for SNES alone. I’ve replayed SMW on it, Super Metroid before dread, am currently knocking out the DKC games for the first time and SMW2.
I never got the complaints about it at all, $20 a year is literal pennies a month for two entire libraries of classic consoles.
However the complaints about THIS I get.
I never got the complaints about it at all, $20 a year is literal pennies a month for two entire libraries of classic consoles.
However the complaints about THIS I get.
scamander
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You will get a full year starting from the date you decide to upgrade. The discount you receive is depending on the number of days you still have with your current subscription. If you have about 9 months left (like in your example) , you will get roughly a $15 discount.
Sure, but the cost of providing the service is the not only factor in price. The regular NSO plan is the better value as-is; I can't see Nintendo widening the gap further. Adding a largely first party Game Boy service would be a good way for Nintendo to increase the value of the expansion pack without dramatically increasing their costs.
Rare was probably part of it; I think we're getting more than just Banjo.
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Too rich for my blood
lemonfresh
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time to get a second job /s
I don't think that's accurate. Renewing the regular plan in December and upgrading in March should last until December; that's why you're getting a discount in the first place.
With @Mekanos example, for the individual plan, that means $20 in December, then about 3/4 of the remaining $30 in March, so about $22.50 due then. That's roughly a $7.50 discount. For that family plan, it works out to about $11.25 off split however many ways.
Edit: I see now we're looking at this in two different ways. I'm not sure which is correct.
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TurtleRock
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One more thought I have and I think this applies to all of the big three. At some point paying for online service shifted from facilitating an online experience to using it as a gateway to throw content at people. The innovations in online service across PS and Xbox have sorta been stagnant since around 2013, with neither company really innovating in terms of communication and community features. All big three instead have pivoted to using the online sub to give content to people and the carrot on the stick to keep people subbed is by locking people into an ecosystem where game access is lost if you unsub.
I think Nintendo has taken the wrong lessons from charging for an online service. To them, the point of charging seems to be about offering games. They have likely rationalized the price increase because they feel that the increased price justifies the value they see in N64 and Genesis games (and any other platforms they decide to add).
However, the reason why you should charge for an "online" service should be to first and foremost facilitate a smooth and enjoyable online experience, with robust communication features. In other words, I really feel like Nintendo has no interest in providing a good online experience and instead have mostly pivoted to just offering a subscription service for games. This is why it's such a tough pill to swallow paying more money for the service when the online experience is so barebones, and receives no material benefit from the "upgrade."
I think Nintendo has taken the wrong lessons from charging for an online service. To them, the point of charging seems to be about offering games. They have likely rationalized the price increase because they feel that the increased price justifies the value they see in N64 and Genesis games (and any other platforms they decide to add).
However, the reason why you should charge for an "online" service should be to first and foremost facilitate a smooth and enjoyable online experience, with robust communication features. In other words, I really feel like Nintendo has no interest in providing a good online experience and instead have mostly pivoted to just offering a subscription service for games. This is why it's such a tough pill to swallow paying more money for the service when the online experience is so barebones, and receives no material benefit from the "upgrade."
It's this.
scamander
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The way I described it is how it works, when you switch from an individual to a family plan. I don't see, why they would change the process in this scenario, though I could be wrong of course. You get the discount, because you already paid for the base tier. Keep in mind you don't pay an $30 add-on fee, but $50 for a new tier. So it's $50 - $15 = $35 for a whole year starting, when you decide to upgrade with nine months left.
Oh for sure! This was geared more towards when I hear people say even to this day “how much money they’re leaving on the table” for not doing VC anymore and I’ve always said, no they’re not. They’re not making money. Everybody keeps buying Super Mario Brothers 1 - X and Link to the Past and OoT
Look at the Arcade Archives of SMB and how fast that topped the eshop charts. SMB… again lol
This is a no brainer for me. My favorite game (Banjo-Kazooie) will be there eventually.
The positives:
If you are into Animal Crossing this is a easy purchase since any stuff you gain/unlock stays even after your sub lapses, you just cant go back to archipalgo. I imagine I would get everything I want out of in a year. Saves me dropping 25 on the dlc.
Games have resolution boosts which is good, so need to worry about playing 240p/480i games on my bigscreen. I imagine games will have consistent framerates. No i don't expect games to get modded to be 60fps (outside of games that aldready supported that like F-Zero X) but I imagine games will be able to hit their target framerates.
The game selections are good and I expect more good stuff. Nintendo need to be able to sell the expansion on its own merits so I think they will do a good job.
The negatives.
If you don't play Animal Crossing this is a less good offer, since the expansion isn't going to be draw. That makes this a worse offer.
The positives:
If you are into Animal Crossing this is a easy purchase since any stuff you gain/unlock stays even after your sub lapses, you just cant go back to archipalgo. I imagine I would get everything I want out of in a year. Saves me dropping 25 on the dlc.
Games have resolution boosts which is good, so need to worry about playing 240p/480i games on my bigscreen. I imagine games will have consistent framerates. No i don't expect games to get modded to be 60fps (outside of games that aldready supported that like F-Zero X) but I imagine games will be able to hit their target framerates.
The game selections are good and I expect more good stuff. Nintendo need to be able to sell the expansion on its own merits so I think they will do a good job.
The negatives.
If you don't play Animal Crossing this is a less good offer, since the expansion isn't going to be draw. That makes this a worse offer.
Yes, I did further research on this while you wrote this post. I was previously unaware of this process and agree they'll likely carry it over, especially since they're using the same verbiage.
Ryosuke
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I feel like you can say this literally anytime and it'll be true
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OK, now I've looked at the Sterling price rather than the dollar price and actually it seems much more reasonable. £18 to £35 is less than double. It's seems equivalent to charging $38 compared to the base, which is cheeky, but not outlandish compared to my expectations. So it's just the rebel scum that are getting shafted. 
I think I'll return to plan A, which is to get it when Paper Mario is added as I had previously intended.
Though I'm definitely getting HHP so that makes me pause again.
I think I'll return to plan A, which is to get it when Paper Mario is added as I had previously intended.
Though I'm definitely getting HHP so that makes me pause again.
