Yeah. Arguably Fire Emblem too, which has gone from almost going dormant to a revival that has ended up with it being a series that headlines directs for them. It to Nintendo’s advantage to have a variety of game types. They don’t all need to be 30m sellers, but if one is every few years, then that lets the others continue to experiment and grow.
Ring Fit Adventure is nowhere close to being niche
Yep, rising tide raises all ships. I bet its the reason
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lol please. Nintendo should know themselves. Whenever they put sequels out on a same system the sequel like 99% of the time sells worse than the first game.Kit and Krysta believe that Nintendo is disappointed in TOTK sales
I find this claim very dubious, being disappointed in 20 million in less than a year?
Kit and Krysta seemed to think so earlier...
Kit and Krysta believe that Nintendo is disappointed in TOTK sales
I find this claim very dubious, being disappointed in 20 million in less than a year?
Kit and Krysta seemed to think so earlier...
It's hard to know how Nintendo calculated the cost of TOTK, though, because if the development cost was $70 million, that means there was also a significant portion of promotional and advertising costs, and the total cost must have topped $100 million, possibly $140 million.
I don't have anything concrete to aid my suspicion here but I do personally think their total investment into TOTK was in the 70-90 million threshold (much closer to the lower end) and I do not think their marketing brought them above 100 million.
Yes, I too came to that conclusion out of inflated calculations, and I do have a gut feeling they should have invested around $100 million in TOTK rather than higher.
Lmfao no. Microsoft is only in the business of mega hits since the actiblizz purchase and that's why they buggered tango and a4kane because they're nit going to make bloody enormous bloody successful games. Their thinking is if they have all these massive games anything else is just a waste of money. Expect more closures or restructuring in the next few years
Thing is, if the initial burst of sales is so huge, then that just means you made your profit sooner rather than later. So why would TOTK trailing off even matter anymore if you've already gotten such a phenomenal result?
If Nintendo expected it to become an evergreen in the same manner as the original BOTW, then it's a bit disappointing because with an evergreen, the idea isn't necessarily about getting all the money right out of the gate, but having a product that will continue selling strongly even months or years later, so you have a nice, dependable stream of income every quarter.
This argument doesn't necessarily hold water in my opinion, Nintendo's biggest feat in the switch generation was lifting the Legend of Zelda, which previously stopped at less than 9 million copies sold, into a 20 million level series. The Legend of Zelda was basically on par with 3d Mario within the company during the Satoru Iwata era, and even more so now, and I don't think they'd be any less happy with the results at this stage.
Agree to disagree : )
Nintendo has enough experience to know that sequels on the same console aren't going to hit the same heights as the first release. Did they really expect anything other than "TOTK slowly but surely gets to 20M?" If they didn't, then there's no downside to TOTK instead having these sales be frontloaded. If they did, then they weren't paying attention.
lol yeah it doesn't make sense. And bet the next one will be less than 20 million.
Not expecting switch2 to be as successful as switch1, but if switch2 ends up selling around 120 to 130 million in its career, there will still be three to four 30 million level games for sure, like the new Mario Kart and the new AC and smash. The new 3d Mario and 3d Zelda will both be in the 20 million level.
Just looking at the sales trajectory, totk sold roughly between 300,000 and 400,000 in one quarter of this year, so for reference 2020 botw's sales were over 21 million. I think another big reason other than direct sequels not being able to reach the sales heights of their predecessors is that the switch is entering its end of life and totk is doing incredibly well compared to SS.
Nintendo is EATING off of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Got Miyamoto talking reckless.
lol
If you look at the numbers on Steam, it's usually 30%.
TotK is just way too similar to BotW (which is still selling and partly cannibalizing its sales), I'm not sure it was ever going to be a phenomenon on the level of BotW. They probably want a clean cut between the Switch 1 and Switch 2 Zeldas.
Miyamoto is a legendary developer but seems like a kinda shitty boss.
At Nintendo, Working All Night Is 'Mario Time'
Over the years, game development companies have found all sorts of euphemisms for unpaid overtime, but Nintendo’s might be the best. If legendary designer Shigeru Miyamoto ever comes up and tells you it’s “Mario time,” you’re in for a long night.kotaku.com
That said, Nintendo has extremely high employee retention, so I guess workers have something giving them a reason to stay.
Yeah, I've experienced it. When I started grad school, the then-director, on one of the first meetings and consequent meetings would say stuff like: "In my days people sleep in their office",etc. We work in the summer as instructors and we basically had 12+ hours shifts most days. It was a pretty rigid work mentality that actually made 3 of my colleagues either quit or move programs.
Nintendo expat employees at the time have said that the development atmosphere of Mario 64 was very depressing, which is what actually happened to Japanese companies of that era due to the massive escalation in workload and number of developers in the face of the wave of 3dization. And the change first appeared in the Tokyo development team, who switched to a roundtable idea development model when making Mario Galaxy, where everyone was eligible to present ideas at the roundtable and vote on them collectively, a system that was later popularized throughout Nintendo during the wiiu and switch eras, and under which BOTW was born.
Yeah the headlines about this are so eyeroll worthy
That's because while he is a good creator, there's so many stories from employees about him being a colossal drongo that it's not surprising that he says some stuff that's taken badly. He forced the people on Mariio Galaxy 2 to make don't planets despite the engine not really supporting that, and stories from metroid prime's development had them also constantly fight Miyamotos bizarre requests.
This is a fundamental difference between Japanese developer and American developer, and I wouldn't recommend adding more moral judgment here.
That's fair, he just sounds horrible to work for IMO. Still, I've never been in any meaningful employment due to life long disability so I don't know much.
The simple explanation is that from an American perspective many Japanese developers (mainly producers) have an attribute of being dictators, but that's not actually true, it's just the power structure of the Japanese game industry that dictates it. In fact Nintendo's overtime issues were already considered relatively mild throughout the Japanese industry at that point.
I absolutely don't have the details about this situation, but I was assuming that Metroid Prime was in a bad state when Miyamoto did not want to show it at E3 2001. So I assumed that it was also his requests had improved the game significantly. Was I wrong all these years?
As far as I understand you're right going by the fact that both Tanabe and Shigeru Miyamoto, their importance to project management cannot be overstated, and Shigeru Miyamoto both screwed up something (TWW) and saved something (prime, Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages, TP) 20 years ago.
What did he screw up with TWW?
