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Leaked images reveal Lenovo’s Steam Deck competitor with a hint of the Switch
It apparently has removable controllers.
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Maybe it can find space in an enthusiast niche, it looks quite thick, so maybe it has good specs, although the detachable controllers point at an intended wide audience by Lenovo.This thing will live and die by the pricetag. The only way it survives is if it's cheap. Nintendo and Valve already dominate the handheld gaming scene.
Really? I thought their laptops are highly regarded. Hardware wise, aren’t Thinkpads one of the best windows laptops?From an ergonomic standpoint the controllers look better than the joycons already. That being said it’s Lenovo and their stuff if pretty crap so I don’t expect the hardware to be of the best quality.
The IBM thinkpads where legendary, lenovo thinkpads at the start where meh, their mainstream thinkpad branded lines are fine i gues, but a lot of tech companies use either HP, DELL or Lenovo Thinkpads. They are fine computers for the most part.Really? I thought their laptops are highly regarded. Hardware wise. Aren’t Thinkpads one of the best windows laptop?
Perhaps. Importantly, if the ergonomics are more acceptable to a larger number maybe this could be a boost to acceptance of split controllers. We need more split controllers.From an ergonomic standpoint the controllers look better than the joycons already.
It's Windows, so it'll be "dockable" by default assuming there's some port on the thing capable of outputting HD video. Gonna guess that it has a USB C port capable of that like the rest of the competition, so any old USB C dock will work. Maybe Lenovo will have their own dock they sell alongside this thing or include, maybe not. If that is the form factor they are going with it'd make sense to have an official one, but if they don't (or if it's insanely overpriced) then they assume people will just have their own solution.I'm trying to get the point of the Switch style controllers. They don't seem to be designed for a P1/P2 experience, they look like a controller that is designed from a solo player's perspective (think how the layout of each joycon is fairly uniform - stick + diamond buttons). I can only assume that this is for a dockable experience, but I didn't read anything about a dock.
And don't forget what they did with Superfish. Immediately turned me away from ever buying anything Lenovo.From an ergonomic standpoint the controllers look better than the joycons already. That being said it’s Lenovo and their stuff if pretty crap so I don’t expect the hardware to be of the best quality.
Thank you for bringing this up! I've never heard about this before (around the time that happened, I didn't really give attention to stuff like it), and it honestly makes me feel pretty iffy (even more than before, tbh) about my current Lenovo laptop.And don't forget what they did with Superfish. Immediately turned me away from ever buying anything Lenovo.
Competition is good. it'd be nice if people didn't always have to copy Nintendo for these types of innovations and make their own, but competition will only make Nintendo put better effort into their future consoles. Make their future consoles stand out a bit more. I personally want a machine that is Switch-like that can have legitimate VR. That makes it a triple threat.
Nintendo and Valve already dominate the handheld gaming scene.
I mean, their respective dominance is obviously relative to the market as a whole. The (handheld) console market thus far has proven to be a much larger one than the (younger) handheld PC market. Relatively speaking, the Deck definitely dominates the latter, but we're talking about a much smaller market segment to begin with. Where 80m+ handheld consoles sold is seen as a success for Nintendo and formerly PlayStation, we're looking at a few tens to hundreds of thousands handheld PCs before the Deck entered the market. 3m+ then is quite the achievement there.While Steam Deck still is a quite new device on the market and seems to be selling well, it has from what I gather sold no more than 3m units this far. Kinda pales in comparison to the Switches 125m units. My point is that you are very correct that price point is everything if a product aims to more than super niche for rich enthusiasts.
On the bright side, I bet Lenovo won’t continue to sell Lenovo-Cons with extreme stick drift issues even 6 years after they release this!This is why I'm glad Nintendo is filing all those patents. It makes me disappointed in humanity to see these things.
Correction. Nintendo dominates the handheld market!!This thing will live and die by the pricetag. The only way it survives is if it's cheap. Nintendo and Valve already dominate the handheld gaming scene.
I know this isn’t 100% relevant, but Lenovo has the most reliable x86 servers with the best uptime. More supercomputers use Lenovo systems than any other server maker as well. They can make good stuff, although I don’t expect this product to be that impressiveFrom an ergonomic standpoint the controllers look better than the joycons already. That being said it’s Lenovo and their stuff if pretty crap so I don’t expect the hardware to be of the best quality.
Handheld Windows could’ve worked if we still had the Windows 8 start menu. It worked really well for tablets and then once they switched over to 10’s hamburger style tablet mode, it just didn’t work as well anymore. Either way, SteamOS is just better in general for a console.Windows does not work in the handheld form factor, it doesn't matter who makes the hardware.
Windows 8 style UI would work but it's still not great (at least from how poorly it translates to Xbox One/Series); that said, the presence of a touch screen would presumably change things.Handheld Windows could’ve worked if we still had the Windows 8 start menu. It worked really well for tablets and then once they switched over to 10’s hamburger style tablet mode, it just didn’t work as well anymore. Either way, SteamOS is just better in general for a console.
Why? It's competition, and that's healthy. Not everything has to innovate.This is why I'm glad Nintendo is filing all those patents. It makes me disappointed in humanity to see these things.
"I'm glad Nintendo is filling all these patents." They literally patented some mechanics that have been in games far before Zelda TOTK. If you aren't being sarcastic, that's the type of response that comes from someone who only buys Nintendo consoles and then gets sad that it can't run 3rd party games and/or games that have been on PC/Xbox/PS, but never on a Nintendo console. I was once like that too. Nothing but jealousy for 3rd party games.This is why I'm glad Nintendo is filing all those patents. It makes me disappointed in humanity to see these things.
I’m personally very happy with my Lenovo Legion Notebook. I don‘t know where this is coming from but Lenovo laptops are generally well regarded when it comes to high performance but still usable as a working machine.From an ergonomic standpoint the controllers look better than the joycons already. That being said it’s Lenovo and their stuff if pretty crap so I don’t expect the hardware to be of the best quality.
Your last sentence made me laugh. Such a nice sentence with the secret implication that "your VR idea is idiotic". Once I thought about it it's kinda like yeah, that might be too much, and people would see that as a "Nintendo has gone too far" like you hinted at with the motion sensing. That's fair. I want one personally but for widespread attention, better not to advertise or include VR.Problem is cost. It would more likely be the Wii U gamepad or the Xbox one Kinect all over again. VR is such a niche that any console device built in as a system level feature that everyone would have to pay for whether they like it or not, means that the company would have an extreme uphill battle to get the whole thing in to comes. It's be more like a zero threat than a triple one
Legion Go confirmed launch details
Exclusive: Legion Go is priced at €799 with 8.8-inch QHD+ screen & Super Rapid Charge; arrives September 1
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- An official document confirms the Lenovo Legion Go rumors we've shared so far
- The gaming handheld will be unveiled on September 1st, and you can buy it for €799/$799 in October
- Impressively, the specs sheet details a massive 8.8” QHD+ (2560 x 1600) screen
- Fast charging, bigger battery and a complete couch-to-go experience makes the Legion Go a worthy choice
Lenovo Legion Go | |
Dimensions (L x W x H) | Base Module: (mm): 210mm x 131mm x 20mm (inches): 8.27″ x 5.15″ x 0.79" Base Module w/ Controllers Attached: (mm): 299mm x 131mm x 41mm (inches): 11.8" x 5.15" x 1.61" |
Weight | Controllers Detached: 640g (1.41lbs) Controllers Attached: 854g (1.88lbs) |
Color | Shadow Black |
Display | 8.8" QHD+ (2560 x 1600) IPS; 16:10 10-point Touch (144Hz / 97% DCI-P3 / 500nits / 83%AAR |
Touchpad | Multi-finger |
Processor | Up to AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme with AMD RDNA Graphics |
Memory | 16GB 7500Mhz LPDDR5X on board |
Storage | 256GB / 512GB / 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 2242 |
Operating System | Windows 11 Home |
Battery | 2-cell 49.2WHr Super Rapid Charge2 Controller battery capacity: 900mah2 |
Power Adapter | USB Type-C, 65W AC adapter Output: 20V DC, 3.25A, 65W Input: 100~240V AC 50/60 universal |
Ports | Top 3.5mm audio combo jack1 x USB Type-C (USB 4.0, DisplayPort™ 1.4, Power Delivery 3.0)1 x microSD card reader Bottom 1x USB Type-C (USB 4.0, DisplayPort 1.4, Power Delivery 3.0) |
Control and Input | Gamepad Controls Legion L/RABXY buttonsD-padL & R hall effect joysticksL & R bumpersL & R analog triggersLegion L & R buttonsView button (L)Menu button (L)Trackpad (R)6 x assignable grip buttons1 x mouse wheel (R)1x mouse sensor (R)2 x controllers release buttons Haptics: HD haptics Gyro: 6-Axis IMU |
Audio | 2 x 2W SpeakersDual-array near-field microphone |
Connectivity | 2 x 2 Wi-Fi 6E (802.11 ax)3Starting from Bluetooth® 5.2 |
Software | Legion Space Xbox Game Pass Ultimate – Complimentary 3-month membership |
Because split controllers are awesome. Good on Lenovo for trying to show people that things aren't better when both hands are bound together in your lap.Unless you're doing the two players thingie I don't get the reasoning behind using detachable controllers, even for docking (or their AR glasses stuff) I would rather use a standard controller.
Only handheld I've seen where it makes sense is the one where the tablet is effectively used as a VR screen also (tho the ergonomics don't look that great).
So true. I spent 1000€ on my gaming laptop from lenovo and it was dreadful. So much so that I bought the Xbox just because I couldn't stand gaming on it. Then again, gaming laptops tend to be shit.From an ergonomic standpoint the controllers look better than the joycons already. That being said it’s Lenovo and their stuff if pretty crap so I don’t expect the hardware to be of the best quality.
My biggest issue with the thing is the size (and the weight doesn't inspire confidence either!). As someone with pretty mid-sized hands, I find the Deck to be borderline already in terms of ergonomics. The Legion Go, then, seems even less fitting for me, even though I like what they're offering here with regards to screen, battery, SoC, etc. 1440p isn't even that dumb a choice, tbf. Makes 720p games scale better.
The funny thing from my perspective is:The even larger issue is, to me, the fact that the games I prefer to play handheld are (except for yakuza) already on the Switch. Neither the Deck nor any other handhelds really offer that much to make me spend 600 or 700€ just to play the same things that I play on the Switch (plus GOW and Yakuza I guess). I do get why they are more for enthusiasts, and if I were in a better financial situation, I might bite but for now... It is very much not for me.
Seriously, if the Yakuza (sigh, and Sekiro) would make the jump to Switch, it would be the perfect system for me. Especially Yakuza.The even larger issue is, to me, the fact that the games I prefer to play handheld are (except for yakuza) already on the Switch. Neither the Deck nor any other handhelds really offer that much to make me spend 600 or 700€ just to play the same things that I play on the Switch (plus GOW and Yakuza I guess). I do get why they are more for enthusiasts, and if I were in a better financial situation, I might bite but for now... It is very much not for me.
Seems like a waste of energy to get worked up over it.Nintendo fans will shit on this but I think it's pretty neat
the trailer for this got leaked as well.
the focus on Microsoft and Bethesda games is incredibly amusing.
it feels like MS is willing to do everything except make their own Xbox handheld by this point.
the trailer for this got leaked as well.
the focus on Microsoft and Bethesda games is incredibly amusing.
it feels like MS is willing to do everything except make their own Xbox handheld by this point.
Have the handheld run full blown Windows and make a modified environment akin to Tablet mode in Windows 10. Make specific configs for these games to run as well as they can on the hardware and disable stuff like edge and other apps from taking resources.making an xbox handheld would be pointless when they struggle to support the Series they got now. asking devs to hit 3 targets would be a bridge too far, I suspect. supporting handheld PCs is easier since they don't really have to do anything. and they refuse to do anything despite windows being very unfriendly to gaming tablets
it's not like people at MS doesn't want to. MS just doesn't devote resources to itHave the handheld run full blown Windows and make a modified environment akin to Tablet mode in Windows 10. Make specific configs for these games to run as well as they can on the hardware and disable stuff like edge and other apps from taking resources.