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Yep. And Mario Wonder is week 42? Give or take. Because I'm betting 2023 will win every week after that as well. Is there anything launching between those two periods?
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Sales Data Famitsu Sales Week 27, 2023 (Jun. 26-Jul. 02)
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I don't believe that. There is nothing realistic that Sony or Microsoft could do to hurt Nintendo given just how strong their first party IP are. But Sony locking up Japanese games like FF16, FF7 Remake and Rebirth, Forspoken, Silent Hill 2, etc is all about fucking with Xbox. Just like how they got timed exclusivity on Ghostwire and Deathloop and tried to get Starfield. Sony wants Microsoft out of the market. Problem now is that Microsoft is throwing big money around. I'm sure Microsoft would love to get Final Fantasy 7 Remake on Game Pass given how hard they are going for Japanese games like Persona and Yakuza.
Games like FF16, FF7 Remake, Forspoken, etc were never going to come to Nintendo consoles. Just like how Persona 3 Reload isn't coming to Switch. No nefarious reason. Either hardware differences, timing, budget, etc. And Nintendo doesn't have to care because the Super Mario RPG remake is probably going outsell most of those at a fraction of the budget.
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Switch will probably be between 129-130 million by quarter 26, the earnings report on August 3rd is when we get this quarters sales.
As of 31 March, 2023
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I don't think Sony or Nintendo ever really cared that much about what the other was doing but it's probably even less so than ever these days. Now that Nintendo is pretty much fully committed to handheld and Sony is fully committed to home consoles, they're both pretty much just staying in the lanes where they respectively dominate the video game market. Not to mention I'm sure both are aware their consoles are very often owned together.
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Super Mario RPG remake on November 17th.
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Other than market saturation, is there anything that would put the PS5 over the Switch for several weeks? FF16 was likely there biggest release of the year for Japan specifically. SF6 is already out. There's Spiderman 2 but that comes out the same day was Mario Wonder. I don't think there is a game that can propel PS5 sales before that. It's all just coasting until then.
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That's after Wonder, which is October 20th. The only game releasing before Wonder that might move hardware is Detective Pikachu Returns (October 6th). I haven't been able to find any final sales data for the first, so no idea how popular it is. Nintendo could drop the film on Netflix close to launch to boost sales.
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They should release the film on streaming. That teaser trailer was… atrocious
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I think only Monster Hunter or Dragon Quest have that potential, and I'm not too sure about Dragon Quest. DQ12 as a PS5 exclusive would be interesting.
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They’ll enthusiastically take it. They will ride SIE into bankruptcy. The fact that they made an attempt at competing with Splatoon that is Playstation exclusive on their own dime says it all. Foamstars should be on Switch as games that are inspired by hits tend to do well on the same plat due to a halo effect.
DQ 12 will look like Final Fantasy 16 and will be PlayStation exclusive. It’ll also sell like Final Fantasy 16.
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My vote has always been for fall 2025.
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Nintendo never reported sales which means it sold less than 1 million worldwide.
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Big "The Spirits Within" energy there
S-E does some boneheaded things but they're not that boneheaded. I think.
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I hope you’re right. I can’t even tell anymore with these Japanese large third parties.
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I don’t think it’ll happen personally. Ideally it’ll be on PS5, Xbox, PC, and Switch/Switch 2. I don’t think Sony cares enough about Japan to make a bid for it but I could see Microsoft wanting to make sure it comes to Xbox after getting DQ11.
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I think MS's "Japan strategy" at this point is to provide as much parity as they can with Sony. So it'll be there if there's no exclusivity agreement.
It must have had some success at least. In the end they believed so much into it to produce this over a movie about Ash/Red and Pikachu.
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I hope.
where's my Spirits Within game?
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Even as a game it would be boring.
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Given everything that has come out about the big 3 during the Activision debacle I highly doubt that. especially with Sony losing such a large market in Japan to Nintendo
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monster hunter 6 will most likely come to PC day 1 and Square would have to want to kill the DQ series to make 12 PS5 exclusive since more than 50% of DQ sales are from japan
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I mean, even though they're still the market leader, I'm sure they're gonna continue to explore how they can increase their presence in Japan. But they're also surely aware at this point how mobile focused the country is. Hell Japan basically carried the Vita despite is being pretty damn unsuccessful. Just feels like both companies are playing into their strengths at the moment.
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I hope you’re right and I hope it kills it in the charts. I only want to play it on Switch 2, but I want Square succeed as a multi platform studio in the same way Capcom has been. There’s no way Capcom isn’t being asked for exclusivity for some of these RE games but they aren’t willing to bite.
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XI had a version on the freakin 3DS because Square knows damn well that PS exclusive Dragon Quest is asking for disaster
They’d have to be unimaginably stupid to go for it, but I hate that I cant entirely rule it out
that's why Horii is there
then again, he was the one who wanted the PS4 game because he wanted an HD DQ game
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I love how easy it is to find where Animal Crossing released ^^That's four highest weeks in a row for the Switch in 2023.
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The PS4 version did end up selling almost a million in Japan at launch so it wasn't the worst idea. But I wonder if a PS5 game is even capable of doing that anymore.
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The Sony and Final Fantasy dooming that permeates this board is so off-putting. Even in this thread, which ostensibly is about sales, is being used by some to straight-up console war. That shit sucked at Era when it was Sony fans doing it to us, and it sucks here now.
I can see that it's console warring to a degree, but the numbers don't lie at all. Making FFXVI exclusive to PS5 has shrunk the franchise's sales potential. I think that's a damn near fact at this point.
From my point of view, I am not happy the game is selling "poorly" because I want to hate on it, I'm happy it's selling poorly because I want Square to learn to get with the times and actually do what is necessary to grow the franchise so it can become better.
This is not a first party game that has to be exclusive. The franchise would be healthier and better overall once Square realizes that long term growth is what they need to focus on. How can Square look at how MHW and MH in general blew up once they took it multiplatform and decide to not do the same with Final Fantasy?
On the flip side, a lot of people have their head in the sand about this game and are blindly falling on the sword calling out any justifiable criticism about how this game has been handled or perceived by people. Some people fail to recognize that both A) and B) can be true. A) being that FFXVI is a fantastic game that is exactly what the series needed and B) being that Squares business dealing is preventing a fantastic mainline entry from growing the series.
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While this is a topic about Japanese sales, it's strange to see some use Japan as the end all be all of sales success. Like all the doom-posting on here about Persona 3 Reload. Yeah, it blows that it isn't coming to Switch but that doesn't mean the game is going to fail. The rest of the world buys games, and buys more games than Japan.
How many "AAA" series live and die by Japanese sales besides Dragon Quest? Not to mention with the demographics in Japan it makes more and more sense to expand audiences worldwide.
It's kind of funny that the Final Fantasy with the most western appeal is being kept away from Xbox and PC. With how aggressive Microsoft has been with getting Japanese support the past few years I think FF16 could've put up solid numbers on Xbox, to say nothing of PC. It'll still come to PC of course, but late ports never sell that well. All anyone has to do is look at Sony's own PC port numbers.
How many "AAA" series live and die by Japanese sales besides Dragon Quest? Not to mention with the demographics in Japan it makes more and more sense to expand audiences worldwide.
It's kind of funny that the Final Fantasy with the most western appeal is being kept away from Xbox and PC. With how aggressive Microsoft has been with getting Japanese support the past few years I think FF16 could've put up solid numbers on Xbox, to say nothing of PC. It'll still come to PC of course, but late ports never sell that well. All anyone has to do is look at Sony's own PC port numbers.
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This. Shit is so cringe. I’m calling out some posts.
Guys I know this is primarily a Nintendo enthusiast forum but you really aren’t doing it any favors by posting stuff like this. It’s flat out weird behavior.
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At the last minute, I don’t find FINAL FANTASY XVI’s sales all that surprising, since the Japanese market keeps levitating towards mobile/handheld and the game was confined to the PS5 because Sony is literally throwing money on Square Enix.
I don’t doubt that SE was worried on sales performance more specifically in Japan, but that doesn’t mean the series is lost. I think FF’s next phase is remakes and non-numbered titles.
And I think they’ll go with non-numbered because of the amount of remakes they’ll make.
I don’t think numbered titles are over, but they will pause
I don’t doubt that SE was worried on sales performance more specifically in Japan, but that doesn’t mean the series is lost. I think FF’s next phase is remakes and non-numbered titles.
And I think they’ll go with non-numbered because of the amount of remakes they’ll make.
I don’t think numbered titles are over, but they will pause
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While I'm criticising the game performance both in japan and worldwide, it's less about Nintendo (which is mostly a non factor to me) and more on the lack of pc version at launch. I think that's the biggest mistake from square enix and the biggest reason for the decline (together with a shortsighted view of the market). Of course the Japanese market is completely dominated by Nintendo so everything there will be compared to unfavourably to the switch, especially the ps5 anomaly with good hardware sales and awful software sales; those numbers are just bad and it's kind of impossible to spin them in a good way and that's no console war bias but just a fact. Of course using the Japanese market as a mirror on the rest of the world it's dumb and everybody knows that ps5 is a huge success (less so ff16).
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I‘m just baffled at how such a large sophisticated video game software company like Square Enix could make such self-defeating business decisions. I don’t think it’s console warring to point out baffling business decisions.
We are also in shock at the sales data. In this case, the honest interpretation of the sales data is not in the favor of one of the platform holders. Just like how it was during the WiiU time frame.
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The PS5 is doing just fine and FF16 is the fastest-selling PS5 exclusive to date.
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I mean, the fastest selling exclusive ps5 game in Japan not selling even 500k at launch after 3 years and suffering a decline of over 50% from the last numbered mainline title is everything but fine.
The ps5 is doing good hardware numbers this year without a doubt but the big problem is the software sell through which is below even huge flops like the WiiU. That is not fine, maybe not for Sony but definitely for the third party japanese publishers.
It's only the sixth noteworthy PS5 exclusive to even exist after three years into the consoles life cycle... I mean, that doesn't mean it's the fastest selling PS5 game. It earns that accolade on a technicality, the technicality being that GoW, GT7, and HFW were all cross gen.
But like I said originally. Multiple angles about this game can be true at the same time. Yes, it may be the best selling PS5 exclusive. That is a fact. But it's also a big decline in sales compared to prior mainline FF entries.
In PR statements, Square will pump its chest and talk a big game about it being the fastest selling PS5 exclusive (which is true) but internally they are 100% going to reflect on why it's the worse selling mainline FF out the gate (which is also true). One of those truths heavily outweighs the other.
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Yes, and the PS5 exclusives we have had are:
Returnal
A AA rogue-like shootemup made by a very small studio
Last of Us Part 1
A $70 stripped down remake of a game already available on the system for $10
Demons Souls
A very pretty launch game that was available on the PS3
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart:
A stunning showpiece of the PS5, that is also a 3D platformer. A not particularly popular genre on Playstation, but it did incredibly well for what it was.
Destruction All Stars:
Lol.
Of course a brand new final fantasy game would be the fastest selling out of the gate. But it's legs really aren't strong like Ffxv.
FFXVI is a great game by the looks of it, albeit flawed. But every single big Japanese publisher has been able to grow their market while Square Hasn't.
Nintendo has been all killer.
Sega had a remarkable success with Sonic Frontiers, Persona is now bigger than ever. Yakuza/LikeaDragon is hitting new heights.
Capcom is Wheeling and dealing like no one's business, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Ace Attorney, all have been incredible successes.
Namco keeps getting amazing checks from Nintendo, and keeps publishing pretty great hits too like Elden Ring
And this isn't from anyone salty about Nintendo systems at all. Everyone cheers for Capcom, just like with RE4 Remake. Monster Hunter World still isn't on Switch, and Rise is on all consoles. Each of these publishers have never been bigger, but Square hasn't grown their audience. Their audience have shrunk substantially on Playstation. And their audience on Nintendo systems seems to be at a bit of a lull too. Nintendo Square games seem to be tepid with around 2 million as a cap for each of their games-though this will change for Mario RPG.
Regardless, it's a bit concerning.
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And they all have one thing in common. Their games are coming out on PlayStation 5, Xbox Series, and PC (and in many cases Switch too). None of them are limiting their audience.
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Ace Attorney has been doing well with collections, but I wonder when a new one is coming..
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counter point: i don't care that people know I have a biased opinion about Nintendo compared to sony or Microsoft
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we both know that's a low bar considering all the best-selling PlayStation this generation is also on ps4 and or/pc
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That…isn’t a counterpoint to anything I said. I never told anyone how to feel anything - just how it looks from the outside, and if you’re cool with it, cool. As long as you know!
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DS was just short of 33 million, and GB+GBC slightly below that. So Switch just needs a bit more than 3 million to hit the top. Based on past history, unless something happens like Redacted releasing tomorrow, it should probably be close by the end of the year, though would need a pretty good Wonder boost to actually hit it.
I mean... there've been a bunch of Ash/Pikachu theatrical releases. But probably easier to pull off something a bit more real world in live action.
