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Discussion What was the issue that caused a massive exodus at ResetEra over here?
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I'd argue what happened with the whole MediaCreates debacle and SalesEra could be attributed to console wars and spinning the narrative.
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you might be somewhat relieved then that this was a hotly discussed issue (yes, really). there was a party that felt it was glib and performative and a party that felt it was good for spreading awareness
ultimately the latter party won because we all agreed that it was pretty much harmless anyway
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I apologize. I am venting frustrations, some of them include people tripping over themselves to appear they were riding the highest of horses in an empty display. But I recognize the issues go farther than just that.
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Criticizing a company is fine, but when you tend to favor one over the other it becomes a bit suspect.
THAT was what was happening over at ResetEra: Preference of Sony over everything.
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I hate the word “woke” because it is often now used as a slur against people who are good or want to do good but I gotta admit that those Nintendo thread titles brought a ‘errrr what?’ out of me.
That’s not why I made an account here though. It was because of the moderation issues mentioned previously and I also felt Nintendo discussion would be flooded with trolls outside of the main thread.
That’s not why I made an account here though. It was because of the moderation issues mentioned previously and I also felt Nintendo discussion would be flooded with trolls outside of the main thread.
To answer the OP’s question, the migration happened because in one of the sales threads there, a well-known troll was constantly antagonizing Chris, one of the pillars of the sales community. Chris shot back with an (arguably overly) sassy remark and got banned for I think a week for it? While the troll was able to wreak havoc for months on end because those threads were not properly moderated. A minor ban but it was the straw that broke the camel’s back and Chris decided to leave permanently.
The mods then issued a statement how they reviewed the troll’s posting history and found nothing wrong with it. Which I believe, they probably didn’t have the necessary context to recognize the trolling. Unfortunately it was then revealed on Discord that the mod who issued the ban had been “waiting for an opportunity to ban Chris”.
This led to Sales Era migrating to their own forum, and since Nintendo Era apparently significant overlap with Sales Era, they followed. Guess Nintendo fans just wanted their own place after their beef with management.
Side note: As a long time lurker on Era I didn’t notice any particular anti-Nintendo sentiment, except on those sales threads.
EDIT: Would also like to add the main reason I’m a member on Fami and not on Era is because for some reason Era doesn’t accept my non-professional e-mail address. Being a big Nintendo fan helps a lot though!
The mods then issued a statement how they reviewed the troll’s posting history and found nothing wrong with it. Which I believe, they probably didn’t have the necessary context to recognize the trolling. Unfortunately it was then revealed on Discord that the mod who issued the ban had been “waiting for an opportunity to ban Chris”.
This led to Sales Era migrating to their own forum, and since Nintendo Era apparently significant overlap with Sales Era, they followed. Guess Nintendo fans just wanted their own place after their beef with management.
Side note: As a long time lurker on Era I didn’t notice any particular anti-Nintendo sentiment, except on those sales threads.
EDIT: Would also like to add the main reason I’m a member on Fami and not on Era is because for some reason Era doesn’t accept my non-professional e-mail address. Being a big Nintendo fan helps a lot though!
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Thank you for this reply. The most detailed yet.
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Lol. Was bellydrum the one that got banned for like a month because of some Rex (XC2) stuff? God, that was hilarious.
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yep, that's our website dad
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gonna go watch some kamen rider faiz and let this thread burn
the main reason I still post on era is it has the only toku community on the internet where I feel comfortable knowing there aren't weirdo reactionaries
also before I go, free palestine
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I signed the ten year posting contract
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No, Mekanos is absolutely right here. Era's biggest problem is its constant focus on centrism above all else. If you really think they support the left, look at how they treated the trans community there. Some progressives!
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I genuinely do appreciate Fami, but speaking only for myself, I use each respective forum for a different reason.
On Fami, it feels warmer, more like a community. The old wholesome vibes of a "back in the day" style forum. I mainly lurk here, but whether I'm lurking or posting, it always has a certain comfy vibe to it (one I'm very fond of). Everyone is kind, and respectful.
With Era, obviously the userbase is substantially larger, meaning you'll see more activity, more news being posted, and a far more diverse set of opinions. Sometimes, I just wanna see some posts about non-Nintendo games I'm interested in, like Elden Ring, and there's way more of those on Era. Additionally, I do feel like sometimes, you need to be able to call Nintendo out on their bs (from game performance, to NSO, or whatever else), and that's somewhat subtly frowned upon here, being that the users are so (understandably) tired of hearing the same complaints all the time.
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The problem was that moderation was a bunch of power circle that had "favs" among the users and that obviously led to shitty situations.
Starting with CVXFreak banning Chris of the Media Create threads instead of the fucking trolls that made them bad, who of course were partially in that "fav" user circle.
It showed that PS fans had a lot of room to do shit, which would've resulted in bans for other groups very fast.
Then it came out that the mods flat out insulted and badmouthed users in their private chats.
Add to that that there is an overlapping in Media Create regulars and the Nintendo community, it further escalated.
It has nothing to do with other stuff. It was simply shitty "bro circle and friends" behaviour by moderation.
As for the exodus of other groups, i can't say anything about and i don't want to say or speculate about it.
Starting with CVXFreak banning Chris of the Media Create threads instead of the fucking trolls that made them bad, who of course were partially in that "fav" user circle.
It showed that PS fans had a lot of room to do shit, which would've resulted in bans for other groups very fast.
Then it came out that the mods flat out insulted and badmouthed users in their private chats.
Add to that that there is an overlapping in Media Create regulars and the Nintendo community, it further escalated.
It has nothing to do with other stuff. It was simply shitty "bro circle and friends" behaviour by moderation.
As for the exodus of other groups, i can't say anything about and i don't want to say or speculate about it.
Pretty sad but I tested the theory out myself as a little scientific experiment during the height of pandemic when I had way too much time on my hands.
Started accounts on a couple forums as an absolutely blathering idiotic Sony console warrior
Amazing how differently you're treated.You could virtually get away with anything as long as you stick to bashing the crap out of other gaming companies and veer away from political discussion. In sharp contrast, you really have to mind your p's and q's if you want to politely discuss Nintendo games.
Not sure why this is..... it could be that Sony pays off forum shills to do their bidding, but it's more realistic that Sony has a shitload of diehard fanboys who go on to become moderators.
I'm a PS5 owner btw Nothing against the company itself.
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There are numerous members there who are official employees of Sony Computer Entertainment. Of course they would try to manipulate board reception to favor their company over others. But more importantly, they see Nintendo as easy targets.
Well, no longer!
Which reminds me, I’d like to think we can maintain a healthy discussion of non-Nintendo games here. I’m stoked for Elden Ring too!
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Regardless of how you feel Nintendo fans were treated on Era, calling this 'persecution' is not appropriate. Please be more mindful with your language. -blondkayvon, Donnie, hologram
No, it's appropriate. I've had it with their bullshit.
I just wanna be happy being a Nintendo fan and not get persecuted for it. If I have to fight fire with fire then so be it.
You're free to discuss non-Nintendo games. I mean, we even have a Playstation General thread going on in here. Just don't start threads with "I think I've given up on <insert Nintendo thing here>" and then remark how much better the other two companies are doing, because we've all heard it before.
Nintendo's not perfect. Companies aren't your friend. But can't I like something at least without all this stupid mudslinging? And don't give me that "because it's an enthusiast board and people will resort to tribalism" excuse because it sure doesn't happen when you're on their side.
Okay, I think this thread has suitably riled me up because of bad memories.
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Personally I never felt even a tinge of anti-Nintendo stuff there.
But there was massive moderation issues which culminated in the sales thread. This at least on my part led to abrupt and quite frankly unhinged outburst towards the moderation and staff from which I was swiftly banned for life.
After that migration was kinda simple..
But there was massive moderation issues which culminated in the sales thread. This at least on my part led to abrupt and quite frankly unhinged outburst towards the moderation and staff from which I was swiftly banned for life.
After that migration was kinda simple..
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I actually think that since the rise of consolidated social media platforms and the descent into the niche for proper posting forums console warring has become a lot more manageable. 12+ years ago it was pervasive in everything and honestly unbearable, but since I was a dumb kid I didn't help any. A lot less people pick sides nowadays. Of course you will still find ride or die fans but I find them to be rarer.
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Like @Saturday said, this thread wildin' a little.
Some folks going a bit overboard...
Wait, persecuted? Bro...
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Actually, no. Console warring was managable when each perspective coonsole kept to their own board. But GAF/ERA decided it was wise to have them all grouped under the same thread. Then things started getting out of hand when the hot take threads started appearing.
You heard me: Persecuted.
Since you were asking....
ME: Am excited for The Witcher 3 coming to Switch
ERA poster: "Why would you even buy it on Switch when you could play it better on any other platform?"
ME: "Because I want it on Switch because of portability..."
ERA poster: "Dude, there's Steam Link and Playstation now..."
ME: "What's wrong with having it on Switch and playing it there?"
ERA poster: "It's...not ideal."
ME: "What do you have against it on Switch?"
ERA poster: "It's not the way it's meant to be experienced, okay?"
ME: Buys it on Switch
ERA poster: Enjoy your inferior port asshole!
So yeah, bullshit like this makes me pissed.
Edit: Sorry, I'm getting all passive aggressive. As I said, remembering all the arguments tends to make me lose my temper a lot.
I was hoping this place would be somewhere where I wouldn't need to "step outside" and just relax as a fan.
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this topic giving me some pretty bad vibes tbh. maybe not the greatest idea to let every other banned person from Era come over here. the mods are some power freaks at times there, but a lot of the bans have a legitimate premise. i do hope this doesnt slowly become a holding ground for the banned, not really a community i wanna be a part of.
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Sorry if I'm turning people off with my rant. Maybe we should lock this thread.
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I try to leave ResetERA drama at the door when I interact with posters on this site (and some posters here were permabanned from ERA for questionable reasons), I want this to be a fresh start, but when someone joins the site and makes a thread going "man, those woke ERA people, am I right?" it's very hmmmm.
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I had already posted this in the Moderation Feedback thread, a couple weeks back, but I think certain users with worrisome backgrounds should be barred from Fami's "clean slate, prior history not taken into account" policy. Obviously the majority of users are fine, and I don't think you should be forbidden from posting on Fami, just because you talked some shit about some video games back on Era, or whatever, but in cases of egregious bigotry and such, well, those folks should really be dealt with before they have a chance to do their damage.
Not referring to OP or anything, since I do want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but just in general, it should go without saying that bigotry (sexism, transphobia, etc.) is a big no-go, and folks don't wanna see that stuff here.
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As a last comment on Era's wokeness, i have always thought it was half-assed
They wanted to be woke, but only for selected groups. Women and black PoC would be defended to death, but asians and trans people were ignored at best, and don't get me started on animal rights.
On era, i have seen - and discussed - outright extinction of a whole canine race, how animal violence in videogames was fine because "they're just pixels" and other shit that even today makes my skin crawl.
And calling them out on that would result on a ban, particularly on animal rights. I remember my words being twisted into Comparing black people with dogs to justify a ban. It was ridiculous.
When this forum was created i left Era and didn't look back. I'm fed up of that site.
They wanted to be woke, but only for selected groups. Women and black PoC would be defended to death, but asians and trans people were ignored at best, and don't get me started on animal rights.
On era, i have seen - and discussed - outright extinction of a whole canine race, how animal violence in videogames was fine because "they're just pixels" and other shit that even today makes my skin crawl.
And calling them out on that would result on a ban, particularly on animal rights. I remember my words being twisted into Comparing black people with dogs to justify a ban. It was ridiculous.
When this forum was created i left Era and didn't look back. I'm fed up of that site.
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Era didn't really have an extreme bias towards any sort of platform holder, at least not initially. If it exists today it wasn't by design. But the way moderation worked made it extremely easy for bad faith actors and trolls to inject themselves into conversations and to dominate them. Neither do Era's issues stem from "wokeness", as evident by the way the trans and asian communities were treated and driven off it. Anyone who claims otherwise gets a side eye.
What led to the creation of Install Base, and by extension Famiboards due to a high overlap in regulars, was that moderation didn't really trust members of specific communities to identify people that were just there to stir shit up not were they interested in protecting them. Several sales regulars were constantly antagonized either in the MC threads themselves or the rest of the board with no one on the mod team taking any action. Every now and then a blatant troll would pop up, constantly push the same talking points but because they did it in a "civil" manner the mods allowed it. It wasn't until the mods were presented with proof of that person admitting to trolling on a different board that they finally did something. To some degree it's understandable. You can't expect the mod team to constantly monitor every single sub community. In this specific case, however, there were even mods that actively antagonized members of said community on platforms outside of Era.
The Nintend/Direct OT had its own fair share of people like that and the only one to catch a ban for it was Lyre who was identified as an alt-account. There were even some people that wanted Lyre's ban to be lifted because they enjoyed how he made NintendoEra "mad". There were others that basically only posted in the General OT to either complain about the community or to make fun of it but nothing ever happened there.
What led to the creation of Install Base, and by extension Famiboards due to a high overlap in regulars, was that moderation didn't really trust members of specific communities to identify people that were just there to stir shit up not were they interested in protecting them. Several sales regulars were constantly antagonized either in the MC threads themselves or the rest of the board with no one on the mod team taking any action. Every now and then a blatant troll would pop up, constantly push the same talking points but because they did it in a "civil" manner the mods allowed it. It wasn't until the mods were presented with proof of that person admitting to trolling on a different board that they finally did something. To some degree it's understandable. You can't expect the mod team to constantly monitor every single sub community. In this specific case, however, there were even mods that actively antagonized members of said community on platforms outside of Era.
The Nintend/Direct OT had its own fair share of people like that and the only one to catch a ban for it was Lyre who was identified as an alt-account. There were even some people that wanted Lyre's ban to be lifted because they enjoyed how he made NintendoEra "mad". There were others that basically only posted in the General OT to either complain about the community or to make fun of it but nothing ever happened there.
This may sound silly but this is 100% facts
On the very first page of the Chrono Cross announcement thread you have someone “hoping it’s not on Switch only because performance issues”
The discussion is incredibly shallow, pretty much 80% of posts engage in some thinly veiled console warring. Every multiplatform game that includes the Switch is immediately met with concern trolling comments about performance. They actively turn off anyone from buying any non first party games on it. Third party exclusives are all met with Bayo-like port begging. Meanwhile when Switch owners wonder about games that would clearly sell well on Switch, like idk JRPGs or games that took some time before getting on Switch like Okami HD, they got met with mental gymnastics about how well the game would run or whether the audience on Nintendo platforms would be receptive to it.
This is pretty apparent when every single PS owner is forced to mention their console of choice in every thread about a multiplatform game. “Getting it on PS4.” Now it’s “Grabbing it on my PS5.” Even back when the Xbox One X was the most powerful console on the market you never heard Xbox fans being that obnoxious. Sony fans are so spoiled that they are basically always stuck in the PS2 days, they expect their competitors to be irrelevant. So when you got news like Sony doing badly in Japan, all of the sudden it’s “concerning for the industry”. The bias is simply off the charts
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I apologize. I'm just very, very upset at how Nintendo fans, and threads no less, tend to be treated in ResetEra and NeoGAF. You can't post anything postive about Nintendo without getting some sort of snide remark in those places. They expect you to have at least a bit of anti-Nintendo sentiment in those boards, and by that, I mean somebody just has to spoil a perfectly good thread with...
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I personally will never go back to Era. The private discord chats that leaked out between some of the mods was more than enough to know that place wasn’t in capable hands. The mods acted so high and mighty with their ban hammer, yet privately flaunted how biased and “clubby” they were.
Oh please. It’s great that you still enjoy discussing games over on Era and want to defend the site—people should do what makes them happy, but please don’t suggest for a minute that the moderators on this site would ever let “sexism, transphobia, etc.” be a yes-go. If and when a situation like that arises, I have the utmost faith the mods here will deal with it appropriately.
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Okay folks, I've taken a look through the thread and it seems like the OP's question has been answered. While it isn't against the rules to mention or discuss resetera in situations where it makes sense, we generally discourage threads like this. It isnt healthy for the community at this stage to dwell on past grievances and it very easily leads to what we term off site drama. For what it's worth I also gave my own answer to this recently in mod feedback: Click
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Just to add a little to Donnie's post: while different people may have had different reasons for leaving ResetEra, we want to reiterate that ResetEra being "too woke" was absolutely not among the reasons for the founding of this site. If this was your problem with ResetEra, Famiboards may not be the site for you.
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