I know the following is not what this thread is about, but it's what I thought it was about before I read the OP.
Seriously (disambiguation: I am honestly being serious), I think this game has a chance of expanding the world of Hyrule to focus a bit on the adjacent unexplored sea. Given Wind Waker's precedent it's quite possible we see pirates of some sort in TotK. But I also think they may take the opportunity to include sky-based civilisations, so airships and sky pirates is also possible. Either way, pirates are due for a comeback in popular media and I think the time is ripe given the interest in things like media piracy and human rights, etc. Also the new Avatar is water-based so it's being pushed into in the zeitgeist.
Is there a fool proof way for Nintendo to make the Switch 2 to never be modded or hacked?
The only time it is excusable is when the software can no longer be purchased. IE the OG resident evil PC ports or really any out of print game from the 80s and 90s as those are far harder to find or even things never technically released such as bio force apefuck piracy
Always online is really it. Make the console not able to be used without a daily server authenticationIs there a fool proof way for Nintendo to make the Switch 2 to never be modded or hacked?
I think the only way to truly guarantee that would be to have all games available via cloud versions only.Is there a fool proof way for Nintendo to make the Switch 2 to never be modded or hacked?
Always online is really it. Make the console not able to be used without a daily server authentication
Nope. Theft requires deprivation of property. If you go into a game store and steal a copy of a game that is theft because the store no longer has that copy of the game. Downloading a ROM from the internet creates an entirely new copy, not depriving anyone of anything tangible and so is not theft. It is copyright infringement because under intellectual property laws in many countries only the copyright holder can legally make new copies of Zelda.If i downloaded a rom for zelda off the internet and ran it on an emulator, that would be theft.
Isn't this kind of a contradiction in a forum about a multi-billion dollar corporation?as it always seems to be argued in the service of some multi-billion dollar corporation.
Nope. I like the games Nintendo makes. Doesn't mean I should defend their corporate intresets.Isn't this kind of a contradiction in a forum about a multi-billion dollar corporation?
Nope, it's just copyright infringement/piracy. Some governments and especially corporations love equating the two in propaganda but it just isn't theft because nothing is actually taken from anyone. As I said you're free to argue it is immoral.But i would still say every rom downloaded is theft in a sense. You're creating new copies without creating benefits for the copyright holder, resulting in not creating benefits for the copyright holder and thus, in a form of theft.
I wasn't making an arugment about the ethics of piracy due to the rules, only whether it was theft. But yes I agree that the recency and commercial life of the product has impact on the ethics of pirating it as does who the copyright holder is, and the circumstances of the pirate.And even wthout that, Piracy is anti-ethical as long as what you're pirating still has some commercial life. In the case of recently released games is even more blatant.
I get your frustrated, but theres no need for this to turn into a heated argument.Nope. Theft requires deprivation of property. If you go into a game store and steal a copy of a game that is theft because the store no longer has that copy of the game. Downloading a ROM from the internet creates an entirely new copy, not depriving anyone of anything tangible and so is not theft. It is copyright infringement because under intellectual property laws in many countries only the copyright holder can legally make new copies of Zelda.
By all means feel free to argue that piracy is immoral if you want but 'piracy = theft' is not only wrong but just fucking annoying as it always seems to be argued in the service of some multi-billion dollar corporation.
Perhaps because I am autistic but I don't consider this to be in any way a heated argument tbh.I get your frustrated, but theres no need for this to turn into a heated argument.
yeah, with people having less and less capable pcs at home (for general computing an average tablet/notebook/smartphone is fine).Thus far there's been no sign that Switch emulation/roms are hurting software sales the way R4's did with the DS. It's similar to how there's no evidence the steam deck, switch being "old", or any number of Gamer(tm) hot takes are having a negative impact on the Switch's ability to move hardware and software.
Users on sites like this are the extreme outlier minority in terms of how most people play games or what people want from gaming experiences.
this really does not read like a heated argument, but a factual clarification. There is a legal distinction.I get your frustrated, but theres no need for this to turn into a heated argument.
My appologies, i got heated was projecting. I guess the way i saw it was that by not purchasing the product to play it it was theft, but in a world where you can lend people games, i see how that argument holds little waterPerhaps because I am autistic but I don't consider this to be in any way a heated argument tbh.
Switch emulation is not an easy thing to set up, and piracy via homebrew Switches is both limited to a subset of early release hardware
If you know how to solder or pay someone to do it. There are mod chips for newer hardware. That‘s what Team Xecuter got into legal trouble. Nintendo stopped them but copycats are selling their own chips now.
It's not that it's impossible to do, but paying someone a few hundred dollars to get a mod chip installed on your switch to pirate games is a bridge too far for your average consumer. What made the R4 situation so unique was that R4's were super easy to find, extremely affordable, and simple to set up and go. Heck you can still find them for cheap on Amazon in 2023. The 3ds made it easy to find who was using a ds flash cards on 3ds thanks to street pass as the flash card would tell the 3ds the person was playing very specific games. During peak street pass I'd say 1 in every 20 people I passed would their most recent game be one of them.If you know how to solder or pay someone to do it. There are mod chips for newer hardware. That‘s what Team Xecuter got into legal trouble. Nintendo stopped them but copycats are selling their own chips now.
Chips themselves are crazy expensive, and the installation is... not for the faint of heart, to say it lightly.If you know how to solder or pay someone to do it. There are mod chips for newer hardware. That‘s what Team Xecuter got into legal trouble. Nintendo stopped them but copycats are selling their own chips now.
In reality they could push out an algorithim that updates firmware daily with a new key that is 2FA to an inbox on nintendos official site which requires you to register you console serial number on it. ( Of course that would be a big issue alot of people would have issues with)Until it is reverse engineered and the checks get patched out or the CFW flies under Nintendo radar. This is always a cat and mouse game.
Idk if I necessarily agree. Since Nintendo is becoming extremely anti-consumer and anti-creator lately (ie. the issues with Gary Bowser and now pointcrow), it may push a lot of people to pirate just to avoid giving money to Nintendo. People used to just pirate for the higher fps but now they’ve given people a lot of moral reasons not to buy from them.It won't impact sales literally at all because people who aren't going to buy it aren't going to buy it.
They've been pressing charges against ROM sites and leakers for years and games keep setting new sales records, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Also they used to be WAY worse about taking down YouTube videos of Nintendo content. You used to have to register for their program to use their footage at all, and then you had to stick to only their pre-approved list of gamesIdk if I necessarily agree. Since Nintendo is becoming extremely anti-consumer and anti-creator lately (ie. the issues with Gary Bowser and now pointcrow), it may push a lot of people to pirate just to avoid giving money to Nintendo. People used to just pirate for the higher fps but now they’ve given people a lot of moral reasons not to buy from them.
They always say that and in the end Nintendo games break sell records left and right.Idk if I necessarily agree. Since Nintendo is becoming extremely anti-consumer and anti-creator lately (ie. the issues with Gary Bowser and now pointcrow), it may push a lot of people to pirate just to avoid giving money to Nintendo. People used to just pirate for the higher fps but now they’ve given people a lot of moral reasons not to buy from them.
99% of people who claim to pirate games simply for the sake sticking it to Nintendo are either trying to get a reaction out of Nintendo fans, were never planning to play the game at all and are just console warring, or are lying and would have pirated regardless of their stance. People absolutely will pirate the game, but the weird moralization justification is almost always internet hot air.Idk if I necessarily agree. Since Nintendo is becoming extremely anti-consumer and anti-creator lately (ie. the issues with Gary Bowser and now pointcrow), it may push a lot of people to pirate just to avoid giving money to Nintendo. People used to just pirate for the higher fps but now they’ve given people a lot of moral reasons not to buy from them.
The number of people who pirate for "moral" reasons were not only never going to buy the game to begin with, but also do not represent any meaningful portion of the Switch market. We've seen worse games with much stronger boycott pushes still go on to sell big numbers; this crowd isn't even gonna come close to making a scratch in sales for goddamn Zelda.Idk if I necessarily agree. Since Nintendo is becoming extremely anti-consumer and anti-creator lately (ie. the issues with Gary Bowser and now pointcrow), it may push a lot of people to pirate just to avoid giving money to Nintendo. People used to just pirate for the higher fps but now they’ve given people a lot of moral reasons not to buy from them.
Common Kotaku ???it's fucked up that legal dumping is so difficult while finding an iso is so easy
as such I don't expect to hear about any significant impact. kotaku will run a piece about how to do it though
Even disregarding both moral concerns and ease of setting up emulation, I'd bet most Switch owners planning to buy TotK don't even own a PC powerful enough to emulate a Switch. It's not super demanding, but you still need a PC that the average Joe consumer probably doesn't have.
While yes, the common user is probably not going to pirate it because of this, you can pirate games directly in the switch without any hack at all: account selling. This shit is getting more popular in Mexico and you only need to know how to link an account. Here is a current example of prices of games selling online via secondary accounts and even give you discount for buying more than one (just divide the price by 18 and you got USD prices)
And they have groups on FB/WA/Telegram in case you want to know the reputation of the sellers, and yes they have big posts of "Zelda TotK is coming soon, remember you can pay on Oxxo(the biggest chain of convenience stores here) and Seven Eleven" and you don't even need a credit card. I know kids and parents who has bought all their games like this and the common answer when I question them about getting worried if the account banned is "well, it was cheap, we can always buy a different account"
it was always going to leak around this time. Heck Smash Ultimate leaked even earlierPiracy may not affect sales but this game will probably be one of the most pirated ever.
One of the most anticipated games leaking more than 10 days early, without DRM, playable on an emulator with whatever mid setup you have. That’s craziness.
Didn’t expect that when created this thread.