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Part of the problem for Nintendo seems to be that Yuzu advertised the release on the emulator.how is yuzu responsible for Zelda TotK illegal downloads?
Part of the problem for Nintendo seems to be that Yuzu advertised the release on the emulator.how is yuzu responsible for Zelda TotK illegal downloads?
There's a witty follow up to this but I don't have the right brain thought for it.Dang, that's crazy. Which youtubers are playing on unoriginal hardware?
Big corpo will be fine here, fuck the big corpo there…Never used yuzu or any other Switch emulator but I stand with them on principle. The big corporation will be fine, I assure you.
Please, find better arguments than chaGPT.So when the next Zelda game get downloaded 5 million times and gets leaked by of hundreds of youtube videos before official release Nintendo should just be happy about it?
Oh my bob, this is exactly how I've been feeling about a lot of this situation.I'll just say I find the idea of an emulator dev having a patreon kinda gross. Feels so ... gentrified
You're supposed to download emulators with the same slightly nervous energy as when you used a fake ID for the first time, and you're meant to get ROMs off sketchy-ass sites with 1 real download button and 5 much more obvious fake ones that could all brick your shitty laptop, just as our forefathers did before us
I'll just say I find the idea of an emulator dev having a patreon kinda gross. Feels so ... gentrified
You're supposed to download emulators with the same slightly nervous energy as when you used a fake ID for the first time, and you're meant to get ROMs off sketchy-ass sites with 1 real download button and 5 much more obvious fake ones that could all brick your shitty laptop, just as our forefathers did before us
I don’t mind if people pirate anything, but it really bugs me when they act like they’re better than someone who pays for it. Switch generation has been really annoying for this because it got cracked early.It probably boils down to people getting cocky. The amount of bragging on Twitter about pirating the game on launch was pretty big, Even Reggie responded to someone bragging about it. Icarus and the sun and all that.
I read this post to the sound of "System of a Down - The Legend of Zelda.exe"I'll just say I find the idea of an emulator dev having a patreon kinda gross. Feels so ... gentrified
You're supposed to download emulators with the same slightly nervous energy as when you used a fake ID for the first time, and you're meant to get ROMs off sketchy-ass sites with 1 real download button and 5 much more obvious fake ones that could all brick your shitty laptop, just as our forefathers did before us
If they're not an Archie Comics legal team, then they should be competent; they've probably been building up evidence for a while.So if im understanding correctly, part of the claim is that because game releases require patching to get the emulator to run the game perfectly, having games release day 1 fully patched on said emulator suggests the devs used pirated versions of the game to patch up these games ahead of time?
If so, Nintendo would have to prove it, but considering they waited this long, they must have more than just a hunch.
recruiting ryujinx would give them a more accurate emulator thoIt's all a smoke screen. They sent a cease and desist because they're actually going to recruit the Yuzu devs to aid in the development of Switch 2's emulation layer for backwards compatibility. /j
The Ryujinx team has been super critical of Yuzu for a while because of this, that's why I mentioned earlier this thread that if Yuzu goes away Ryujinx is still an alternative because they've generally been much cleaner and less blatant with advertising.So if im understanding correctly, part of the claim is that because game releases require patching to get the emulator to run the game perfectly, having games release day 1 fully patched on said emulator suggests the devs used pirated versions of the game to patch up these games ahead of time?
If so, Nintendo would have to prove it, but considering they waited this long, they must have more than just a hunch.
The phrase “It’s always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games” has been thrown around quite often on social media the past few years. To me, it reeks of people looking for some sort of self-justification for their actions.I don’t mind if people pirate anything, but it really bugs me when they act like they’re better than someone who pays for it. Switch generation has been really annoying for this because it got cracked early.
I'm of the opinion they should allow the NSO games on PC, but I fail to see how putting modern games on steam would help anything other than to tank their hardware sales. Plus in either scenario pirates will still find other reasons to pirate.If only there was a world where Nintendo offered official mod support and video output to any type of screen! Like steam. Then you could do all the legal stuff you wanted to do and be separated from the piracy aspect.
will people apply the same to Sony and MS after their brutal lay-offs? Doubt itThe phrase “It’s always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games” has been thrown around quite often on social media the past few years. To me, it reeks of people looking for some sort of self-justification for their actions.
Oh no, they don't have to do that (offer games like a 3rd party) I mean official mod support on their system and then let you output onto another screen. So you stay on their ecosystem but get to do all the things modders/emulator enthusiasts love, or at least most of it. Without any of the illegal piracy.I'm of the opinion they should allow the NSO games on PC, but I fail to see how putting modern games on steam would help anything other than to tank their hardware sales. Plus in either scenario pirates will still find other reasons to pirate.
My hope is that if this does go in Nintendos favor, it's just Yuzu that goes under and everything else is just left alone. Emulation lives another day and at worst there are bruised egos from pirates.The Ryujinx team has been super critical of Yuzu for a while because of this, that's why I mentioned earlier this thread that if Yuzu goes away Ryujinx is still an alternative because they've generally been much cleaner and less blatant with advertising.
Yeah. I think that from the piracy perspective, the users can get fucked. But from a legitimate buyer trying to enter the Wind Temple without the framerate and resolution absolutely tanking, I get it.
Edit: Something we’ll never get the data for, but I’d be very curious to see, is just how many users are legitimate owners of the games they’re playing. It’s why I find myself pretty cynical when it comes to proponents of emulation of modern Nintendo games. Anecdotally, most people I know in person that have dabbled absolutely do not own the games they’re booting up. Wouldn’t be surprising to find the majority of legitimate users probably reside on forums like this.
You are right. Emulating your owned games is legal. But pirating games is not. We shouldn't pretend that all 1,000,000 of those people playing early emulated copies of TotK went on to buy the game to make it "legal."This doesn't make sense because it's almost like it's giving some validity to the argument that Emulation is illegal or should be made illegal but in reality, nobody owes Nintendo or any company for that matter to not start making Emulators until the system is out of stock and no longer available. What does the age of the system have to do with anything?
Emulation is legal full stop. You can make an emulator for a system that's 24 hours old or 24 years old. Same thing.
What is meant here by 'output onto another screen', streaming?Oh no, they don't have to do that (offer games like a 3rd party) I mean official mod support on their system and then let you output onto another screen. So you stay on their ecosystem but get to do all the things modders/emulator enthusiasts love, or at least most of it. Without any of the illegal piracy.
Because this is always the argument in favor of emulators. Is that people are using their own stuff, their own games. Just modding them and also upscaling them. And people don't want that taken away from them. This is the non-illegal part that people want to stay.
I mean, probably? Ultimately, people have a tendency to try to justify their less-noble actions in order to prevent feelings of guilt, regardless of whether the justifications themselves actually hold up to scrutiny. For example, someone who pirates software may try to justify it by saying something along the lines of “big company bad” or “it’s <company’s> fault for having high prices.”will people apply the same to Sony and MS after their brutal lay-offs? Doubt it
Official mod support might be cool, not sure what you mean about a separate screen. Still think they should put the NSO games on PC, but not as part of NSO, more like offer them as a virtual console service where you can buy games individually on PC. I only think this because of that Gabe Newell quote, but realistically I don't think it would in anyway curb piracy of older Nintendo games.Oh no, they don't have to do that (offer games like a 3rd party) I mean official mod support on their system and then let you output onto another screen. So you stay on their ecosystem but get to do all the things modders/emulator enthusiasts love, or at least most of it. Without any of the illegal piracy.
Because this is always the argument in favor of emulators. Is that people are using their own stuff, their own games. Just modding them and also upscaling them. And people don't want that taken away from them. This is the non-illegal part that people want to stay.
Over the last few years there has been a deliberate move to demonize Nintendo, largely from major YouTubers. Mostly coming from reactionary takes in regards to aggressive, and often crappy, business practices. I feel as if because of this people are more willing to scrutinize everything Nintendo does than either Microsoft or Sony.will people apply the same to Sony and MS after their brutal lay-offs? Doubt it
Yeah. I think this case really is less "Nintendo vs Piracy" and more "Nintendo vs Specific Emulator Creator That May Have Done Something Very Stupid".They are against most emulators but it does seem like they found a vulnerability with Yuzu that could make things difficult for them.
Make no mistake, Yuzu is in DEEP trouble if the allegations Nintendo is being made are true
They seem more obsessed with emulating their games rather than destroying them. Maybe they do feel good to give a Big Corporation a middle finger as well, but who doesn't?The hackers will do everything they can to hack into Switch 2, they seem obsessed about destroying Nintendo, as evidence by their Subreddits and youtube videos, they are aiming to kill Nintendo as a company true their efforts, and they will succeed in the future if nothing changes.
IIRC hardware sales make a little bit more than half of Nintendo's total revenue, so even you don't buy anything in a modded Switch, Nintendo still gets your money. That's not the case for emulation.I would've thought console modding is the bigger "threat". I'm still astonished by how easy is to alter a Switch these days.
Jesus Christ, why do people actually justify pirating constantly?For the people ITT who are implying piracy is impacting nintendo in any meaningful way, I want you to do this simple exercise:
Go on any illegal switch rom website and look at download numbers, run through multiple if you're so inclined, then look at top viewed switch emulation videos on youtube (iirc most are BsoD's emulation channel videos and maybe someOrdinaryGamers) and if you want, speculate a number I don't know, half? a quarter? a third? of those views are say, from people who actually watched and set up these emulators only to play illegally obtained roms.
Now, go on nintendo financial report websites, compare these numbers with their switch game sales numbers. It doesn't even make a dent.
The average nintendo enjoyer doesn't give a damn or barely even knows emulators.
If something were to happen to nintendo due to emulation being widely available, it would've happened already, years ago. The reason it doesn't is simple:
Nintendo makes unique software+hardware experiences that can't be emulated PROPERLY on PC.
- the wii remote: even IF you connect one to a pc, many people don't have one, only a mouse and keyboard and even IF they bought one, it's definitely not as intuitive or appealing as turning on a wii, being greeted by that sleek interface (which I know emulators can run, but stay with me here), putting a disk and hitting play and having everything work percectly without setting anything up
- the dual screen ds/3ds and 3d display: this one doesn't need an explanation. yes, I know you can use split screen or another monitor and no, it's not intuitive, it's not the same, the other monitor needs to be touch-enabled otherwise you have to use a mouse
- the whole joycons concept: emulators do many of the things these controllers do in the most hacky way possible: your controller has no nfc support? oh, you have to use the mouse, pick from a list of amiibo and THEN grab your controller once again. your controller has no gyro support? too bad. you won't be able to finish a couple dungeons in zelda, what? you want a controller in can split in half and share with a friend? well, too bad, should have bought joycons then. what? they don't come with a joycon grip? well, at this point you might as well buy a switch.
And these are some only a couple of the examples, I could go on with this for hours.
Being skeptical about the financial damage a company suffered from piracy ≠ justifying piracy or even influencing someone to do so.Jesus Christ, why do people actually justify pirating constantly?
What you’re saying is like justifying shop lifting. “It’s ok because not a lot of people do it”.
Nintendo likely sent them a C&D relatively shortly after TotK's release and then got to work on this lawsuit. A big corporation has no need to rush when pursuing a case like this. That makes the lawyers charge more and won't have any impact on the outcome.Was moreso referring to why the lawsuit was filed right now as opposed to say, shortly after TOTKs release (when it might have been more appropriate timewise, since that's when Yuzu got public attention). The actual stuff they are suing over hasn't much to do with profiting from the piracy itself via Google Play specifically, but it's a "known factor" that one of the quickest ways to get Nintendo's legal team after you is to commercialize anything related to their games or systems.
It's the classic argument of if those sales were actually lost in any significant way.
Historical evidence suggests that no, those 'lost sales' would not have translated into real sales for Nintendo. The people who wanted to pirate will not have purchased the game if they couldn't emulate. The film and music industries try to argue this point for many years and haven't gotten anywhere with it either.
Even putting that aside, I don't even see it as a good moral argument. Raw horsepower is not a free lunch, if the Switch was more powerful I could just as easily make the argument that it's Nintendo's fault for making their console too expensive....I don't think "Your hardware is underpowered so emulation is ok" is gonna hold up in court
The real reason switch 2 got delayed
The phrase “It’s always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games” has been thrown around quite often on social media the past few years. To me, it reeks of people looking for some sort of self-justification for their actions.
That phrase 'always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games' was coined by Stephanie Sterling way back. Pretty sure the reason was that Nintendo 'stole' money from a lot of YouTubers by messing with monetization by abusing copyright.will people apply the same to Sony and MS after their brutal lay-offs? Doubt it
That phrase 'always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games' was coined by Stephanie Sterling way back. Pretty sure the reason was that Nintendo 'stole' money from a lot of YouTubers by messing with monetization by abusing copyright.
The term has no real justification beyond this, so piracy of other publishers' games cannot hide behind that 'argument'.
If people get screwed over by Nintendo abusing copyright grounds on youtube, it's pretty understandable for them to be resentful of them.Some people just hate Nintendo that much, huh?
Yeah. This is really a case of Yuzu apparently not only flying too close to the sun, but flipping it off.I am confused by how many people online think this is outrageous. Yuzu bragged about releasing games early and ran a Patreon that made money, Nintendo is not insane for following this up. Whether or not it's fair is an entirely different question.
"Nintendo Bad mentality"I am confused by how many people online think this is outrageous. Yuzu bragged about releasing games early and ran a Patreon that made money, Nintendo is not insane for following this up. Whether or not it's fair is an entirely different question.
Can you provide a source, or anything more concrete than your personal assurance?The smaller-mid sized studios are being absolutely being impacted by piracy, I assure you.