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StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST31 Apr. 2024| Famicafé Forever

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SammyJ9 said:
I credit growing up on the N64 for giving me framerate antibodies. As a kid I played games like Ocarina at 20FPS, and games like Banjo-Tooie where the framerate slows down to the single digits in some areas - if I can handle that then I am immune to most any framerate problems these days.
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Playing Tooie on Xbox without it dipping to molasses speed FPS is a rather uncanny feeling.
 
ngpdrew said:
I hate to date myself too bad here but I do think a lot of this comes down to the types of games that people grew up with. I think we both survived the N64/PS1 generation and then mostly stuck with console games, so it makes sense that we don't bat an eye at 30 FPS. People who either missed that generation or followed it up by getting into PC games have probably wired themselves to be more aware of performance.
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But see, I have the same issue with movies and tv too. Even when I was a kid if I switched over to a soap opera (which are famously HFR in the States) it immediately looked wrong to me, it was super weird to my eyes. My reaction to seeing BotW modded up to 60fps is the same as when my friends bought tickets to The Hobbit and selected the 48fps HFR showing. It hits that "this looks like a soap opera" switch.

It's probably still just "what we're used to" but what I mean to say is it's not just from the N64/PS1 stuff. I owned neither of those (jumped from SNES/Genesis right to Dreamcast). When I see BotW at 30 my brain goes "hey it's a Ghibli movie but I'm controlling it" but when I see BotW at 60 my brain goes "this is wrong, something is wrong, I don't like this." Yes, that also goes for the official Switch release of Skyward Sword.

I honestly hope 2witch gives us options for that sort of stuff. I've been pretty vocal about not-caring-about-4K but there are games where if the option was between 1080p60 or 4K30, I'd pick 4K30 just to keep that cinematic look. I know Ninty doesn't often give us the option to pick and choose stuff like that, but I can hope. 😅 I am noooooot looking forward to an all-60fps future.
 
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chocolate_supra said:
Okay but FFVI is better than both of them


What sort of jokes would they even make this year?

"We would like to take this moment to announce we've decided to hire back all the staff we fired over the past year! ....April Fools!!"
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chocolate_supra said:
But see, I have the same issue with movies and tv too. Even when I was a kid if I switched over to a soap opera (which are famously HFR in the States) it immediately looked wrong to me, it was super weird to my eyes. My reaction to seeing BotW modded up to 60fps is the same as when my friends bought tickets to The Hobbit and selected the 48fps HFR showing. It hits that "this looks like a soap opera" switch.
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seeing people play those "Mario 64 at 60fps" mods is what does this for me
 
Film looks bad at high frame rate because film is supposed to blur and obscure details. We’re not supposed to see everything that crisp. The same isn’t necessarily true of video games.
 
Mekanos said:
The same isn’t necessarily true of video games
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i mean except for when it is, which isn’t infrequently

some games really want that 60fps. I even tolerate it in some games. on a rare occasion, I’ll even like it.

but really, truly, I think there’s a good case for lower framerates, and I think some things benefit from them — both performance wise and visually. I don’t want everything to be a perfect 60.
 
I'm all in on 60fps, the difference is like night and day to me. I will happily take a graphical hit to get that smoothness.

But really, I think the performance/graphics mode model works well and offers choice, so I hope it sticks around.
 
Suswave said:
i mean except for when it is, which isn’t infrequently

some games really want that 60fps. I even tolerate it in some games. on a rare occasion, I’ll even like it.

but really, truly, I think there’s a good case for lower framerates, and I think some things benefit from them — both performance wise and visually. I don’t want everything to be a perfect 60.
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Sure, that’s why I used the qualifier “necessarily.”
 
Closely related to statements such as "one of the games of all time" is "it's going".

There's a lot of unspoken implication in saying "it's going".
 
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Mekanos said:
Sure, that’s why I used the qualifier “necessarily.”
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true, but I would argue some film is designed for high framerate too — that entrenched motion is just as subjective and intertwined with the history of the medium as it is for videogames.

if anything, why it’s less of an issue for videogame enthusiasts is that it’s been less entrenched — and to a degree more “sloppy” — over the years

plus the cinema arms race is a formality now — the key defining technologies already duked it out a while ago. now it’s fringe elements.

we’re kind of there now with videogames, but dragging out the settle. xbox and sony banked big on an arms race doomed to diminishing returns, and sold enthusiasts on the platform war. most people simply don’t care past HD, and while framerate is keening towards a universal expected 60, I don’t think it was the core necessity for the world at large.

like many things in the current state of the world, we’ve outrun the race and hit an “oh shit” moment that everyone’s trying to still sell anyways. we’re in the wile e coyote zone.

and I don’t think that it’s like… dire. other than it totally is. but I don’t think consumers are going to exactly “stop.”

people are getting the thing because it’s the thing

it’s a bit more exciting for us because there’s a bit more ground that can be made up in the Nintendo sphere. y’know, just to have the option. I think we’re doing pretty great on the whole without.

but… I think we’re on the verge of unrest, and I think everything in the larger industry is aligned for some panic

…i think i got lost in my own response, lmao, I swear I had a point
 
SammyJ9 said:
I credit growing up on the N64 for giving me framerate antibodies. As a kid I played games like Ocarina at 20FPS, and games like Banjo-Tooie where the framerate slows down to the single digits in some areas - if I can handle that then I am immune to most any framerate problems these days.
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Same. Something has to be seriously wrong to set me off
VolcanicDynamo said:
I do have some ideas...

...not specifically N64 related ideas, but ideas regardless. I just need the time to put them all together...
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I mean I’m not sure I’d be up for leading one but I’d be up for helping coming up with the challenges for a NSO N64 event. There’s definitely enough games in the lineup we could do a fun challenge based off that. 1 or 2 a game and of course a bunch of generic ones
 
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ngpdrew said:
Is this ESRB Rating new?

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/hollow-knight-silksong/9n116v0599hb
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From yesterday according to Reddit when it was first noticed

But, to quote the comments section for anyone who laments pulling out the clown wig and make up,

I must not cope. Cope is the mind-killer. Cope is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my cope. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the cope has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
 
Brofield said:
From yesterday according to Reddit when it was first noticed
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it’s not some nothing for us to trip on, it’s like. a meaningful thing.

by all means disregard until there’s a whole-ass release date but it’s legit and from the source

Leth literally posted it, highlighting the new Microsoft Store page, which had the rating already intact. if it’s digital, they’ve submitted IARC. if it’s physical, they’ve been fully approved.

either way, it’s significant motion from an official source. we’re not just guessing this time
 
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Suswave said:
it’s not some nothing for us to trip on, it’s like. a meaningful thing.

by all means disregard until there’s a whole-ass release date but it’s legit and from the source

Leth literally posted it, highlighting the new Microsoft Store page, which had the rating already intact. if it’s digital, they’ve submitted IARC. if it’s physical, they’ve been fully approved.

either way, it’s significant motion from an official source. we’re not just guessing this time
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Maybe at long last I can finally pick up Hollow Knight and see what all the hubbub is about now that the sequel isn't forever stuck in development 😅
 
Brofield said:
Maybe at long last I can finally pick up Hollow Knight and see what all the hubbub is about now that the sequel isn't forever stuck in development 😅
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it was never stuck forever, y’all just threw estimation and knowledge of game dev out the window when it came to this one.

I think we all assumed a lot because it looked great at announcement

and to be fair Nintendo probably should have picked a different phrase than “coming soon”

but there’s been a clear trajectory, and the number of release platforms has tripled / quadrupled since announcement.

that’s a lot for a three-person team!
 
Mekanos said:
I believe it was discovered a day ago and people weren't sure if it was an April Fool's joke or not.
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Brofield said:
From yesterday according to Reddit when it was first noticed

But, to quote the comments section for anyone who laments pulling out the clown wig and make up,

I must not cope. Cope is the mind-killer. Cope is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my cope. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the cope has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Suswave said:
yep, and confirmed

wheels are turning
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Let's

fuckin

gooooooooooo

(only optimism allowed @Brofield )
 
Thank goodness for the US Open Cup, because there's a dearth of sports until 9PM otherwise.
 
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full disclosure

re: silksong… even though I’m excited, and I think shit is shifting towards release…

ratings can basically mean anything, lmao

for instance, Grögol Bonanza already has an ESRB rating through IARC.

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it is not coming out for YEARS

i suspect the Silksong one is a little more meaningful because they haven’t had a listed rating until now. the page was also officially announced by an employee of Team Cherry.

but, ultimately… who knows!
 
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Springtime Jazz 2024

Day 2: “Baseball Theme” Vince Guaraldi Trio



In honor of the new MLB season starting, what better way to get into the season than this classic. Absolutely love when the piano finger work kicks in and the high hat cymbal is going in the background. Personal favorite peanuts baseball sequence is during Arbor Day when Lucy hits the home run and Schroeder owes her a kiss, but she send him packing because she knows there isn’t any meaning to it and it devalues her worth. Lots to learn from the Peanuts kids.
 
chocolate_supra said:
Checking in on @EvilChameleon and @Bulborb, how's them tornado situations going? Yall okay?
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All the chaos has slowly slid down to counties South of mine throughout the day, so yes. It helps to have a local meteorologist who doesn't come on the air with hysterics and instead just says, hey, here's what could happen, here's what we think is gonna happen, the chances aren't 0%, but they certainly aren't super high like they were yesterday, etc.
 
Mr_No_U said:
Rise of the Shadow of the Return of the Vengeance of the Adventure of the Signs of the Zone of the Way of the Age of the Attack of the American of the Ballad of the Beast of the Beyond of the Brotherhood of the Forsaken of the Forgotten of the Collector of the Forbidden of the Kingdom of the Wild of the Curse of the Inferno of the Paradise of the Dead of the Tentacle of the Day of the Deadly of the Deliverance of the Devil of the Vampire of the Empire of the Escape of the Exorcist of the Fall of the Castle of the Arm of the Eye of the Fast of the Paradise of the Final of the Flesh of the Blood of the Four of the Gate of the Portal of the Pearl of the Sphere of the Ghost of the Phantasm of the Giant of the Girl of the King of the Man of the Glory of the Godfather of the Bride of the Good of the Bad of the Ugly of the Graduate of the Great of the Happy of the Hills of the Host of the House of the Hotel of the Human of the
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The titles for these Planet of the Apes movies are getting pretty lengthy.
 
Suswave said:
it’s not some nothing for us to trip on, it’s like. a meaningful thing.

by all means disregard until there’s a whole-ass release date but it’s legit and from the source

Leth literally posted it, highlighting the new Microsoft Store page, which had the rating already intact. if it’s digital, they’ve submitted IARC. if it’s physical, they’ve been fully approved.

either way, it’s significant motion from an official source. we’re not just guessing this time
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My girlfriend is replaying Hollow Knight at the minute and she loves it so much. I’m so excited to see her face when I tell her about this!! She’s gonna eyes widen wave her arms make a squeal fr
 
chocolate_supra said:
Oh boy

RGT85 is weighing in on the Stellar Blade controversy

And yall I cannot believe which side he's on

jk lol I'm not surprised at all
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I’m kinda in the dark on the stellar blade stuff. I’ve not been following a lot of stuff lately

Other news, I found out there’s gonna be a retro gaming convention not far from where I live in July

I just noticed the sad sonic avatar too.
 
chocolate_supra said:
That's a great place to be, trust me


ayyyyyy awesome!! Think you'll try to go?
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Yeah I rather be in the dark

That’s my hope to go. I found out through a new retro gaming channel I found yesterday, makes me want to save a lot of money and try and go and buy as much retro stuff as I can. Sounds like my kind of place. With it being in July means I should have some time to save.
 
theguy said:
i have flipped and i have flopped about my steam deck. i have once again flipped. this thing is friggin cool
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I got a Steam Deck a couple of years ago, same thing, back and forth on it. It doesn't help that I play mostly weird indie stuff on PC, so Steam Deck support isn't guaranteed.

I just set up my PS5 in my office to stream to it, and it's magical. Playing Rebirth in the living room recliner is peak handheld gaming.
 
ammonite said:
My girlfriend is replaying Hollow Knight at the minute and she loves it so much. I’m so excited to see her face when I tell her about this!! She’s gonna eyes widen wave her arms make a squeal fr
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lmao I feel it, i texted my wife the second I saw yesterday

we’re both fervent fans of Hollow Knight and the Team Cherry approach so we’ve been looking forward to it

I’m not gonna like… hold my breath just yet, lmao. but it’s in motion. I’ve been mostly jumping at coincidences as a gag for the past few years… but I think we’re finally getting actually close!
 
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