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Discussion What Pokémon Legends: Z-A could borrow from Pokémon XYZ

TheMindOfThomas

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Earlier I brought up a theory I had in the Pokémon Legends Z-A announcement thread that GameFreak could be taking inspiration from the XY and XYZ series of the Pokémon anime. Now, I know what you might be thinking: "The games and anime are separate. GameFreak rarely evert acknowledges the anime in the games!". While you would be correct, I believe this might be a special case.

XY and XYZ are some of the most popular seasons of the Pokémon anime within the fandom for their superb writing and characters. They also have many exclusive elements that were not featured in the games themselves. Some of these concepts may have been originally planned for the scrapped Pokemon Z, which this game may draw from as well. I wanted to use this thread to give my own speculation on what elements could be featured and why, as well as to educate on these topics since not many in this forum seem to be as knowledgeable about the anime side of Pokémon.


Ash-Greninja:

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Ash-Greninja is a special form that was originally designed for the Pokémon Anime. As the name implies, the form is a fusion of Greninja and Ash-Ketchum. It activates when their bond becomes synchronized. It essentially functions as a Mega-Evolution that draws from the bond between trainer and Pokémon, rather than a Keystone. In the series, the form plays a crucial role in the Team Flare arc that involves Zygarde. In the end, it even leaves with Zygarde to protect Kalos from any lingering natural threats.

Ash-Greninja became immensely popular, and was eventually featured in the games, but with a catch. Ash-Greninja was only obtainable in a special downloadable demo for Pokémon Sun and Moon on the 3DS. It worked the same as it did in the anime, with the ability being refereed to as "Battle Bond".

Greninja wouldn't be obtainable at all in another mainline age until Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. Strangely, however, the Ash-Greninja form was removed from all Greninja transferred from Sun and Moon with the Battle Bond ability. Yet, one reference remained:

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In a certain house in the game, a painting can be seen entitled "The Hidden Ninja". Upon inspection and comparison to official artwork released around the time of the Sun and Moon demo, it appears to be an "artistic" rendition of the Ash-Greninja form. Why would they include this if the form had been removed? I believe the clear answer is that they have bigger plans for it in this game, possibly to more faithfully adapt how it was featured in the XYZ anime given its ties to Zygarde. Perhaps they could also retcon the form into a standard Mega-Evolution.



Zygarde Plotline:

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Out of everything listed here, the storyline of Zygarde in the XYZ anime was most likely to have been taken from the scrapped Pokémon Z games. In the anime, Team Flare is collecting Zygarde cores, aiming to use the power of Zygarde to bring about their plans to reset the world. This culminates in a dramatic story arc where they wreak havoc on Lumiose City, with giant roots covering major areas. The persistence of these roots are still a threat in the anime even after XYZ because of this incident as seen in the Pokémon Journeys series. This marks a diversion from the games, as it effectively replaces the Ultimate Weapon storyline. Now, we know from the logo of this game that AZ and the Ultimate Weapon will still likely play a role in this game, but given Zygarde's inclusion it feels likely they could borrow from major aspects of this arc as well.

The roots that engulf parts of Lumiose for instance, particularly strike me as something that would make for a great climax. Considering this game takes place entirely in Lumiose City and is supposedly about its reconstruction, it would be a major threat that goes against everything the protagonist would presumably be working toward.

Adironally, there is also a Zygarde Core nicknamed "Squishy" that accompanies Ash and his companions on their travels leading up to the Flare event. Perhaps this could occur in the games, similar to how Miraidon or Koraidon accompany you throughout Scarlet and Violet, with Zygarde's eventual form changes acting as this game's ride Pokémon.

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Serena's New Look:

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Around the halfway point of the series, Serena, based on the female player character from the X and Y games, changed her appearance in a symbolic moment for her character. The look became very popular and distinguishing, but strangely enough, was not available as an outfit in the games, despite the vast customization options available in XY.

Interestingly, third versions of Pokémon games would usually feature new base outfits for the player characters. It's entirely possible Serena's second outfit was also something inspired by scrapped content from Pokémon Z. If this were the case, perhaps Legends: Z-A could bring the base design of the game counterpart closer to this look. I found a good fan-mockup online of what it could look like in 3D model form (credit to u/juout on Reddit)

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Alain:

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Alain is an anime original character who appears in the XY anime. He is a user of Mega Charizard X, and a prominent rival of Ash Ketchum. He starts as the protagonist of his own special episodes focusing on Mega Evolution. There, he collects Mega Energy in battles for Team Flare to use in their experiments with the Zygarde cells, unaware of their true plans. He was described by the staff as inspired by Anakin Skywalker from the Star Wars prequels, and has since become a fan-favorite character. Given his popularity and prominence in the Zygarde storyline, he could be included in this game somehow.

Of course, characters from the anime aren't put into the games often, with the only major example being the Team Rocket trio in Pokémon Yellow/Let's Go. However, Alain was acknowledged in the games before, in a piece of dialogue by Steven, a character he knows in the anime, in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire and again in Pokémon Masters.





Of course, this is all speculative, and I'm sure there are lots of brand new elements this game will feature as well. What do you all think about these ideas?
 
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Adironally, there is also a Zygarde Core nicknamed "Squishy" that accompanies Ash and his companions on their travels leading up to the Flare event. Perhaps this could occur in the games, similar to how Miraidon or Koraidon accompany you throughout Scarlet and Violet, with Zygarde's eventual form changes acing as this game's ride Pokémon.
This would be really cool. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case actually.
 
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If they take a page out of the anime's handling of Team Flare, that would be really cool. Other than that, I definitely expect to see the whole Zygarde core stuff to appear but hopefully more integrated with the plot than whatever Alola's take on it was 👀
 
he actually came back in the anime to get completely wrecked by Leon lol
Part of the reason I want him to appear in this game is so the anime has an excuse to do him some justice lol. He's too good of a character for that to be his final appearance. On top of that I think he'd just make for a really cool addition to the game's world, especially as a rival/boss.
 
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It's pretty obvious that the Zygarde forms, Ash Greninja, and Eternal Flower Floette was all stuff that was originally intended to be released over the course of XY's generation, and would be first in line to be included in a Kalos revisit. Ash Greninja is in kind of a weird spot due to being tied to Ash, a character who has finally been retired recently, but I assume they'll make it happen somehow, even if it's transfer-only. Alain's connection to the games is a fair bit more tenuous, but I wouldn't rule out an appearance by him (or some time displaced relative) entirely.

On a related note, it's less clear than the other examples, but I think Magearna has a pretty good shot at showing up. It's debatable if it was originally destined for Z, but it's so thematically on point for Kalos that it probably didn't miss the boat by much.
 
Ash Greninja is in kind of a weird spot due to being tied to Ash, a character who has finally been retired recently, but I assume they'll make it happen somehow, even if it's transfer-only.
I’ve seen a couple theories on how they could manage this:

- They could retcon Ash-Greninja into a standard Mega-Evolution, keystone and all.

- they could make Bond Phenomenon a new gimmick exclusive to the Kalos starters, with Greninja getting a form that adapts to the appearance of your own player character.

Personally I’d prefer option two since it would faithfully recreate how the form works in the anime, but I know it would be a great deal of extra work to implement. Retconning it into a mega would feel weird to me since the form literally resembles Ash, but I’d rather have the form in the game than not at all.

On a related note, it's less clear than the other examples, but I think Magearna has a pretty good shot at showing up. It's debatable if it was originally destined for Z, but it's so thematically on point for Kalos that it probably didn't miss the boat by much.

This is a solid theory. Magearna did debut in a Generation 6 movie first, so I too feel like it was meant to be associated with Z originally. If there are any ties to the past in this game too, it would serve the plot especially well.

It might be worth nothing that the Sun and Moon anime does have a storyline where they link Magearna to Lillie and Gladion’s family, but that was obviously written far after Z was scrapped. I’m just not sure if perhaps it’s seen internally as belonging firmly to Alola now.
 
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It's pretty obvious that the Zygarde forms, Ash Greninja, and Eternal Flower Floette was all stuff that was originally intended to be released over the course of XY's generation, and would be first in line to be included in a Kalos revisit. Ash Greninja is in kind of a weird spot due to being tied to Ash, a character who has finally been retired recently, but I assume they'll make it happen somehow, even if it's transfer-only. Alain's connection to the games is a fair bit more tenuous, but I wouldn't rule out an appearance by him (or some time displaced relative) entirely.
Interestingly, if we look at datamines/unused content of gen 6, the only stuff from gen 6 unique stuff that went unused was Eternal Flower Floette (still unreleased to this day, although unlike other unique species variations like Spiky Eared Pichu and Contest Pikachu, it does still exist in any game that allows Floette), the Zygarde signature moves Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves (both of which would be obtainable via the Zygarde cube in gen 7) and the planned signature move for Eternal Flower Floette: Light of Ruin (removed from gen 8 onwards).

A Vivilon pattern also went unused until Scarlet and Violet, but that's well, no longer unused.

Ash-Greninja doesn't exist in gen 6 at all (not even in ORAS which has an expanded "unique" dex compared to XY with some new mega evolutions), neither does Zygarde 10%/30%/Power Construct (also not in ORAS). Both of those were added to gen 7.

I somehow recall a part of this might have been that the XY anime ended up overshooting it's planned runtime (in no small part due to its popularity), so by the time they could add the Zygarde formes and Ash-Greninja it was already in generation 7.
 
I played Pokemon X two years ago, 8 years after I originally played Y, and one thing I didn't remember was how the story feels like small anime episodes. For example, you go to one charismatic place, meet some people, explore it and fight other trainers, learn a bit from the main story, and then you have some kind of ending for that little "episode" by having a deep conversation about life, friendship and Pokémon with a friend, while looking at the place you just visited lol.

I don't know how they could borrow that for a game that is supposed to be completely placed in a city, but it's something I want to see again. (Yakuza side quests might be a good starting point)
 
I somehow recall a part of this might have been that the XY anime ended up overshooting it's planned runtime (in no small part due to its popularity), so by the time they could add the Zygarde formes and Ash-Greninja it was already in generation 7.
This wasn't the case. XY ended before Generation 7 started as every series besides Journeys has done. If anything it was the exact opposite. Tetsuo Yajima (the XY anime's director) has stated in interviews that:

A. They didn't originally know how long the series would last, only that it had to end when the next core games were released (Sun and Moon).

B. They had to rush plot lines in XYZ to make sure everything was wrapped up in a year. He said it was for this reason that there was minimal filler in that season as "there was absolutely no room".

Given that most generations before Gen 6 lasted for at least 4 years, it appears that the staff assumed they had more time initially, and was caught off-guard by Sun and Moon releasing in 2016. XY as a whole is actually the shortest series of the anime if I remember correctly (unless you count Journeys and Mezase Pokémon Master as separate sagas). It's honestly astonishing how well-executed everything was given the circumstances.

Source for at least the second piece of info: https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/tetsuo-yajima-interview-on-xy.220915/
 
Interestingly, if we look at datamines/unused content of gen 6, the only stuff from gen 6 unique stuff that went unused was Eternal Flower Floette (still unreleased to this day, although unlike other unique species variations like Spiky Eared Pichu and Contest Pikachu, it does still exist in any game that allows Floette), the Zygarde signature moves Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves (both of which would be obtainable via the Zygarde cube in gen 7) and the planned signature move for Eternal Flower Floette: Light of Ruin (removed from gen 8 onwards).

A Vivilon pattern also went unused until Scarlet and Violet, but that's well, no longer unused.

Ash-Greninja doesn't exist in gen 6 at all (not even in ORAS which has an expanded "unique" dex compared to XY with some new mega evolutions), neither does Zygarde 10%/30%/Power Construct (also not in ORAS). Both of those were added to gen 7.

I somehow recall a part of this might have been that the XY anime ended up overshooting it's planned runtime (in no small part due to its popularity), so by the time they could add the Zygarde formes and Ash-Greninja it was already in generation 7.
The Fancy Vivillon pattern wasn't unused, it was just "Mythical" before SV.

We have very solid evidence that there was a cancelled game in Gen 6, and additional forms in later games of a generation is something that goes all the way back to Gen 3. The Zygarde forms and Ash Greninja being "Gen 7" content was fairly clearly not the original intent. The fact that they showed up in various side media when they did is because the Pokémon multimedia machine can't just stop once things get far enough.

Also worth pointing out that the XY anime's length was perfectly in line with what the surrounding generations and, if anything, may have been cut somewhat short.
 


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