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ILikeFeet said:
nah, it just runs like doo doo. the demo is even downgraded compared to the original video in some ways if I remember correctly. I would hope they did some work to optimize the HDRP, but Unity is in a very weird state, as a company and as an engine, HDRP-wise
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Oh really? I thought there engine was fine. I did hear there great business practice. I just thought it was just their turn to be an asshole.
 
omniryu said:
Oh really? I thought there engine was fine. I did hear there great business practice. I just thought it was just their turn to be an asshole.
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the engine is fine up until a certain point. there's kinda a reason you still don't see AAA games for it. the HDRP is there for that, but there hasn't been a major game that used it that I can think of.

and nah, it wasn't just their CEO. the whole board is fucked
 
I took a look at Samsung Korea’s press release for the microSD Express cards, and found that it contains a little bit more info than the English version. Key points below (machine translated; may or may not be accurate):
  • Samsung is supplying samples of microSD Express cards to major partners, and developing customized products.
    • Note that both “partners” and “products” are plural, unlike the English version in which “a customer” and “a custom product” were specified.
    • I don’t know if this is a machine translation issue, but three different tools that I tried all translated them as plural.
  • The 256GB card is scheduled to enter mass production this month (March). The product will be available B2B to start, followed by B2C within this year (2024).
    • The English PR, by contrast, only states that the product “will be made available for purchase later this year”
The point about availing the product to B2B customer(s) before the consumer market seems to suggest that a) the card may be co-branded (e.g., the SanDisk Switch cards), or b) the card may be bundled with a host device (e.g., a DJI camera). I wonder what company/product has enough of a volume to justify co-branding or bundling of a brand new removable media format.
 
fwd-bwd said:
I don’t know if this is a machine translation issue, but three different tools that I tried all translated them as plural.
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In Korean, the suffix 들 (deul) is used to denote plural nouns. All mentions of the words "product" (제품) and "customer" (고객) in the article are in the singular form, but that's probably just the style since 들 is rarely used as plurality can usually be determined from context.
 
ILikeFeet said:
the engine is fine up until a certain point. there's kinda a reason you still don't see AAA games for it. the HDRP is there for that, but there hasn't been a major game that used it that I can think of.

and nah, it wasn't just their CEO. the whole board is fucked
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Really? What is going with these big wigs?
 
Melpomene said:
Super Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 are both bad actually, because they're boring.

Just hit me with a brand-new name, regardless of how iterative the console is.
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Does being creative with that really matter? The point isn't to entertain with a unique label, it's just a point of reference until Nintendo goes public with the actual name.
 
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When do developers (especially first party) start making games for the next hardware, like what makes the switch 2 unique is that both handheld and home console will develop the games without the hindrance of the 3ds in the beginning years.

like we know the tegra 239 chip was finished in 2020-2021 like wouldn't that just give developers only 4 years to make switch 2 games, i'm not a game developer so i don't personally know the transition progress of hardware, like do developer just first start making the game on the switch then later transition to the switch 2 by redoing the progress or are they just in board meeting making up ideas.

like it took Sony 2-3 years later until they started only developing ps5 games in mind and not the ps4, heck even Xbox by making halo infinite by having it bound by the Xbox one and it's only recent they started developing only for the series S/X

Like i'm genuinely curious.
 
omniryu said:
Really? What is going with these big wigs?
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the whole thing with the ironForge merger and the horrible monetization changes that when over as well as a lead pipe to the back of small devs' head

Steve said:
When do developers (especially first party) start making games for the next hardware, like what makes the switch 2 unique is that both handheld and home console will develop the games without the hindrance of the 3ds in the beginning years.

like we know the tegra 239 chip was finished in 2020-2021 like wouldn't that just give developers only 4 years to make switch 2 games, i'm not a game developer so i don't personally know the transition progress of hardware, like do developer just first start making the game on the switch then later transition to the switch 2 by redoing the progress or are they just in board meeting making up ideas.

like it took Sony 2-3 years later until they started only developing ps5 games in mind and not the ps4, heck even Xbox by making halo infinite by having it bound by the Xbox one and it's only recent they started developing only for the series S/X

Like i'm genuinely curious.
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as soon as api is usable. NVN can run on windows PCs, so you don't need a dev kit to start on your game. would be the same for NVN2.
 
omniryu said:
Hey hey! It is ok. Come give me a hug 🫂
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Thanks, who know's we might get it early 2025...
Furukawa: It's a me Furukawa and i'm happily announcing the switch 2 will launch in holiday 2025.
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ERezaSwitch said:
May 7

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I've been saying the 7th of May for a while. If the system is indeed dropping in the upcoming fiscal year then that's our latest possible date for an announcement. If they don't say anything by then, then that's cause for some concern (for a lack of a better word).

Mind you, when I say announcement, I mean a press release or tweet acknowledging the system exists and will be released during a particular time window. A full public unveiling is an entirely different matter that can't really be predicted at this point.
 
ILikeFeet said:
he'll only get the info if he promises his games will release on the system
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Sega/atlus once Nintendo launch the switch 2 and releases their games with extra 30 hour content that you have to play through the very beginning of the game and slog through 60 hour of gameplay to get to.
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ERezaSwitch said:
May 7

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This is it, the moment of truth. Do Nintendo mention it because they feel obligated to tell their shareholders about the new hardware that falls on the upcoming fiscal year (ending March 31, 2025), or do they keep it a secret from the shareholders?

Nintendo mentioned Switch (then referred to as "NX") during (close to end of month) April 2016 shareholder meeting, and that it will be released March 2017.

But of course, one can argue it was a different time back then, the Nintendo fanbase was concerned with Nintendo going 3rd party, entering mobile gaming, etc, so Nintendo might have felt more compelled to volunteer more info during the April 2016 shareholder meeting,, nearly a full year before release, and this time around, with success of Switch, Nintendo might be less inclined to volunteer this information to the shareholders.
 
They revealed that the second Mario movie is already under development for a release date. There's nothing else they can use to deflect attention.

...unless they reveal the Zelda movie cast
 
darthdiablo said:
This is it, the moment of truth. Do Nintendo mention it because they feel obligated to tell their shareholders about the new hardware that falls on the upcoming fiscal year (ending March 31, 2025), or do they keep it a secret from the shareholders?

Nintendo mentioned Switch (then referred to as "NX") during (close to end of month) April 2016 shareholder meeting, and that it will be released March 2017.

But of course, one can argue it was a different time back then, the Nintendo fanbase was concerned with Nintendo going 3rd party, entering mobile gaming, etc, so Nintendo might have felt more compelled to volunteer more info during the April 2016 shareholder meeting,, nearly a full year before release, and this time around, with success of Switch, Nintendo might be less inclined to volunteer this information to the shareholders.
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In all honesty they'll need to mention something about new hardware, because i personally don't think shareholder believe Nintendo will just have another year in 2025 of only switch and also no visible first party exclusives for this holiday seasons.
I woulnd't be surprise if Nintendo will say on the line that they're preparing games and switch 2 and i would presume the shareholders are also vividly traumatised from the Wii U and 3ds era and would like to know if it's a souped up machine or an entirely different piece of hardware.
 
ziggyrivers said:
They revealed that the second Mario movie is already under development for a release date. There's nothing else they can use to deflect attention.

...unless they reveal the Zelda movie cast
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my hopes for the zelda movie is so low it's not even funny, i wouldn't be surprised if the movie get numerous delay because of artistic difference. Like making an animated zelda movie, just seems easier and less time consuming (not saying that creating animation is easy)

I'm just saying because how many mid to bad live action movies based on videogames, aninme and cartoons exists and how very few good ones their are, but if Wes bell, Sony and Nintendo are capable of making a genuinely good live action Zelda, it'll be a miracle
 
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darthdiablo said:
This is it, the moment of truth. Do Nintendo mention it because they feel obligated to tell their shareholders about the new hardware that falls on the upcoming fiscal year (ending March 31, 2025), or do they keep it a secret from the shareholders?

Nintendo mentioned Switch (then referred to as "NX") during (close to end of month) April 2016 shareholder meeting, and that it will be released March 2017.

But of course, one can argue it was a different time back then, the Nintendo fanbase was concerned with Nintendo going 3rd party, entering mobile gaming, etc, so Nintendo might have felt more compelled to volunteer more info during the April 2016 shareholder meeting,, nearly a full year before release, and this time around, with success of Switch, Nintendo might be less inclined to volunteer this information to the shareholders.
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inb4 "We expect a financial event to occur in early 2025"
 
Maybe it's not enough news to be worthwhile, but at least it'll bring something new into the cycle of discussing the "name". Some game shops in China have been focusing on discounting physical versions of Switch games lately.

There are two key points in this message, firstly, this is not a holiday or shopping season in China, this promotion is very sudden. Secondly, due to their proximity to the industry chain, these Chinese businessmen are often in a position to hear what is going on.

But again, I need to emphasise that this news doesn't provide any strong evidence for the future.
 
Leviraps said:
Switch Attach would be one of the funniest outcomes ever
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The Switch Attach is a bad name because it makes people think it's an attachment for the Switch people already have. Combined with performance potentially being reduced by an 8nm node leading to less 3rd party games, this will probably be the riskiest launch Nintendo have ever done if they stick with the Attach name imo
 
Steve said:
I. I... I just can't take it no more man. Half a year without no acknowledgement
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I'm pretty sure Nintendo haven't acknowledged the Switch 2 for about 135 years. What's a few more months? 😄


Between GDC happening this month and their investor meeting announcing the next FY forecast in early May, it will be interesting to see if anything happens. For FY17 (ending March 2017), they added an asterisk that their (WiiU/console) hardware forecast included the numbers for the NX, which were to be detailed separately at a later date. For this to happen this time around, however, they would at least have to acknowledge that Switch 2 is indeed coming next FY. Of course, option 2 is that it isn't coming and they don't need to detail anything (except how they plan to keep the Switch system afloat for another year with no succesor on the horizon).
 
Steve said:
When do developers (especially first party) start making games for the next hardware, like what makes the switch 2 unique is that both handheld and home console will develop the games without the hindrance of the 3ds in the beginning years.

like we know the tegra 239 chip was finished in 2020-2021 like wouldn't that just give developers only 4 years to make switch 2 games, i'm not a game developer so i don't personally know the transition progress of hardware, like do developer just first start making the game on the switch then later transition to the switch 2 by redoing the progress or are they just in board meeting making up ideas.

like it took Sony 2-3 years later until they started only developing ps5 games in mind and not the ps4, heck even Xbox by making halo infinite by having it bound by the Xbox one and it's only recent they started developing only for the series S/X

Like i'm genuinely curious.
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TBH, whenever they finish their last product at a time that makes it conducive to move to next gen. For 3D Mario, that seems to have been October 2017, whereas for Zelda, it was 2023. Yet other studios might have a current gen project in full production and a next gen project in pre-production (this is where I think Monolith slots in).

For third parties, it depends on what they want to bring. If they are going to actually put effort in and release current gen games for the system, then they should include the Switch 2 version around the same stage as when they include the other console versions. If they are going to be late for everything again, then they can start development (externally) at any point after release.
 
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Will drake be capable of better framerates than PS4?
We've talked about resolution Etc. and I know this varies per game.
But let's say a game like Persona 3 Reload releases on Switch 2, a game that runs at 30 on PS4. Would if be able to run at 60fps based on what we know?
 
VagrantValmar said:
Will drake be capable of better framerates than PS4?
We've talked about resolution Etc. and I know this varies per game.
But let's say a game like Persona 3 Reload releases on Switch 2, a game that runs at 30 on PS4. Would if be able to run at 60fps based on what we know?
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I dont think theres a yes or no answer. Would depend on the game and budget of the port.

I think a lot of ps4 games can potentially run at 60fps if they're properly optimized.
 
Nintendo has never used a numerical number for a console successor. Will be interesting if this ends up being the first. Super Nintendo Switch is more likely still imo.

VagrantValmar said:
Will drake be capable of better framerates than PS4?
We've talked about resolution Etc. and I know this varies per game.
But let's say a game like Persona 3 Reload releases on Switch 2, a game that runs at 30 on PS4. Would if be able to run at 60fps based on what we know?
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Based on the ball park specs we think from t239, absolutely. GPU could be PS4 pro level in performance, and CPU should beat PS4's Jaguar's by quite a bit.

That doesn't mean every or most PS4 30-40fps games will be automatically be 60fps l on switch 2. it's game dependent and depends on the bottleneck of the game.
 
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