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Film Dune: Part Two | March 1, 2024

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I've never read the books, and went to the cinema having only having watched a trailer. It was my favorite movie in years. Don't know if I should now or watch them "blind" like I did with LotR 20 years ago.
 
I just am thinking right now, what a year of hype. We are truly blessed.
 
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Bokuringo said:
I've never read the books, and went to the cinema having only having watched a trailer. It was my favorite movie in years. Don't know if I should now or watch them "blind" like I did with LotR 20 years ago.
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I think if I were in your shoes I’d watch part 2, let it sink in, then go find the original books. I’d skip pretty much everything since that Frank Herbert didn’t write though. The original was such a stunningly original work in 1965, it blew my mind as a kid. I think the original book is by far the strongest element, but there are also strong themes that you miss by only reading or watching Paul’s initial arc (and that every cinematic translation never really gets to dig into), which make the sequels engaging too. I remember reading the first 4/5 books then going back and reading them all again to see what I missed!

Probably the first fantasy/sci-fi universe to really do that for me, I was very young when I found a copy of Dune in the school library.
 
PixelKnight said:
I think if I were in your shoes I’d watch part 2, let it sink in, then go find the original books. I’d skip pretty much everything since that Frank Herbert didn’t write though. The original was such a stunningly original work in 1965, it blew my mind as a kid. I think the original book is by far the strongest element, but there are also strong themes that you miss by only reading or watching Paul’s initial arc (and that every cinematic translation never really gets to dig into), which make the sequels engaging too. I remember reading the first 4/5 books then going back and reading them all again to see what I missed!

Probably the first fantasy/sci-fi universe to really do that for me, I was very young when I found a copy of Dune in the school library.
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That's high praise from you. Yeah, taking into account the time it takes to read them, I'll stick to the movies and put the books on my pile.

Interesting that you got into Dune so early on. IIRC, I heard about it for the first time in my late teens or early 20s.
 
Bokuringo said:
That's high praise from you. Yeah, taking into account the time it takes to read them, I'll stick to the movies and put the books on my pile.

Interesting that you got into Dune so early on. IIRC, I heard about it for the first time in my late teens or early 20s.
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To be fair I spent a lot of my school years in the library, they had to practically kick me out into the playground. Then I’d go to the town library on the weekends too :)

I remember all the stuff in both was 60s/70s (presumably the librarian going on what they thought kids in the early 90s should be reading) so I read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy of that era. Frank Herbert, John Wyndham, Anne MacCaffrey, PK Dick.
 
Villeneuve is one of my favourite directors nowadays. His movies are so damn atmospheric. The first Dune was so excellent. An amazing cinematic experience, so excited for this.
 
PixelKnight said:
To be fair I spent a lot of my school years in the library, they had to practically kick me out into the playground. Then I’d go to the town library on the weekends too :)

I remember all the stuff in both was 60s/70s (presumably the librarian going on what they thought kids in the early 90s should be reading) so I read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy of that era. Frank Herbert, John Wyndham, Anne MacCaffrey, PK Dick.
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Ursula K. Le Guin!
 
PixelKnight said:
To be fair I spent a lot of my school years in the library, they had to practically kick me out into the playground. Then I’d go to the town library on the weekends too :)

I remember all the stuff in both was 60s/70s (presumably the librarian going on what they thought kids in the early 90s should be reading) so I read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy of that era. Frank Herbert, John Wyndham, Anne MacCaffrey, PK Dick.
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My Dad was a huge scifi nerd, so he got me into all the great 60s/70s writers. Though he did pull me aside one day, put his hands on my shoulders and say, "Dizzle? Read the first Dune book and stop there. Trust me."
 
Dizzle said:
My Dad was a huge scifi nerd, so he got me into all the great 60s/70s writers. Though he did pull me aside one day, put his hands on my shoulders and say, "Dizzle? Read the first Dune book and stop there. Trust me."
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A wise man :)
 
Dizzle said:
He also taught me how to play Rogue, and well, for better or worse here I am.
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My dad was a big reader too. He travelled a lot for work and always had a paperback in his briefcase, he’d say ‘I never mind waiting for an hour, it’s just surprise reading time.’ I have much the same philosophy and am now passing it on to my daughter. :)
 
PixelKnight said:
My dad was a big reader too. He travelled a lot for work and always had a paperback in his briefcase, he’d say ‘I never mind waiting for an hour, it’s just surprise reading time.’ I have much the same philosophy and am now passing it on to my daughter. :)
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That's very sweet, and something I want for my kid (who's still way too young to read).

I feel I've led us astray. Back on topic, I actually was not totally won over by Dune Part I, but this trailer looks a lot more engaging. Maybe I'll give Part II a shot.
 
Dizzle said:
That's very sweet, and something I want for my kid (who's still way too young to read).

I feel I've led us astray. Back on topic, I actually was not totally won over by Dune Part I, but this trailer looks a lot more engaging. Maybe I'll give Part II a shot.
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I think what I liked most was the atmosphere more than the acting or the script. That it gets the sense of unease and portent right.
 
PixelKnight said:
I think what I liked most was the atmosphere more than the acting or the script. That it gets the sense of unease and portent right.
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Yeah that's a good way to put it. It was a vibes movie, which I'm sometimes down for, but didn't totally work here.

Maybe the problem is Arrival? That movie has the vibes and the real emotions. I keep hoping Villeneuve will pull that off again, but he keeps directing these installments in franchises known for their coldness and doesn't find an emotional core. It's a bit of a disappointment.
 
Dizzle said:
Yeah that's a good way to put it. It was a vibes movie, which I'm sometimes down for, but didn't totally work here.

Maybe the problem is Arrival? That movie has the vibes and the real emotions. I keep hoping Villeneuve will pull that off again, but he keeps directing these installments in franchises known for their coldness and doesn't find an emotional core. It's a bit of a disappointment.
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The core of Dune is the feeling of fate conspiring to draw people toward a terrible future they cannot prevent. I think Villeneuve hones in on this unsettling sense of portent pretty well, but the first film was fundamentally half a story, so few of the payoffs have landed yet.
 
kvetcha said:
The core of Dune is the feeling of fate conspiring to draw people toward a terrible future they cannot prevent. I think Villeneuve hones in on this unsettling sense of portent pretty well, but the first film was fundamentally half a story, so few of the payoffs have landed yet.
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Yeah I'm open to that. The question is if Part II is willing to go that dark. I could see him copping out and going for the generic heroic narrative with the hint of darkness, just from the pressures of making a studio blockbusyer and having to satisfy the suits. We'll see.
 
Dizzle said:
Yeah I'm open to that. The question is if Part II is willing to go that dark. I could see him copping out and going for the generic heroic narrative with the hint of darkness, just from the pressures of making a studio blockbusyer and having to satisfy the suits. We'll see.
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I believe him when he says he’s been dreaming about making this movie since he was a teenager, and I know he’s read the Frank Herbert-penned sequels, so I trust he understands the complexity of what he’s going to have to portray. Especially if he wants to revisit it in a few years with Messiah.

of course, as you say, studios are studios, so maybe they take away his final cut or otherwise exert pressure on him, but they seemed pretty hands off with the first film, so.
 
kvetcha said:
I believe him when he says he’s been dreaming about making this movie since he was a teenager, and I know he’s read the Frank Herbert-penned sequels, so I trust he understands the complexity of what he’s going to have to portray. Especially if he wants to revisit it in a few years with Messiah.

of course, as you say, studios are studios, so maybe they take away his final cut or otherwise exert pressure on him, but they seemed pretty hands off with the first film, so.
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I think they realise Villeneuve is the only way this is successful for the moment - now whether they let him do Messiah... idk - I kinda feel like these two parts will finish the first two books and that will be that, but you never know. Dune: The SIsterhood (definitely not based on Frank Herbert work) getting out of development hell I would say is fairly up in the air right now given the writer's strike
 
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aus89 said:
I think they realise Villeneuve is the only way this is successful for the moment - now whether they let him do Messiah... idk - I kinda feel like these two parts will finish the first two books and that will be that, Dune: The SIsterhood (definitely not based on Frank Herbert work) getting out of development hell I would say is fairly up in the air right now given the writer's strike
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I would love nothing more than for him to get his hands on Messiah, but given his upcoming slate includes freaking Rendezvous with Rama, I’m fine waiting a few years.

Also, not shedding too many tears over Brian Herbert material potentially getting shelved.
 
kvetcha said:
I would love nothing more than for him to get his hands on Messiah, but given his upcoming slate includes freaking Rendezvous with Rama, I’m fine waiting a few years.

Also, not shedding too many tears over Brian Herbert material potentially getting shelved.
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yeah I suspect it will not be any time soon if we do get it - I just worry WB or Legendary will pull a Day Of The Soldado but hopefully not
 
Tried multiple times and couldn’t make it through half of the first movie.
 
I've actually started watching the Sci-Fi Channel adaption of Dune, ahead of Part 2 coming out.

Given that the main thing I've heard about it is that it had no budget, I've honestly been really pleasantly surprised by it so far (two third of the way through Season 1). Yes, the effects and sets look dated by today's standards, but compared to contemporaries like Farscape or Star Trek Voyager, you can tell the Sci-Fi absolutely chucked money at this series. Some of the background matte paintings look flat as anything, and some of the CG is woeful, but for a TV series that came out in the year 2000, I'm very impressed with the scope of what they were going for.

Some of the acting is a bit dodgy (looking at you Gurney) but the leads all nail the roles, and Ian McNeice is absolutely on point as the Baron. Much closer to his scheming, plotting portrayal in the books than the brusque, cold version in the recent movie. I liked Stellan Skarsgard's portrayal for what it is, but the Baron is much better when he has monologues and gloating.
 
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I bought the 4k blu-ray and have yet to watch it (haven't seen the film at all, but it was a good deal). Guess I have to start getting around to it!
 
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samouraï said:
holy fuck it looks good, kino incoming?
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It looks like absolute kino. I don't what happens I just hope to be alive when this movie comes out so I can watch it in ultra super mega dolby 4D XD IMAX
 
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oomoepoo said:
Here's hoping this isn't another 2 hours prequel for the actual plot happening 😂
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When Herbert wrote “There is in all things a pattern in our universe. It has symmetry, elegance and grace”, I’m not sure he meant the pattern of management not paying creatives properly.

Still, I’m looking forward to part 2! I hope they go on to film God-Emperor of Dune too, or at least Dune Messiah, rather than just leaving Paul’s story halfway through. The end of Dune makes an obvious, neat jumping-off point I guess but misses a large chunk of what Herbert was getting at re. heroes, doctrine and destiny etc.
 
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PixelKnight said:
When Herbert wrote “There is in all things a pattern in our universe. It has symmetry, elegance and grace”, I’m not sure he meant the pattern of management not paying creatives properly.

Still, I’m looking forward to part 2! I hope they go on to film God-Emperor of Dune too, or at least Dune Messiah, rather than just leaving Paul’s story halfway through. The end of Dune makes an obvious, neat jumping-off point I guess but misses a large chunk of what Herbert was getting at re. heroes, doctrine and destiny etc.
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Dune Messiah totally kicks ass and would make so many people angry I imagine
 
Actually this got delayed because I called them up and told them to hold off until I've read the books. "Dune 2?", I said. "You're Dune 2 much!"
 
PixelKnight said:
When Herbert wrote “There is in all things a pattern in our universe. It has symmetry, elegance and grace”, I’m not sure he meant the pattern of management not paying creatives properly.

Still, I’m looking forward to part 2! I hope they go on to film God-Emperor of Dune too, or at least Dune Messiah, rather than just leaving Paul’s story halfway through. The end of Dune makes an obvious, neat jumping-off point I guess but misses a large chunk of what Herbert was getting at re. heroes, doctrine and destiny etc.
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Phosphorescent Skeleton said:
Dune Messiah totally kicks ass and would make so many people angry I imagine
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Villeneuve has repeatedly expressed interest in filming Messiah as Part 3 in a few years.
 
Gee, it's almost as if they should pay their actors and writers fairly or something instead of delaying...

Ramune said:
Actually this got delayed because I called them up and told them to hold off until I've read the books. "Dune 2?", I said. "You're Dune 2 much!"
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If you were Scottish you could also say "What are you Dune?!"
 
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Holy crap. They must be expecting big things out of Part II if they're already green lighting Messiah.

I do wonder if they'll leave it at a trilogy, or if the films do well if they will try their luck at adapting Children and God Emperor as well. It seems unlikely, but Warner are pretty desperate for some profitable movie franchises ATM, and if Pt II and Messiah make money, I'm not sure Zaslav will want to just stop.
 
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Really pleased to see this, the whole point of Dune’s story over the next couple of books is that it subverts Paul’s hero’s journey, even if that initial journey can kinda work as a neatly packaged standalone story in its own right.
 
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