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Super bizarre for hardware sources to be talking about a delay now, as it happens. They delayed the console hardly more than a month before they were set to reveal it?
 
eye0h said:
I mean necro is backing the idea that this info is spreading, he said "2025 sorry", then said his hardware sources weren't talking about 2025 till now.
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The 2025 sorry was for the wrong written thing prior hahahah nothing to do with the report

I'm nothing backing up or neglecting anything (most like Andy) as nothing was shared with me regarding launch window changes yet
 
necrolipe said:
The 2025 sorry was for the wrong written thing prior hahahah nothing to do with the report

I'm nothing backing up or neglecting anything (most like Andy) as nothing was shared with me regarding launch window changes yet
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gotcha, apologies
 
TomNookYankees said:
Misremembered, it was as early as Q1 2023 not Q2 2023 that Nate was thinking the launch window would be "Holiday 2024 or even early 2025" with the reasoning being due to production timelines (though this could have been more informed speculation than insider info).



Point still stands though that when Nate was thinking late 2024 or early 2025 a lot of people were insisting Nate didn't know what he was talking about and most of those same people are now insisting they know better than the journalists who are getting evidence of new hardware not coming out until 2025.
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I still think Nate doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
darthdiablo said:
@necrolipe can you clarify (cuz it can be interpreted both ways) - are you saying your hardware sources are now backing the 2025 reports/claims?

Nvm, just saw Necro's most recent reply. Thanks
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Guess that to be more clearier: Nothing was shared with me regarding launch window changes yet
My focus tbh is the time for reveal of it's existence by Nintendo itself...
 
I don't understand how something not yet announced can be postponed...🫨

however, I think it's always useful to remember that we are speculating
 
SimplyCinnamon said:
Didn’t Tom Warren or somebody say we’d be seeing a lot of games with “launching on Switch 2” this year?
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Maybe you mean Tom Henderson? A few months ago he said something like within 12-18 months we'll be seeing games launching on the xbox series x/s, PS5 and Nintendo Switch 2.

I don't recall this was him leaking knowledge but rather just excited about the future.

nitroplum said:
No. That's the point. In reality, at this point I think all the info we think we have is a wash.
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Fair haha.
 
What if the new Switch cartridge SD card thing that allows piracy caused a delay for Switch 2 where they are required to rethink security on a hardware level, even maybe leading to no backwards compatibility for physical Switch games.
 
Unless the devs are first party (incredibly unlikely) or were specifically told that they are a launch title and need to be ready for Q1 2025, I’m not sure why they’d assume they’re a launch title.

Unless they’re developing something like an annual Call of Duty / EA FC?

While there’s no smoke without fire I think some wires have been crossed here (not Necro or Andy VGC, they’re just reporting on what has been reported by someone else)
 
EdFiftyNine said:
Unless the devs are first party (incredibly unlikely) or were specifically told that they are a launch title and need to be ready for Q1 2025, I’m not sure why they’d assume they’re a launch title.

Unless they’re developing something like an annual Call of Duty / EA FC?

While there’s no smoke without fire I think some wires have been crossed here (not Necro or Andy VGC, they’re just reporting on what has been reported by someone else)
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Well "launch window" for a console can be pretty lengthy (up to a year in some cases) so if they were within that verbiage it would make sense but still wouldn't be enough to glean an exact release time from.
 
Read through 7 pages just to have my soul ripped out. 😭

OKAY! I’m over it now. ☺️ Speculation time. Assuming it has been pushed to 2025, or maybe it being the plan all along, can we give some credence to the theory that T239 may have been altered sometime after the Nvidia hack? Updated, maybe? Made compatible with LPDDR5X? Would a 3nm node be any more likely in 2025?
 
What kind of info makes several people “believe” something, but not be confident enough to actually justify putting in official print, I wonder? Sounds like a lot of people with vague circumstantial evidence hearing a conclusion and going “yeah, makes sense, I guess.”
 
Switch 2 Q4 2023


Also the Brazil article is just talking about devs confirming that they are working on games planned for early 2025

Helluva nothing burger
 
Well I think it's pretty clear what happened. Microsoft's podcast screwed up all of Nintendo's plans. It delayed the partner Direct, which delayed the reveal, which delayed the release. All of Nintendo is in shambles and fighting to recover. Phil Spencer is the only one to blame.

/s
 
Danny said:
Hey now, Nate did say that he heard the word ''March'' all over Gamescom. The only problem from our perspective is that they were talking about March 2025, not March 2024.
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To be fair, Nate did say he the March chatter was March 2024 and recently said he expects a reveal of some sort in March 2024
 
Insider chatter of the Switch 2 being internally delayed suddenly popping up after insiders said a Partners Showcase was delayed to next week and the Switch 2 will be revealed in March for a 2024 release.

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Melpomene said:
What kind of info makes several people “believe” something, but not be confident enough to actually justify putting in official print, I wonder? Sounds like a lot of people with vague circumstantial evidence hearing a conclusion and going “yeah, makes sense, I guess.”
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belief is not tangible. A little risky to put that in a story from a journalistic matter.

Onilink97 said:
To be fair, Nate did say he the March chatter was March 2024 and recently said he expects a reveal of some sort in March 2024
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and it does make sense especially if Nintendo is gonna be talking successor at GDC. That will leak. It'd be wise to get out ahead of leaks.
 
Truno said:
Xbox going third party?
Sony has disappointing financials and a lack of first party games?

Surely there are no negative Nintendo news coming up... right?
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2024 is shaping up to be the worst year in gaming since the start of the PS5/Xbox Series generation. We'll see how this goes.
 
m051293 said:
If you humor this, T239 in Q1 2025 is older tech than TX1 in Q1 2017 right? Or about the same? I know that's an oversimplification, but does that enable them to spec and launch a device at a more compelling price point, like $349.99 12-13 months from now?

Also assuming 3D Mario is still the launch title, that's one hell of a gap since SMO, close to 90 months apart.
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The T239 is older now than what The TX was during the Switch launch
 
kalosmani said:
What if the new Switch cartridge SD card thing that allows piracy caused a delay for Switch 2 where they are required to rethink security on a hardware level, even maybe leading to no backwards compatibility for physical Switch games.
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I would not rule that out, i think Nintendo were furious about the fact that Switch 1 was hacked so early and easily and they will want to do anything that can prevent that from happening to the Switch 2. And that card probably is something Nintendo thinks carefully about.
 
nitroplum said:
This seems very weird. If they weren't going to launch the console this year, then when Furukawa was asked about the console he would have just said something like "we have no plans for hardware this year". Not to mention all the shipping info, Sharp's shipment promises, etc. If this thing got pushed back this late, it would kill their entire Holiday season if the H2 crew is right. If H1 crew was right then it would kill most of their year's release schedule...

To me this sounds like:
  1. Nintendo is cracking down hard and has circulated fake dates internally to shut down leaks
  2. People were told FY 2025 and misinterpreted that
  3. Nintendo's entire year has been destroyed last minute (I don't find this very likely)
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I think you bring up an excellently articulated point. The lack of deconfirmation seems peculiar if there was truly no plans to launch hardware this year. A last minute delay this late is not unrealistic, but severely unlikely given the magnitude of such an action carries.

My guess is that the news is currently experiencing a snowball effect. An individual, who was also a source, might have heard that there was issues with the launch, and interpreted in the worst way possible.
 
I dont know whether the final SoC is T239, but if their SoC taped out is finished, they should release the console as soon as possible to prevent tech outdated.

No matter what, the Feb Nintendo Direct will give some estimation about launch day.
 
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nitroplum said:
Im not questioning Nate's or anyone else's integrity. I'm questioning the reliability of everyone's sources at this point. None of this is their fault. It just seems to me that something isn't going right at this point.
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thing is he's been consistent on release timing. As for the March announcement thing? We can't say he was wrong or right about that yet. There's a lot of speculation about something that hasn't happened yet. But it's been like that for so long now haha
 
Melpomene said:
Basically, yeah. It’s just interesting that even the sources themselves are operating on belief rather than firsthand knowledge in this case.
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Well that's what stood out to me too. Do these 2 devs/sources not know when the system is coming out? It seems that way.
 
nitroplum said:
Im not questioning Nate's or anyone else's integrity. I'm questioning the reliability of everyone's sources at this point. None of this is their fault. It just seems to me that something isn't going right at this point.
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Yes that's fair, a lot is going on, it does make it odd thought for Nintendo to have a partner. I assume their is some sort of reveal next month happening, just seems odd that if it is march 2025 that the switch 2 is coming out, they aren't having their usual Feb general direct and such.
 
i am so tired

if it truly is 2025 then everything about this damn successor's launch just screams nintendo playing scared, even when the market itself (i.e the fucking entirety of H2 2024 lmfao) is prime for them to strike while the iron is hot.
 
Boxle said:
Well I think it's pretty clear what happened. Microsoft's podcast screwed up all of Nintendo's plans. It delayed the partner Direct, which delayed the reveal, which delayed the release. All of Nintendo is in shambles and fighting to recover. Phil Spencer is the only one to blame.

/s
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Could be true, Nintendo has never been forced to delay a direct before. Chad Spencer single handedly wrecked all Nintendo's plans so that Xbox can be first to release their new handheld in 2024 and get the holiday period all to themselves while forcing Nintendo to move towards a worse 2025 release date. Chad spencer, crusher of Japanese dreams /s
 
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