StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)

[Hermii]

So, the power draw we have for Switch 2 are these:

• Portable mode (2TFLOPs): GPU at 660MHz, consuming 4.2w
• Dock standard (3.4TFLOPs): GPU at 1.125GHz, consuming 9w
• Dock boost (4.2TFLOPs): GPU at 1.38ghz, consuming 12w

The original Switch, when play a heavy game, like BotW, the total consume is aroung 7W on portable. The division is more or less that:

• APU: 3w
• Screen: 4w
• others: less than 1w

Switch 2 screen, if is similar to the amazing Rog Ally's Screen, can consume something like 4 - 8w.

So, it's not impossible that Switch 2 can draw somelthing like 10 - 15w on portable mode, what is very close to what steam deck consume. If the battery is the same size than deck, the time on game will be 2.5 hour on heavy games.

That can be the low Nintendo ever done with a battery if they don't put a bigger and more durable battery or use a OLED screen.

So, what can be cheap: LCD with a bigger battery or OLED with a battery closer to what current Switch have?

It's not really specified what those power consumption values mean, but it's very probably they are labels, since there didn't exist an ampere gpu in 2021 that could do those clocks at those watts.

If they are labels, they could just as easily be labels for Drakes total power consumption than for just the gpu. But again, we don't have full context.

 

[Dakhil]

Ps5 and Series X has 2 clusters?

Yes. But the Zen 2 architecture is noticeably different from Armv9-A Cortex-A architecture in the sense that Zen 2 CPUs are designed with chiplets in mind, with each Zen 2 chiplet having 8 CPU cores that are divided into two groups of core complexes (CCXs), with 4 CPU cores per CCX.

Armv9-A Cortex-A CPUs on the other hand are designed with monolithic dies in mind, with the DynamIQ Shared Unit (DSU) (here and here) allowing for 8 or more CPU cores per cluster (e.g. 8 CPU cores per cluster for the Cortex-A710, 12 CPU cores per cluster for the Cortex-A715, etc.).

 

[SnowydayUK]

Has Switch 2 started mass production yet or anything new

 

[Nathair]

So, the power draw we have for Switch 2 are these:

• Portable mode (2TFLOPs): GPU at 660MHz, consuming 4.2w
• Dock standard (3.4TFLOPs): GPU at 1.125GHz, consuming 9w
• Dock boost (4.2TFLOPs): GPU at 1.38ghz, consuming 12w

The original Switch, when play a heavy game, like BotW, the total consume is aroung 7W on portable. The division is more or less that:

• APU: 3w
• Screen: 4w
• others: less than 1w

Switch 2 screen, if is similar to the amazing Rog Ally's Screen, can consume something like 4 - 8w.

So, it's not impossible that Switch 2 can draw somelthing like 10 - 15w on portable mode, what is very close to what steam deck consume. If the battery is the same size than deck, the time on game will be 2.5 hour on heavy games.

That can be the low Nintendo ever done with a battery if they don't put a bigger and more durable battery or use a OLED screen.

So, what can be cheap: LCD with a bigger battery or OLED with a battery closer to what current Switch have?

Real energy consumption is often different from declared energy consumption. In 2017, Anandtech had carried out an interesting test, taking various scenarios into consideration. However, I think it's very possible that the Switch 2's power budget will be bigger.

 

[Truno]

Has Switch 2 started mass production yet or anything new

Nada

 

[Giancarlo]

Has Switch 2 started mass production yet or anything new

not yet, Nintendo will problaby begin the production of Switch sucessor late this year(around septembre/octobre)

 

[bmfrosty]

Real energy consumption is often different from declared energy consumption. In 2017, Anandtech had carried out an interesting test, taking various scenarios into consideration. However, I think it's very possible that the Switch 2's power budget will be bigger.

It would be interesting if battery advancements allow that. I haven't kept up.

 

[Machrider]

They'd probably never do it but I'd love to be able to "attach" two Switch 2's together and double the performance.

 

[TLZ]

Switch Attach?

Has anyone considered that spelling errors are a frequent occurrence?

Maybe it’s called the Switch Attack!!!

Attack meaning it’s going to become self aware, and destroy us all. I, for one, am onboard with our Switch Attack overlords.

Nice. Reminds me of Soundwave's mini-cassette minions, except this time they're mini Switches.

Nintendo were the Decepticons all along.

 

[Gerald]

LPDDR6 Memory To Power Next-Gen Devices: JEDEC To Finalize Standard By Q3 2024

JEDEC is expected to finalize the specifications of the next-gen LPDDR6 memory by the third quarter of 2024.

wccftech.com

 

[Steve]

With everyone talking about a pointless survey (that sadly has no grounds)

Would y’all prefer if the next console is called switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch, SNS for short, also there been evidence of recent Nintendo games having the famicon layout (snes).

And with the switch 3 just call it the ultra switch.

 

[bmfrosty]

With everyone talking about a pointless survey (that sadly has no grounds)

Would y’all prefer if the next console is called switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch, SNS for short, also there been evidence of recent Nintendo games having the famicon layout (snes).

And with the switch 3 just call it the ultra switch.

As much as a love Super Nintendo Switch, Switch 2. It leaves very little ambiguity about what it is. Kind of like Playstation 2.

If Switch 2 is a $399 system, there should be a Home and Lite versions of it at $269 compete on price with the Series S. Eventually a Big version at $499 to bring the price up and make happy the people who want a 10-inch screen or whatever.

 

[Leo]

If ubisoft devs are there expect a picture of the console, full specs, maybe even a video and at least 12 confirmed launch titles

And a leak of Mario + Watchdogs: Mushroom Kingdom Turf Wars

 

[redmutineer75]

They'd probably never do it but I'd love to be able to "attach" two Switch 2's together and double the performance.

We have to go back

 

[Sin & Punishment]

With everyone talking about a pointless survey (that sadly has no grounds)

Would y’all prefer if the next console is called switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch, SNS for short, also there been evidence of recent Nintendo games having the famicon layout (snes).

And with the switch 3 just call it the ultra switch.

Switch 2.

Putting "Super" in the name is a call back that in the grand scheme of things only a very small amount of the userbase will find cute.

 

[MP!]

If they keep the switch branding it's going to be Nintendo "Switch something"
insert descriptor...

Whether that's a 2, or a word like "Ultra" "BIG" or like that weird rumor "Attach" ... "UP" "ON" ... I just don't see Super nintendo switch ever being a reality.
MAYBE Nintendo SUPER switch ... but I don't think so

I half expect the switch name to be replaced with something else at this point

 

[ziggyrivers]

The Switch's successor possibly having colored buttons doesn't automatically disqualify it from being called the Switch 2 or something else that isn't super. We can have a Switch 2 with colored buttons. Or rather:

• Switch 2 Gray/Black with colored buttons SKU;
• Switch 2 red/blue SKU

 

[eye0h]

Putting "Super" in the name is a call back that in the grand scheme of things only a very small amount of the userbase will find cute.

Yeah I see Nintendo based communities who think it's a great Idea but selling these things over the counter and explaining what the difference is would be just that little bit more tedious. It can be the kind've thing that can make a parent go "ok I'm gonna come back" then never come back if you spend too long explaining it. I've seen it happen, I've made it happen .... There isn't much to explain with Switch 2.

Switch 2 is clinical, it sets up the clearest barrier between it and the previous generation. "You don't have this, if you don't buy it you will be left behind". That's kinda what the 2 could mean in the eyes of the average consumer. It's why the PS5 despite having NO GAMES (jk) can sell fairly well. Advanced or Super are also barriers but they're just too vague IMO, 2 is the clearest paywall they can make without abandoning the Switch branding. Could be a huge difference maker.

 

[ziggyrivers]

The Super/Advanced branding should best be left for Pro-ish revisions, assuming Nintendo ever does those

 

[Concernt]

The Super/Advanced branding should best be left for Pro-ish revisions, assuming Nintendo ever does those

I just don't get this logic in a world where Nintendo's use of Super and Advance have been explicit, considerable generational leaps.

Super NES was not a mid-gen refresh, why do we expect people to understand that Super Switch 2 is?

Super NES was a next gen console, why do we expect people to not understand that Super Switch is?

Game Boy Advance sold as fast as any other Nintendo handheld and that wasn't because "Advance" was confusing people into thinking it was a moderately upgraded Game Boy.

Super literally means to be above, advance literally means to move ahead, and people understand these to mean more than iteration.

 

[kvetcha]

I just don't get this logic in a world where Nintendo's use of Super and Advance have been explicit, considerable generational leaps.

Super NES was not a mid-gen refresh, why do we expect people to understand that Super Switch 2 is?

Super NES was a next gen console, why do we expect people to not understand that Super Switch is?

Game Boy Advance sold as fast as any other Nintendo handheld and that wasn't because "Advance" was confusing people into thinking it was a moderately upgraded Gameboy.

Super literally means to be above, advance literally means to move ahead, and people understand these to mean more than iteration.

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[Machrider]

Switch Attach?

To be honest if they went this route and you could daisy chain two Switch 2's together to have higher performance, I'd be buying 2 day one.

 

[dotnetguy]

I just don't get this logic in a world where Nintendo's use of Super and Advance have been explicit, considerable generational leaps.

Super NES was not a mid-gen refresh, why do we expect people to understand that Super Switch 2 is?

Super NES was a next gen console, why do we expect people to not understand that Super Switch is?

Game Boy Advance sold as fast as any other Nintendo handheld and that wasn't because "Advance" was confusing people into thinking it was a moderately upgraded Gameboy.

Super literally means to be above, advance literally means to move ahead, and people understand these to mean more than iteration.

Consumer expectations may well have changed since 20, 30 years ago when GBA/SNES came out. Today, we generally see that major hardware revisions have the number in the name incremented. PS5, iPhone 15, Samsung S23 etc. The bit after the name is often used to denote a variant within that product family e.g Samsung S23/S23+/S23 Ultra (an obvious exception to this is Xbox who have done a complete change of name since last gen)

 

[Concernt]

Consumer expectations may well have changed since 20, 30 years ago

But like, genuinely, has consumer literacy? Super and Advance are fairly unambiguous words!

Today, we generally see that major hardware revisions have the number in the name incremented. PS5, iPhone 15, Samsung S23 etc. The bit after the name is often used to denote a variant within that product family e.g Samsung S23/S23+/S23 Ultra (an obvious exception to this is Xbox who have done a complete change of name since last gen)

But that's... Exactly the opposite?

The suggestion is that "Super" or "Advance" seem like minor iterations while a number, 2, is a clear generational leap.

And you just pointed out how nearly the entire high end handset market right now is numbers denoting minor iterative improvements.

The market has changed, and nobody here has ever denied that.

But how on earth do the changes you're pointing out suggest a number would be preferable when you give examples of them being used strictly for minor iterations? S23 is not a GENERATIONAL LEAP over the 22. The Ultra is barely even the same product line! It's a rebranded Note!

Meanwhile you point out another thing, the "bit after the name" indicates a variation.

Sure, good. 2, for example? I don't see people suggesting it should be called the Nintendo 2 Switch, after all. Meanwhile, suggestions of "Super" almost always put it at the START of the name. Like... iMac, the at the time all new generation of all-in-one Macintosh computer.

I don't think "2" is unlikely, but disregarding "Super", "Advance", "Ultra", etc., for reasons that don't track with actual market conditions, with examples that contradict the intent, I won't lie, I find it very frustrating! It's OK to think sure, 2 is clear, concise, we want it to succeed, we want it to be called "2". It's another thing to suggest or imply that other names are not equally valid or worthy of consideration.

 

[sd]

Ok so, what we know so far with today's information:

releases through 2024 so far:

• january: another code recollection
• february: mario vs dk, sp3 side order
• march: princess peach showtime
• april: ???
• may: paper mario the thousand year door remaster
• june: luigi's mansion 2 hd remaster
• july: ???
• august: ??? my guess: a direct showcasing the releases throughout 2nd half, 2024
• september: ???
• october: ??? im guessing switch 2 reveal?
• november: ??? my guess: pokemon bw remaster
• december: ???

I really don't know where MP4 would fit in this schedule. Would they release it earlier in april or july~october and then wait a month or 3 for a switch 2 reveal or do they release it later to close the year (perhaps with a new pokemon title) ?

May is also Endless Ocean Luminous

That's software though, but just wanted to note it.

 

[sd]

Switch Attach makes me immediately think it is a console that you attach to yourself.

Which makes me think of Nintendo partnering with Neuralink to make a console that plugs directly into your brain.

My body is ready.

Yes, the console transforms into body armor you can wear and play at the same time.

 

[eye0h]

It's another thing to suggest or imply that other names are not equally valid or worthy of consideration.

I'm suggesting it : P I don't think it's worth the risk, I don't think the name sells itself as well as 2 does either. I think it's just too in line with the "pro" trend. At first glance it can say "I have this already". Doesn't help that the ps5 pro will probably be out this year. I also don't even think the phone market is comparable.

I can't speak for the overall market because again, I don't think there's that much to compare it to but from personal experience selling consoles F2F it would be harder and therefore less worthy of consideration. Switch 2 is boring but I think it's quite literally the best option. Static free messaging.

 

[bmfrosty]

But like, genuinely, has consumer literacy? Super and Advance are fairly unambiguous words!

Yeah. They're like Pro.

This is my favorite mechanical pencil. It's the Uni Kuru Toga Advance. https://www.jetpens.com/Uni-Kuru-Toga-Advance-Mechanical-Pencil-0.5-mm-Black/pd/21019

It's compatible with all the same lead as the Uni Kuru Toga.

EDIT: That's a lie. The lead comes in 0.3, 0.5, and 0.7 for most of the models of Kuru Toga.

 

[Djehuty]

Consumer expectations may well have changed since 20, 30 years ago when GBA/SNES came out. Today, we generally see that major hardware revisions have the number in the name incremented. PS5, iPhone 15, Samsung S23 etc. The bit after the name is often used to denote a variant within that product family e.g Samsung S23/S23+/S23 Ultra (an obvious exception to this is Xbox who have done a complete change of name since last gen)

and it isnt working for them at all.

its more than the name but a clearer name would help.

unfortunately they kinda screwed themselves over here

XBox
Xbox 360
Xbox 1

do you call the next one XBox 2 or xbox 4

what a funky predicament, guess thats why they did the s/x thing.

so i think they might be a reason why we get switch 2

sony hass proved numbers provide 0 confusion

 

[Djehuty]

But like, genuinely, has consumer literacy? Super and Advance are fairly unambiguous words!

true

but they also dont

if the goal of a name is too make it understandable its better to be pragmatic than be cute about it and lose the parents who dont know what a nintendo is when buying their kids a gift.

you dont want them to see, super switch and switch and go, "well budgets tight so i'll just get the cheaper version" not knowing those are two entirely different things. and now the kid is not buying any of nintendos new games.


better to just go 2 and not have to worry about it. even if its a minor amount, barely a percent its not worth doing cause money is still money.

 

[Eclissi]

The name.

So, we are here, again.

 

[Darknut85]

The name.

So, we are here, again.

It won‘t even stop when Switch 2 is released…

 

[crazybenjamin]

Would y’all prefer if the next console is called switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch

Switch 2. I just think it'll be less messy in the long term.

 

[Semi Lazy Gamer]

The name.

So, we are here, again.

 

[Mango]

Most people are already calling it Switch 2 and it's not even revealed. I don't like the name the most but it's probably the easiest route they could take.

 

[Hermii]

Switch 2 is simple and impossible to be confused about. Boring maybe, but very functional.

 

[Darknut85]

Most people are already calling it Switch 2 and it's not even revealed. I don't like the name the most but it's probably the easiest route they could take.

Nintendo isn’t really known for taking the easiest route, though. Also they didn’t call Switch NX, even though people used that name (which was a codename, not a unofficial placeholder like Switch 2).

 

[karmitt]

Switch 2 is not boring because Switch is still a most excellent, timeless name. Not having a zany wheel-spin of a name, or being incredibly on the nose about system gimmicks does not mean boring.

Just don’t confuse the audiences and we’re good. Also why are we here again and why am I responding

 

[Darknut85]

Switch 2 is not boring because Switch is still a most excellent, timeless name. Not having a zany wheel-spin of a name, or being incredibly on the nose about system gimmicks does not mean boring.

Just don’t confuse the audiences and we’re good. Also why are we here again and why am I responding

Wii U also is a great name since Wii is still a fantastic timeless-
Oh wait…

Spoiler

If it is a iterative successor without the smallest gimmick/innovation, Switch 2 is a good candidate, more likely than Super/Advance. But Nintendo innovated with past consoles, with Switch and also stated that they‘ll create hardware that creates new gameplay opportunities. In that case Switch + (function) or (which is imo the better option) a completely new name.

 

[karmitt]

Wii U also is a great name since Wii is still a fantastic timeless-
Oh wait…

Spoiler

If it is a iterative successor without the smallest gimmick/innovation, Switch 2 is a good candidate, more likely than Super/Advance. But Nintendo innovated with past consoles, with Switch and also stated that they‘ll create hardware that creates new gameplay opportunities. In that case Switch + (function) or (which is imo the better option) a completely new name.

Nah. Wii was a dumb name. Wii U was a worse name.

Edit: Also my point, which was only semi serious, was about boring names - not dumb / bad ones.

 

[Meelow]

Yeah, boring names does not mean bad names.

Wii wasn't a bad name; Wii U was a boring and bad name because, at that point, people were over the Wii brand
PlayStation is not a bad name; it is boring, though, as is Xbox.
Switch 2 is not a bad name; it is boring, but it's safe. Unlike the Wii brand, Switch is as strong as ever.

 

[redmutineer75]

I feel like people are willingly letting their imaginations be sidelined because of some preconceived notion that consumers are dumb sheep that will freeze if there's anything but a 2 in the name. Was "Wii U" a bad name? Yes, obviously, but it was bad for reasons other than just the obvious. The "Wii" name was plastered all over various Wii games (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, etc.) and accessories (Wii Wheel, Wii Motion Plus, Wii Zapper, etc.) combined with Nintendo's marketing almost intentionally trying to avoid showing the actual console and using words like "new controller" in reference to the GamePad rather than presenting the console as a whole. That was what created the perception that the Wii U was just an accessory to the Wii, not the name on its own. Nintendo doesn't have the first problem (the only games I can think of are the 1-2-Switch series and Nintendo Switch Sports, and both of those are callbacks to Wii Play and Wii Sports respectively) and the second is entirely controllable on their part. People understood that the Game Boy Advance was a sequel to the Game Boy and the 3DS was a sequel to the DS because they were paired with unambiguous marketing campaigns. Why would Super Nintendo Switch be any different?

 

[Melpomene]

Super Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 are both bad actually, because they're boring.

Just hit me with a brand-new name, regardless of how iterative the console is.

 

[Darknut85]

Super Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 are both bad actually, because they're boring.

Just hit me with a brand-new name, regardless of how iterative the console is.

Nintendo Fist, this name‘ll hit you like no other.

 

[Melpomene]

Nintendo Fist, this name‘ll hit you like no other.

The Nintendo Glitch - this time the gimmick is that the system ships with firmware version 0.0.1 and they never update it again. The days of stability are over.

 

[Steve]

Quick question, does Nintendo have a team of people who they asking people their opinion of names for the brands.

Like the Nintendo ninjas stealing away people from the streets and forcing them to answer which name is better.

Lastly if Nintendo does make some dumbass name it wouldn’t really matter at the long run since if they show actually good quality killer apps they’ll be fine.

The problem with the Wii u is that it launched with a mediocre 2d Mario game and couple of old ass third party games that people didn’t think about (mass effect 3)

Plus it took months until they releasing good games games. Like Mario maker and Mario kart 8 which would have been systems seller released to late in the system life span. And I’m still in the believe that the reason the switch sold so well is because of their first year exclusives with Mario odyssey, botw and Mario kart.

You can see that with Mario kart selling 60 million, Mario odyssey with 20+ and lastly botw selling over 30 million copies which unheard for Zelda games.

Like the reason I bought a switch is because of its stellar first party games and especially botw.

And the reason the series s/x are failing is because it’s obvious that they don’t have games that people want to play, meanwhile Sony hides it better. And most of their consumers are people who only play the same game year on end. Meanwhile Nintendo doesn’t have that problem, because let’s be honestly we’re willing to play anything they throw at us.

(Sorry for the long post)

 

[CalmMind]

and it isnt working for them at all.

its more than the name but a clearer name would help.

unfortunately they kinda screwed themselves over here

XBox
Xbox 360
Xbox 1

do you call the next one XBox 2 or xbox 4

what a funky predicament, guess thats why they did the s/x thing.

so i think they might be a reason why we get switch 2

sony hass proved numbers provide 0 confusion

Xbox 10 obviously.

• It's higher than what PlayStation has
• Windows 10 exists

Anything with a letter after it has always been problematic to market. Just ask Nintendo.

 

[Steve]

and it isnt working for them at all.

its more than the name but a clearer name would help.

unfortunately they kinda screwed themselves over here

XBox
Xbox 360
Xbox 1

do you call the next one XBox 2 or xbox 4

what a funky predicament, guess thats why they did the s/x thing.

so i think they might be a reason why we get switch 2

sony hass proved numbers provide 0 confusion

didn’t read it right sorry

 

[Steve]

didn’t read it right.

 

[Steve]

for anybody confused why we’re talking about why the Wii U ads/marketing was bad, just watch these video. Also I’m pretty confident we’ll get good marketing for the switch 2 since Nintendo most likely threw the people who made the marketing for the Wii u to the atmosphere.
Hopefully y’all realise the importance of good marketing by seeing cringe inducing Wii u ads.




Also watch the switch reveal and how their no one explaining the concept of the switch and having a generally really good ads.