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News Pokémon Legends Z-A announced for Nintendo Switch, releasing in 2025

I haven't caught up on this thread (so apologies if others have already discussed this), but I'm going to share my guess here that the city redevelopment plan mentioned in the trailer will be inspired by this period of Parisian development that spanned the 1850s to the 1920s.

EDIT: Reading through the thread now, looks like slide's and I are on the same page.
gonna be the mid-19th century napoleon III/haussmann grand reconstruction of Paris setting the fans have been clamoring for
 
The Pokémon company doesn't give a shit about pushing new hardware for Ninte do and literally never has. They've not once in the companies history released a Pokémon RPG on the new hardware in the first year, and several times just made one for the older platform instead.

This isn’t a DS to 3DS scenario, or heck, a 3DS to Switch scenario. We live in an era of cross generation releases and games that are built to scale up or down. The fact of the matter is what you mentioned hasn’t happened because of timing. This is a scenario in which the timing would work and the game will be backwards compatible at minimum. Having enhanced features for new hardware or aligning it with the launch of new hardware isn’t the reach you think it is.

Nintendo could try and leverage something here imo, having a Pokemon game at launch sounds like a great idea to sell new Switches. Didn't those offices move closer to each other recently?

I think this could really benefit both parties.

Nintendo has leaned heavily on Pokemon in the Switch era and has used it as a tentpole holiday release on several occasions, often going as far to give them the entire month of November to themselves. The notion that TPC isn’t invested in moving hardware for Nintendo doesn’t make much sense when their games were routinely set up to have monstrous holiday sales, which includes hardware. As you noted, this would be immensely beneficial to both parties and they would be foolish to pass up on the opportunity.
 
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Leaving the technical mess of S/V first months and how ugly it still looks, I love modern Game Freak. They've been experimenting non stop during the Switch era: Let's Go, Sword/Shield, Legends Arceus, Scarlet/Violet and now Legends ZA. These are all very different games from one another. Gen 1-6 was basically the same game again and again with the exception of gen V that had an interesting story and forced you to play with all new monsters. My only grip with modern games is that the last one that had a good story (for me) was Sun/Moon back in 2016. Arceus and S/V were all right. Sword/Shield was horrible.

The fact that they seem to be taking their time, that Legends is alive (yay!), that they seem to be hearing criticism, that they're now relocated closer to Nintendo and that a new more powerful Switch is coming next year, make me very excited for the future of Pokemon. They seem to be learning the right lessons. I am as of right now very very interested in what they will come up with for gen 10.
 
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Wonder how people are still so hung up about remake patterns when the real takeaway of yesterday's presentations should have been that traditional remakes are done for. I'm quite confident Game Freak is not doing any old-game remake anytime soon, if "ever", and to that I say: long live experimental revisits of past regions! It's just way, way more exciting stuff.

Also surprised at people being genuinely disappointed that it's not a Gen 5 or Gen 2 game. I don't get it. I think X and Y suck quite frankly, if this were a straight remake of Gen 6 I would have yawned it away, BW and HGSS are much stronger games, but even still, the sheer prospect of PLZ-A being such an original take on Gen 6, and such an unexpected (and needed!) one at that, flat-out changes everything. Legends leaves the door wide-open to all kinds of games (especially if PLZ-A is as different from PLA as it seems, keyword being "seems"). Unova and Johto will get their due when the Game Freak's creatives feel like they have a cool idea for those regions, and that's great!

I don't know, I'd go as far as to say that I think we'll look back at the Switch era of Game Freak as when the studio "became cool", as in, even with its low lows, the massive shift it has signified for them and the leaps they've taken during it have resulted in an absolute boon to their creative output (at least on the Pokémon side of things).
 
Wonder how people are still so hung up about remake patterns when the real takeaway of yesterday's presentations should have been that traditional remakes are done for. I'm quite confident Game Freak is not doing any old-game remake anytime soon, if "ever", and to that I say: long live experimental revisits of past regions! It's just way, way more exciting stuff.

Also surprised at people being genuinely disappointed that it's not a Gen 5 or Gen 2 game. I don't get it. I think X and Y suck quite frankly, if this were a straight remake of Gen 6 I would have yawned it away, BW and HGSS are much stronger games, but even still, the sheer prospect of PLZ-A being such an original take on Gen 6, and such an unexpected (and needed!) one at that, flat-out changes everything. Legends leaves the door wide-open to all kinds of games (especially if PLZ-A is as different from PLA as it seems, keyword being "seems"). Unova and Johto will get their due when the Game Freak's creatives feel like they have a cool idea for those regions, and that's great!

I don't know, I'd go as far as to say that I think we'll look back at the Switch era of Game Freak as when the studio "became cool", as in, even with its low lows, the massive shift it has signified for them and the leaps they've taken during it have resulted in an absolute boon to their creative output (at least on the Pokémon side of things).
They're at minimum making Gen 5 remakes. After that then yeah they'll probably stop doing traditional remakes. But I doubt they say FU to the Gen 5 fans. It's still just too soon for those.
 
Would love some minor city-sim elements in this. Let the players decide what kind of buildings go where, what colour/style they are etc. and I'd be very happy. You could expand on the PLA mechanic where the Pokemon you gave people would stick around in the town on a much bigger scale too!
 
Wonder how people are still so hung up about remake patterns when the real takeaway of yesterday's presentations should have been that traditional remakes are done for. I'm quite confident Game Freak is not doing any old-game remake anytime soon, if "ever", and to that I say: long live experimental revisits of past regions! It's just way, way more exciting stuff.

Also surprised at people being genuinely disappointed that it's not a Gen 5 or Gen 2 game. I don't get it. I think X and Y suck quite frankly, if this were a straight remake of Gen 6 I would have yawned it away, BW and HGSS are much stronger games, but even still, the sheer prospect of PLZ-A being such an original take on Gen 6, and such an unexpected (and needed!) one at that, flat-out changes everything. Legends leaves the door wide-open to all kinds of games (especially if PLZ-A is as different from PLA as it seems, keyword being "seems"). Unova and Johto will get their due when the Game Freak's creatives feel like they have a cool idea for those regions, and that's great!

I don't know, I'd go as far as to say that I think we'll look back at the Switch era of Game Freak as when the studio "became cool", as in, even with its low lows, the massive shift it has signified for them and the leaps they've taken during it have resulted in an absolute boon to their creative output (at least on the Pokémon side of things).
This is a major jumping to conclusions move on your part. The existence of Legends Z does not mean there won't be a "normal" gen 5 and gen 6 remake in the future. This is an especially silly analysis after last gen when we got a second Gen 1 remake along with the Gen 4 remake. They could just choose to be waiting for the successor to do a Lets Go Johto and Gen 5 remake.
 
Leaving the technical mess of S/V [...] I love modern Game Freak.
Yuuuuuup.

Also come on have some faith some of you, this is a Holiday 2025 game. Nearly 4 years for PLZ-A and 4 years for Gen 10. I believe they're actually letting themselves have more time this go around, finally!

I know the Switch 2's shadow looms large. One could argue that it's just a CGI teaser because they really want to show next-gen footage for a more positive first impression, that there's no mention of a window because Nintendo's next console is still unannounced (and could be moved internally), but just as this hypothetical has some logic to it the other side of the coin, the other option, simply seems to be the safer guess.

There's no footage because the game is launching much later in the year, so there's no point in teasing things with a poor looking and running early build, and similarly there's no solid window (like there was for PLA) because the game isn't getting a big fist trailer anytime soon. There's also the fact that GF is not know for jumping on new hardware fast (though I do suspect this will change with LZ-A, and that the game will come with, at minimum, actually coded in improvements if not a native SKU), this is coupled with the simple reality of TPC not being Nintendo. Sure, Nintendo might have liked having a cross-gen Pokémon game at launch, but we know they can't dictate GF's schedule. TPC is not gonna care whether or not the next mainline Pokémon game is Day 1 on Nintendo's new hardware.

They're at minimum making Gen 5 remakes. After that then yeah they'll probably stop doing traditional remakes. But I doubt they say FU to the Gen 5 fans. It's still just too soon for those.
There's no FU to Unova fans. They can make a Legends Gen 5 game and it would be a treat to BW's fans. I really don't follow you post.
This is a major jumping to conclusions move on your part. The existence of Legends Z does not mean there won't be a "normal" gen 5 and gen 6 remake in the future. This is an especially silly analysis after last gen when we got a second Gen 1 remake along with the Gen 4 remake. They could just choose to be waiting for the successor to do a Lets Go Johto and Gen 5 remake.
Am I making a prediction that could turn out wrong? Well sure, I don't have a crystal ball on me. I'm just being hyperbolic for rhetoric's sake. Neither of us know what's in store for the future of the series. Game Freak doesn't either as these things aren't set in stone. No one could have seen LGPE coming, nor could people have seen Legends happening (or having a sequel in a way). My "remakes by GF are done" idea is based on what's happening now. What GF wants to be doing now. They could do what you say or they could also not and simply make a Legends Jotho instead of a Let's Go game... which is much more likely.

I mean I'm not saying I will 100% be proven right. I'm saying I believe we'll see way more Legends games than remakes. Logistically it's more convenient for GF to make Legends games rather than 3D reimaginings of past "2D" regions as that's an herculean task, and they don't really seem to want to make top-down games anymore. This is why Legends is happening, not for any other reason.

What's silly is folks thinking there's a 1 remake per 1 hardware generation rule when that's clearly not the case, as you said yourself we got both LGPE and BDSP this gen. There's no remake pattern.

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Sun and Moon would be the last time they can to a "remake". After that, it's just remastering with alterations or straight up rereleases

Can't wait for Pokemon Scarlett Johnansson and Pokemon Milla Jovovich (who played the lead in Ultraviolet, so it checks out!).
 
Sony just did a remake of The Last Of Us 1 going from ps3 to ps5, TPC can easily do remakes of gen 8-9 in a decade on the Switch 3 if they want.
 
Sun and Moon would be the last time they can to a "remake". After that, it's just remastering with alterations or straight up rereleases
I would die for a more open reimagining of Sun/Moon with some Wind Waker vibes and freedom to roam the seas between the islands. I think it's my favourite setting of all of the games even if in real life I don't really care for Hawaii. It's so well done in the games.
 
Big tin foil hat time.

So back in gen 6, people datamined Bank and found there were a third pair of games planned that were ultimately never utilized. This is obviously what was originally planned to be Zygarde's thing as the 2015 release, but most likely got cancelled due to GF wanting to get gen 7 out for the 20th anniversary. Zygarde infamously got shafted as a game-long Cell hunt, but there was also another interesting addition: Guzzlord.

Guzzlord is the final UB encountered in SM's postgame. You find it in the last room of Resolution Cave, which is a replica of... Terminus Cave's final room. It is the thematic antithesis of Zygarde - protecting the environment at all costs vs. mindlessly destroying it. Lastly, James Turner himself alluded that there are intentional similarities between the two.

Fast-forward to 2024, and we have logos for a Kalos revisit named Z-A. The Z is a pattern of dark hexagons, while the A is green scales.

And now is where It All Comes Together(tm).

My crack theory is that the cancelled Kalos revisits were Pokemon A and Pokemon Z. Zygarde and whatever Guzzlord was initially conceived to be were the mascots, but the games were casualties of GF wanting a new gen for the anniversary. Zygarde was repurposed as the Cell hunt, and the other mascot was repurposed into the UB we now know as Guzzlord - the latter being placed at the end of Resolution Cave as a sort of development in-joke. Z-A is named that way to commemorate both cancelled titles and finally being able to explore their plotlines. With all of this, I imagine the overarching theme of PLZA will be taking the end of something (Z, the last letter of the alphabet) and using it to create something new (A, the first letter of the alphabet) along with themes of industry consuming the nature that was there to start with.

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Wait, a third pair of games? I knew that Z was initially planned and then never happened but this is the first I'm hearing that there were supposed to be two games and not just a singular third version. I'm not doubting you, but do you have any links to info about this? Google isn't throwing anything up for me, but at the same time I'm not really entirely sure what to type in to get that kind of information.
 
Posted this elsewhere

Given the inspiration, maybe you go to the old versions of the 5 districts and root out the cause of the decay so the redevelopment can occur. Once you beat the boss, the area will slowly transform into the more modern version of Lumiose
 
Posted this elsewhere

Given the inspiration, maybe you go to the old versions of the 5 districts and root out the cause of the decay so the redevelopment can occur. Once you beat the boss, the area will slowly transform into the more modern version of Lumiose

So like ... Pokemon Actraiser?

Now that's something i didn't know i want.
 
Wait, a third pair of games? I knew that Z was initially planned and then never happened but this is the first I'm hearing that there were supposed to be two games and not just a singular third version. I'm not doubting you, but do you have any links to info about this? Google isn't throwing anything up for me, but at the same time I'm not really entirely sure what to type in to get that kind of information.
 
Random: maybe we don’t catch Pokemon, but rather, recruit them. Like Mystery Dungeon, or maybe like Persona. Maybe we do side quests throughout the areas to recruit them. Instead of doing sidequests to give Pokemon to people, we do sidequests to get Pokemon.

Or maybe it’s like PMD where we rehabilitate the city and they act as Friend Zones and attract Pokemon.

Maybe we don’t collect Pokemon, but rather, they are attracted to the city
 
There's no FU to Unova fans. They can make a Legends Gen 5 game and it would be a treat to BW's fans. I really don't follow you post.
There's a reason they did BDSP and Legends Arceus for Gen 4... Because they didn't want to upset fans who wanted traditional remakes. Idk what else more to say lmao.
 
I will say, it's weird to get a Legends Kalos game without seemingly touching on the ancient war at all. But the title is also clearly a reference to AZ, so maybe we'll still get some lore there? Eternal Floette finally??? We'll see

Lastly, I'm curious how Zygarde is even going to factor into all of this. Is it just like... gonna be buried under the city or something? Is it gonna get a new form? A mega? It already has a complete form though. 120% Zygarde? SUPER PERFECT ZYGARDE?
I believe this game will partially adapt the XYZ anime, in which there are Zygarde cores around Kalos that Team Flare has been collecting and experimenting on. In the end, they use them to cause an outbreak of Zygarde roots that wreak havoc on Lumiose City, basically resulting in a mini-war where all the gym leaders + protagonists unite to stop Lysandre and Zygarde.

For this reason I also believe Ash-Greninja will play a major role, as teased in a painting in Scarlet and Violet
 
There's a reason they did BDSP and Legends Arceus for Gen 4... Because they didn't want to upset fans who wanted traditional remakes. Idk what else more to say lmao.
You don't need to add anything else, though maybe you need to ask yourself this: why aren't they doing an X and Y remake with Legends Z-A then?

Legends is not an unproven concept anymore. They know fans would love a Gen 5 Legends game without any accompanying remake/s. People who would be "mad" about such a possibility are a very small minority. If that's you then by all means, complain away. That's not fans as in the massive Pokémon fanbase.
 
You don't need to add anything else, though maybe you need to ask yourself this: why aren't they doing an X and Y remake with Legends Z-A then?

Legends is not an unproven concept anymore. They know fans would love a Gen 5 Legends game without any accompanying remake/s. People who would be "mad" about such a possibility are a very small minority. If that's you then by all means, complain away. That's not fans as in the massive Pokémon fanbase.
Like I said on my first post. They will probably stop doing traditional remakes with Gen 5. Since they are doing a Legends game for Kalos NOW instead of later after Gen 5 when people would expect remakes of the traditional sort, people won't be expecting a Legends game AND remakes.

And I guarantee there's plenty of fans who want traditional remakes. You're overestimating how much people enjoy Legends lol. The casual pokemon fans who just buy a system to play mainline Pokemon games is way too massive for Game freak/TPC/Nintendo to ignore.
Legends isn't the traditional turn based catch them all gameplay loop as the series has always been. They aren't going to skip out on Gen 5 for no reason when it's the last 2D games they have to remake into 3D.
 
I believe this game will partially adapt the XYZ anime, in which there are Zygarde cores around Kalos that Team Flare has been collecting and experimenting on. In the end, they use them to cause an outbreak of Zygarde roots that wreak havoc on Lumiose City, basically resulting in a mini-war where all the gym leaders + protagonists unite to stop Lysandre and Zygarde.

For this reason I also believe Ash-Greninja will play a major role, as teased in a painting in Scarlet and Violet
Zygarde core pieces were also in Sun and Moon though.
Regardless they are going to be the replacement for the Spiritomb quest here.
It's going to be interesting who the NPCs in this one are going to be and who we are.

I mean Arceus they could go for a mostly new cast and just implied that you are the protagonist from Gen 4.
Will they just make it an putright Sequel if it's in modern times are you going to be able to meet the Gen 6 protagonists like in Gen 2?
 
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For this reason I also believe Ash-Greninja will play a major role, as teased in a painting in Scarlet and Violet
ash-greninja retconned into Mega Greninja to go alongside Mega Delphox and Mega Chesnaught

it was absolutely criminal the Gen 6 starters never got megas and then Greninja was the only one allowed a discount mega because of the cartoon
 
are people really acting like Legends Z-A means a traditional gen 5 remake is impossible? i was already saying this in my thread, but people need to get the GF "pattern" out of their head. they haven't been following a pattern since the start of this generation and even somewhat before that. gen 5 remakes will happen, just not right now. (which is good news for gen 5 remakes.)
 
Re: Legends being main series - I’d say it’s something like Mario, having 2D and 3D entries.

Pokemon video games could be subdivided in two categories:
• Mainline Versions, traditional games (mascots and version exclusives)
• Mainline Legends, the experimental Pokemon games

And honestly, with the amount of effort that is invested in Legends, I would also classify it as mainline.
Yeah, keep the simpler hyper marketable main line games for the mass market, have the more experimental games made more for the fans and with an actual budget and man power behind it. And let the anime and manga do what they want.
 
Yeah, keep the simpler hyper marketable main line games for the mass market, have the more experimental games made more for the fans and with an actual budget and man power behind it. And let the anime and manga do what they want.
there's a massive overlap between mass market and the fans. DPr and Legends sold about the same, after all
 
Like I said on my first post. They will probably stop doing traditional remakes with Gen 5. Since they are doing a Legends game for Kalos NOW instead of later after Gen 5 when people would expect remakes of the traditional sort, people won't be expecting a Legends game AND remakes.

And I guarantee there's plenty of fans who want traditional remakes. You're overestimating how much people enjoy Legends lol. The casual pokemon fans who just buy a system to play mainline Pokemon games is way too massive for Game freak/TPC/Nintendo to ignore.
Legends isn't the traditional turn based catch them all gameplay loop as the series has always been. They aren't going to skip out on Gen 5 for no reason when it's the last 2D games they have to remake into 3D.
Gen 5 remakes can happen, outsourced to a 3rd party that is.

On your second point causal players don't care, PLA sold 14 million units, it's basically tied with BDSP and LGPE as the best selling mid-gen game ever in the series, and it's the only one which released outside of the holiday window, and it had a shorter "shelf life" (less months before the announcement and release of the next game). It was sold and marketed as a mainline game. Consumers accepted it as such. Forum posters who don't like Legends gameplay are a very small minority of people. I'm sure you don't need to hear this but your preference is not the mass market. Metrics for PLZ-A are already massive. It will do numbers.

Agree to disagree it is then!
 
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ash-greninja retconned into Mega Greninja to go alongside Mega Delphox and Mega Chesnaught

it was absolutely criminal the Gen 6 starters never got megas and then Greninja was the only one allowed a discount mega because of the cartoon
When Ash’s Greninja returned in Pokemon Journeys they removed the form from flashbacks, and it was removed in Scarlet and Violet, so I do believe there have been plans to do something new with the form for a while now. Personally, I don’t really want them to fully retcon the bond phenomenon concept and turn it into a standard mega. I’d rather they make bond phenomenon on a more centralized gimmick in addition to Megas for this game - perhaps exclusive to the starters.

Of course, I am a bit biased in my wants though since the XY anime is my favorite part of the entire Pokemon franchise.
 
When Ash’s Greninja returned in Pokemon Journeys they removed the form from flashbacks, and it was removed in Scarlet and Violet, so I do believe there have been plans to do something new with the form for a while now. Personally, I don’t really want them to fully retcon the bond phenomenon concept and turn it into a standard mega. I’d rather they make bond phenomenon on a more centralized gimmick in addition to Megas for this game - perhaps exclusive to the starters.

Of course, I am a bit biased in my wants though since the XY anime is my favorite part of the entire Pokemon franchise.
well battle bond already got nerfed into the dirt with the form's removal in SV. might be hard to reuse now as an ability. maybe they give you one mega stone for all pokemon and you have to raise pokemon to the point where they can mega evolve
 
Gen 5 remakes can happen, outsourced to a 3rd party that is.

On your second point causal players don't care, PLA sold 14 million units, it's basically tied with BDSP and LGPE as the best selling mid-gen game ever in the series, and it's the only one which released outside of the holiday window, and it had a shorter "shelf life" (less months before the announcement and release of the next game). It was sold and marketed as a mainline game. Consumers accepted it as such. Forum posters who don't like Legends gameplay are a very small minority of people. I'm sure you don't need to hear this but your preference is not the mass market. Metrics for PLZ-A are already massive. It will do numbers.

Agree to disagree it is then!
Fair. And I haven't played pokemon besides BDSP since Gen 6 sadly but I definitely would play Legends Arceus once I have the money and not such a backlog.
And I'm definitely getting Legends Z-A if it runs and looks well because I actually do think the concept is fantastic.
On the sales of the game, it was something new and many casual fans thought it was the first Open world Pokemon game so it sold well for being something finally new. (Not only that reason but yk what I mean)

I just really doubt they don't do Gen 5 remakes. It definitely is likely it will be outsourced though. I just don't think they'll leave out the last generation of 2D games for a traditional remake.
 
Yeah, keep the simpler hyper marketable main line games for the mass market, have the more experimental games made more for the fans and with an actual budget and man power behind it. And let the anime and manga do what they want.
I wouldn't really call the mainline games simple with how many things they are trying to do at once.
 
I wouldn't take "set entirely within lumiose city" literally but maybe that's just because I can't picture how that can work
Most video game locations, especially in Pokémon, exist at a pretty compressed scale. A realistically sized city would give them a lot of room to work with.
 
are people really acting like Legends Z-A means a traditional gen 5 remake is impossible? i was already saying this in my thread, but people need to get the GF "pattern" out of their head. they haven't been following a pattern since the start of this generation and even somewhat before that. gen 5 remakes will happen, just not right now. (which is good news for gen 5 remakes.)
If by people you mean me then the answer is... sorta. I absolutely do not think a Gen 5 remake would be made by Game Freak, if that's what you mean then yes. GF would rather make a Legends game, barring PLZ-A doing the unthinkable and bombing.
Fair. And I haven't played pokemon besides BDSP since Gen 6 sadly but I definitely would play Legends Arceus once I have the money and not such a backlog.
And I'm definitely getting Legends Z-A if it runs and looks well because I actually do think the concept is fantastic.
On the sales of the game, it was something new and many casual fans thought it was the first Open world Pokemon game so it sold well for being something finally new. (Not only that reason but yk what I mean)

I just really doubt they don't do Gen 5 remakes. It definitely is likely it will be outsourced though. I just don't think they'll leave out the last generation of 2D games for a traditional remake.
PLZ-A's concept is great. I find myself growing more interested in the game by the hour. I'll have to cool it off though as we aren't getting news anytime soon unfortunately/fortunately ahah.

The newness definitely played into it, it is a fair point, but it's not like the series hadn't done open areas before. Now the LEGENDS brand is established and a known quantity, I think an aspect that could help with the Open Map novelty "wearing off" is a cross-gen release on Switch-Switch 2*, which is pretty much a lock and which could send the hype into the stratosphere once again.

*within the launch period, not necessarily on the first day the console is out, of course.
 
I wish we had just a bit more of the game's vision. Conceptually, I think this has potential, and as of late I find I actually trust Game Freak creatively. But I feel like I don't really know what this game is, and I hope I don't have to wait until the usual August Pokemon Presents to find out.

well battle bond already got nerfed into the dirt with the form's removal in SV. might be hard to reuse now as an ability. maybe they give you one mega stone for all pokemon and you have to raise pokemon to the point where they can mega evolve
Eh, the nerf isn't so cut and dry; while the stat boost not being permanent is definitely a loss, the speed increase from a +1 speed boost is far more drastic than Ash-Greninja's meager 10 point bonus to its base speed, which lets him naturally outspeed a few threats he'd struggle with otherwise. (Though in fairness, my preferred competitive format is VGC doubles, where switch-outs are already nerfed just due to the pacing.)
 
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Wonder how people are still so hung up about remake patterns when the real takeaway of yesterday's presentations should have been that traditional remakes are done for. I'm quite confident Game Freak is not doing any old-game remake anytime soon, if "ever"

They're done for because they weren't announced when you wrongly assumed they would be?
 
There's a reason they did BDSP and Legends Arceus for Gen 4... Because they didn't want to upset fans who wanted traditional remakes. Idk what else more to say lmao.
It was also time for BDSP. It's by no means time for Gen 5 remakes. I don't know why everyone's acting like it is.

It was 4.5 years from FRLG to HGSS, 5 years from there to ORAS, and 7 years from there to BDSP. Black/White remakes anytime between now and holiday 2025 would've been the fastest turnaround between remakes ever. There's just no need for it.

Game Freak chose to make Legends Arceus at the time they normally would've made remakes and contracted ILCA to fill the void. Patterns would suggest they wouldn't be doing remakes of Black and White right now anyway, so there's no need to outsource one at present. I do think the remakes will cease to exist in their current form relatively soon - it gets a lot weirder to continue for a variety of reasons once they get to XY - but there's no reason they can't eek out one more set. However, presuming we get a new gen in 2026 and DLC the year after, that probably won't be until 2028. (I'd prefer more ambitious DLC in 2028 and remakes in 2027 to fill the gap, but that'd probably cut into their resources for Gen 11.)
 
Sony just did a remake of The Last Of Us 1 going from ps3 to ps5, TPC can easily do remakes of gen 8-9 in a decade on the Switch 3 if they want.

In the current pace of remakes, gen 8 wouldn't be out before 2042, so that's hardly a concern for GF. That's precisely why they take time between them, so they make sense and are commercially viable.

Pokémon is a meticulously managed franchise.
 
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They're done for because they weren't announced when you wrongly assumed they would be?
Lol, c'mon I got baited by Khu you know this. And, above all (and what the point of it is), you're ignoring how my post specifically mentions Game Freak not doing remakes, not the possibility of an outsourced remake, which is what was being being discussed pre-Presents.

I was open to the possibility of an outsourced game, supported by what was an actual Pokémon leaker before the Presents. Your dig is weird and based on a strawman quite frankly. My argument for remakes being dead is Game Freak not wanting to do them.

Do you folks seriously expect GF to remake D/P/Pt or X/Y? Any ETAs? Lmao
 
It was also time for BDSP. It's by no means time for Gen 5 remakes. I don't know why everyone's acting like it is.

It was 4.5 years from FRLG to HGSS, 5 years from there to ORAS, and 7 years from there to BDSP. Black/White remakes anytime between now and holiday 2025 would've been the fastest turnaround between remakes ever. There's just no need for it.
Depends if you counted Let's Go as part of the same line of remakes or not. Some people did, others didn't. Guess we got our answer. But that is part of where the differing expectations came from. The other part of that was Khu's moronic "riddles", which can now be safely ignored
 
Do you folks seriously expect GF to remake D/P/Pt or X/Y? Any ETAs? Lmao

I don't expect it, BDSP was the gen 4 remake, but I don't see why GF wouldn't make another remake of gen 4 or any other gen themselves down the line if they felt like doing it. They did just that with LGPE, gen 1 already had remakes, but they wanted to do another one and Go was popular at the time so it made sense, so they did it.

GF works trying to have a new Pokémon release (game or DLC) every year. How they fill up that schedule depends entirely on what they feel like doing and what they think makes sense for that moment considering the whole multimedia franchise. So if year 20XX doesn't game a slotted game yet, they will probably think "what kind of game do we want to make? What game makes sense now in terms of synergy with the other medias?". The answer might be a Legends games, an outsourced remake, a reremake with a spin, or something entirely new. We just don't know, they've consistently thrown curved balls and did lots of things except for what people were expecting.

I guess what I'm trying to say this, Legends ZA doesn't change things, it's consistent with the way GF has been operating since the start of the Switch era.
 


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