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Meelow said:
Games take time to develop, how many games do you think they have sitting to be released on the Switch? Not enough to fill up all of 2025 I can tell you that.
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maybe not all but they could probably space things out and come up with enough stuff to last into the following FY maybe even 2H 2025. and maybe if they start working on things now they could have things ready to fill the gap for late 2025 if they delayed Switch 2 to 2026.
 
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Simbinha said:
I guess Nintendo is very worried about the transition from Switch 1 to 2, guessing it is the first time they're doing something that isn't an entirely new console idea (apart from the handhelds, of course, but even then they differed a lot). Nintendo Switch's launch lineup was not the most incredible thing ever either, it had BoTW, some other fun games like Snipperclips and 1-2 Switch as a showcase to the joy-cons co-op kind of thing. Initially, the Switch's gimmick was what gave it the most sales, software quantity and quality grew over time, but did not release with a lot on it initially.
They might want to be a bit more aggressive on the launch titles this time to smooth out this transition between generations and give the new Switch something like the Xbox One -> Series or PS4 -> PS5 sort of thing. Makes total sense to me at least, although it's bumming they will delay the release for that. But if that gives better momentum for their launch and better games for me to play, i'm fine with all delays.

EDIT: Plus, i don't see why some people tend to believe this is a problem with hardware-side of things. Things like chipsets and SoCs to be used on systems like this are planned and tested for years upfront, software is a harder deal because deadlines are tighter and readiness of those are volatile. I'm sure the chipset is just fine, most likely they will use the additional time to build better stock for the release too.
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IMO, they're always too greedy.
They always want to maximize profits so they prolong the generation too much and it hurts the successor. Mario Odyssey came out in 2017, they had 6 years to develop a new 3D Mario game. I know covid happened but still.
 
When Nintendo reveals the console, I think we can assume the hardware will come out within 12 months of reveal. I doubt they’ll delay it anymore than that
 
2B said:
It's a bit early to get worked up over further delays. Nothing is set in stone so I wouldn't put much weight on it unless we're closer to March 2025 and start hearing of more delays.

It does suck though because it feels like we're back to square one with the timing of reveal/release.
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if there's no mention of it in the coming FY projections (likely) and the supposed June reveal doesn't happen then anything is on the cards. i think the important takeaway is they aren't ready and they don't know when it will be ready yet.
 
This brings up an interesting hypothetical.

Let's say disaster strikes and each of 3D Mario, Prime 4, and Mario Kart aren't ready for March 2025 and instead are late 2025 at the earliest.

Does Nintendo launch with no major first-party titles March 2025 and just let enhanced ports of Switch 1 games and third-party games carry the system for 9-12 months?

Or do they delay yet again, possibly risking a barren 2025 for Switch and upsetting third-party publishers?
 
HankyPanky said:
if there's no mention of it in the coming FY projections (likely) and the supposed June reveal doesn't happen then anything is on the cards. i think the important takeaway is they aren't ready and they don't know when it will be ready yet.
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They have several opportunities during the Fiscal Year to revise projections. Nothing in March doesn’t suggest anything. They could reveal later and revise projections later.
 
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Nikkei: "the system is planned for March 2025 but might be released a bit later if manufacturing and software is not ready"

Fami: "that's it. it's gonna be released in 2027."


I assume some of y'all think "the plane is gonna crash" when the stewards say "in the unlikely event of an an emergency"
 
More outlets covering Nikkei's reporting:

www.eurogamer.net

Nintendo Switch 2 currently targeting March 2025 but could slip further - report

Nintendo is currently set to launch its under-wraps Switch 2 console in March 2025 - but this could be delayed further,…
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The Switch 2's current planned March 2025 launch window means Nintendo will miss the lucrative end of year sales season, but still be able to include Switch 2 launch sales in its upcoming financial year, which ends 31st March 2025.

But Nikkei suggested that Nintendo was still open to a further delay of Switch 2 until later in 2025, if judged necessary.
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www.videogameschronicle.com

‘Switch 2’ is targeting March 2025 and was delayed to avoid shortages, new report claims | VGC

Nikkei corroborates previous reporting on Nintendo’s successor console…
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Although Nintendo had planned a launch in late 2024 for ‘Switch 2’, according to Nikkei “priority was given to ensure the initial inventory of the successor console and a lineup of software titles at the time of its launch” in an attempt to avoid widespread reselling.
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Nikkei notes that Switch 2 could yet slip beyond March 2025, dependent on manufacturing and how much software is ready for launch.
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it's hardly hypothetical but actually quite probable. at that point they release the system with one major exclusive title (this is all we needed in the first place) along with various third party titles and let the other stuff come later. at some point it becomes too costly to delay manufacturing any longer and sit on finished hardware and perception of the brand/system as long in the tooth, something Nintendo doesn't seem to care about with this 'smooth transition'.
 
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Party Sklar said:
Nikkei: "the system is planned for March 2025 but might be released a bit later if manufacturing and software is not ready"

Fami: "that's it. it's gonna be released in 2027."


I assume some of y'all think "the plane is gonna crash" when the stewards say "in the unlikely event of an an emergency"
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Captain: We are experiencing some unexpected turbulence, so passengers should return to their seats and--

Fami Passenger: Everyone got their parachutes? I’m opening the emergency exit in ten seconds.
 
Party Sklar said:
Nikkei: "the system is planned for March 2025 but might be released a bit later if manufacturing and software is not ready"

Fami: "that's it. it's gonna be released in 2027."


I assume some of y'all think "the plane is gonna crash" when the stewards say "in the unlikely event of an an emergency"
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Yeah, people need to chill. It’s possible they delayed it to March as a very last result projection because they want to perfectly hammer the mass production quality and schedule, plus any pending software output. Either first party, third or both.
 
ziggyrivers said:
Yeah, people need to chill. It’s possible they delayed it to March as a very last result projection because they want to perfectly hammer the mass production quality and schedule, plus any pending software output. Either first party, third or both.
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the whole point and what these articles are saying is it's not a last-minute small delay to March. it's a March target with open-ended window to delay anytime into 2025. whatever is causing the hold-up appears to be considerable and not yet nailed down.
 
I can't even laugh at the idea of it being delayed into 2026, remember when people thought 2023 was a shoe-in and that Nintendo wouldn't sit on a tape-out for more than a year?
 
Meelow said:
Now this I don't believe you don't go from early to late 2024 to early 2025 with a possibility of it being delayed past that.
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When was it ever early 2024, beyond people just wanting it to be early 2024?

Anywho, it's fine by me if they take their time. I got a ton to do on a weekly basis anyway. Even if I didn't, got tons of stuff to play on steam just waiting
 
it's laughable how in the space of a few weeks we've gone from H1 2024 still being considered possible to...

H1 2024 eviscerated
H2 2024 dead & buried
H1 2025 probable, most optimistic scenario
H2 2025 very possible, very late
2026 don't count it out yet, Nintendoomed
2027 the ten year prophecy, the plan that was promised
 
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Nintendo does plan on releasing cross platform games for Switch and Switch 2, but wouldn't it be more beneficial to release these games alongside the Switch 2 which will perform better? Dumping remasters and cross-platform games onto the Switch then expecting consumers to buy the Switch 2+a few first party games several months later doesnt seem like a sound move.

On a separate note, Metroid Prime 4 was announced in 2017, has been scrapped and rebuilt, and is still in active development. Although Metroid Dread did sell quite well(3 million), Nintendo really had to knock it out of the park with this game, especially if they end up planning on delaying the Switch 2 beyond March 2025.
 
I am not convinced. Nikkei could've said the sky was turning green and the Switch 2 was the cause of it and VGC and the like would've corroborated it.

On a more serious note, nothing releasing as late as March 2025 (if we're lucky somehow) needs a reveal in March or June of 2024.

Nothing makes sense in a world full of nonsense.
 
Danny said:
What Nintendo did wrong was their expansion plans, they started too late to expand their internal development studios. The new building planned for 2028 should happen already in 2025 for example. Because its obvious that they have too small development team compared to their new status in the industry since the release of the Switch.
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They really couldn’t do it much earlier than they are doing right now though.

With Nintendo being in a tricky place from 2017-2019 and 2020-2022 being the international disaster that it was, the amount of risk involved in expanding during those years would have been monumental.
 
It is what it is. They probably wanted to launch it in Q3 or Q4 of 2024 but wanting to have sufficient stock and/or progress on launch titles has clearly pushed them to delay it a bit. It will still be a fantastic piece of hardware and the launch titles will be bangers!

Also, if we follow the logic that it will have a longer mass production window than Switch 1, we should start to get concrete leaks (and an official unveiling) quite quite soon 👀
 
All this talk about bandwidth made me realize that from Maxwell to Drake (Ampere uArch) has an incredible efficient Delta color compression block that has been refined and improved over the generations. I don’t know if Ampere is stuck on the 5:th Gen delta compression from Turing or is the new 6:th Gen DCP.

But basically a RTX 2080 that has lower bandwidth by a small amount, less ram (8GB vs 11GB) and lower amount of Cuda Cores it’s on par or faster than the 1080 Ti in many games even in 1440p/4K

So switch 2 will fare well against PS4 despite it having 70% more bandwidth
 
We've through this same song and dance so many times at this point ("no waaaay it doesn't make 202X") that I have absolutely no expectations about any date. I'll only allow myself to hype when Nintendo announces a date.
 
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I don't really see what all the fuss is about tbh. "May slip later than March if software or production isn't ready" sounds to me more like Nintendo did not agree to commit sudoku if they missed the next FY than that they expressed concrete worries. Stuff always happens. It sounds more like they might release in April and May if something comes up than that they expect something to interfere massively.

If Nintendo truly cannot get their software ready to launch in calendar 2025, then they should be really worried about their software development pipeline for the entire gen, since they will have had 9 years to prepare and failed. If software really is that hard to produce for the next generation, then launch timing is the least of their worries, and they should worry a lot about software levels outside the launch year.
 
Zedark said:
I don't really see what all the fuss is about tbh. "May slip later than March if software or production isn't ready" sounds to me more like Nintendo did not agree to commit sudoku if they missed the next FY than that they expressed concrete worries. Stuff always happens. It sounds more like they might release in April and May if something comes up than that they expect something to interfere massively.

If Nintendo truly cannot get their software ready to launch in calendar 2025, then they should be really worried about their software development pipeline for the entire gen, since they will have had 9 years to prepare and failed. If software really is that hard to produce for the next generation, then launch timing is the least of their worries, and they should worry a lot about software levels outside the launch year.
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Basically this. It feels more or less like a “yeah, if we literally can’t release it when we said we would, we will in fact delay it again and not simply dissolve the company.“

I don’t see that as indicative of anything in particular. It at least shouldn‘t change whatever your previous position was, I would say.
 
Danny said:
What Nintendo did wrong was their expansion plans, they started too late to expand their internal development studios. The new building planned for 2028 should happen already in 2025 for example. Because its obvious that they have too small development team compared to their new status in the industry since the release of the Switch.
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To be fair, they delayed it to 2028, atleast partially, because they want to make it higher. If they needed it so fast, they wouldn’t have increased the scope of the project in the first place.
 
I'm not a Nintendoomer, never will be... but I do believe they totally dropped the ball and should have launched the successor last year, let alone next year. It's very sad to me, what could have been. They may still succeed, and I'm still hopeful and betting on it, but their chances of success are diminished by their incredibly glacial speed.
 
Zedark said:
I don't really see what all the fuss is about tbh. "May slip later than March if software or production isn't ready" sounds to me more like Nintendo did not agree to commit sudoku if they missed the next FY than that they expressed concrete worries. Stuff always happens. It sounds more like they might release in April and May if something comes up than that they expect something to interfere massively.

If Nintendo truly cannot get their software ready to launch in calendar 2025, then they should be really worried about their software development pipeline for the entire gen, since they will have had 9 years to prepare and failed. If software really is that hard to produce for the next generation, then launch timing is the least of their worries, and they should worry a lot about software levels outside the launch year.
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Extended dev times could mean we might get sequels of initial Switch 2 games, for the sake of reusing existing assets
 
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mjayer said:
I'm not a Nintendoomer, never will be... but I do believe they totally dropped the ball and should have launched the successor last year, let alone next year. It's very sad to me, what could have been. They may still succeed, and I'm still hopeful and betting on it, but their chances of success are diminished by their incredibly glacial speed.
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I‘m not Nate, but I can reassure you, Switch 2‘ll launch in 20[Redacted]. So no need to worry, the wait isn’t that long.
 
we're only in February and there's already reports/bargaining about it slipping beyond March 2025 - the supposed small, last-minute delay. there's a lot of time before the release will need to be pinned down and i doubt we'll have any idea until much later in the year. the only thing i get from these reports is that if they're saying 'could slip' that's a baseline scenario. March is now the most optimistic timeline and not the most likely one.
 
mjayer said:
I'm not a Nintendoomer, never will be... but I do believe they totally dropped the ball and should have launched the successor last year, let alone next year. It's very sad to me, what could have been. They may still succeed, and I'm still hopeful and betting on it, but their chances of success are diminished by their incredibly glacial speed.
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It wasn't ready last year. They couldn't launch a product that wasn't finished yet.
 
HankyPanky said:
we're only in February and there's already reports/bargaining about it slipping beyond March 2025 - the supposed small, last-minute delay. there's a lot of time before the release will need to be pinned down and i doubt we'll have any idea until much later in the year. the only thing i get from these reports is that if they're saying 'could slip' that's a baseline scenario. March is now the most optimistic timeline and not the most likely one.
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I mean, if the delay is due to delays to software (let’s say 3D Mario, Mario Kart, and Prime 4), then another delay is definitely possible as AAA games are delayed all the time.

The question is when Nintendo can realistically stop delaying the console if they keep delaying the killer apps they want to launch with it if this scenario happens.
 
HankyPanky said:
we're only in February and there's already reports/bargaining about it slipping beyond March 2025 - the supposed small, last-minute delay. there's a lot of time before the release will need to be pinned down and i doubt we'll have any idea until much later in the year. the only thing i get from these reports is that if they're saying 'could slip' that's a baseline scenario. March is now the most optimistic timeline and not the most likely one.
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This is just pessimism, in my view. Them not being 100% hard-committed to a timeline is indicative of little more than that they don‘t want to be held to anything. It’s the same reason they take so long to acknowledge a console is coming in the first place.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I mean, if the delay is due to delays to software (let’s say 3D Mario, Mario Kart, and Prime 4), then another delay is definitely possible as AAA games are delayed all the time.

The question is when Nintendo can realistically stop delaying the console if they keep delaying the killer apps they want to launch with it if this scenario happens.
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this is why the true date is probably still ??? seems like they're confident in 2025 but throwing out March as the 'target' this early seems like a way of managing expectations out of 2024 than being a realistic date.
 
My only fear is that the success of the Switch is causing Nintendo to be overly cautious of new hardware, and every little thing will push it back just a bit further. They have risen so high with the Switch and I hope they can use its momentum to keep things going. I want them to be hungry for domination and not scared to move forward. I have confidence that next gen will be great and could be another water shed moment for Nintendo to get AAA releases day and date again, but they need to get that hardware out there.

Until we hear an announcement we are going to continue this cycle, so hopefully they say something soon, or at least give us a hint with their full year forecast.
 
I have to imagine Nintendo will want to talk about it soon. Outlets from all over the world, including some very close to home are casually discussing their release strategy. At some point Nintendo will want their own messaging out there.
 
All this tells me is that an H1 2024 release was never on the table, which isn't wholly unsurprising as we still haven't had traditional leaks like clockspeed, there's no consensus on RAM or launch titles.
 
Charamiwa said:
I have to imagine Nintendo will want to talk about it soon. Outlets from all over the world, including some very close to home are casually discussing their release strategy. At some point Nintendo will want their own messaging out there.
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I can see them releasing a statement saying that the next generation of the Nintendo Switch will be released in 2025, and will address that further during the year will information will be published.
 
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