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News GB/GBC games coming to Nintendo Switch Online, GBA games coming to NSO Expansion Pack (out now!)

MeatheadSamus said:
I'm saying it now, when Metroid Fusion comes out, you'll be able to unlock the Fusion suit in Metroid Prime Remastered!
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I doubt this is going to happen. Prime remastered and game boy NSO launched on the same day, surely you would include fusion as a launch title if you were ever planning a connection between the two.
 
HockeyBird said:
I think it's cool that Alone in the Dark is here at launch because it shows that even smaller and less remembered titles can and will make it onto the service. Gamers always talk about the need for games be on current systems for history and preservation yet often get grumpy when smaller titles make it onto the service. Yet for preservation purposes, these are the games that need to be brought to modern systems the most. We'll get all the mainstay Nintendo titles eventually. I'm looking forward to seeing more games I never heard of or never got a chance to check out.
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Obscure, and even bad, videogames need preservation too.
 
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Dusa said:
Licensing issues
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between... a first party nintendo game and a first party nintendo game? when fusion is already in the list of games that will come? come on.

those are 2 different apps. no chance there is a connection, since the communication in the original needed 2 active components, you cant have 2 apps active. And making it unnececary convoluted doesnt make sense for such a remaster. im actually suprized that the fusion suit is not just an unlock?
 
Aether said:
between... a first party nintendo game and a first party nintendo game? when fusion is already in the list of games that will come? come on.

those are 2 different apps. no chance there is a connection, since the communication in the original needed 2 active components, you cant have 2 apps active. And making it unnececary convoluted doesnt make sense for such a remaster. im actually suprized that the fusion suit is not just an unlock?
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Yeah, Nintendo gotta get permission

Also two apps doesn't matter, games unlock content via save data all the time
 
Aether said:
from? themselves?

Thats where the convoluted part comes in: changing the code in MPT to read the safe data of the GBA online app and find the fusion part to unlock it...on the same platform. that just really seems ass backwards for no reason.
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Yea

Also Idon't see why that's convoluted at all.
 
Dusa said:
Yea

Also Idon't see why that's convoluted at all.
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Ok, just seems that we'll have to disagree here. :unsure:

Just watched the MVG video about the implementation,
seems as if the emulation is well implemented. now im just waiting for a bunch of GBA games, and then ill probably pay for a year to replay some of them. Currently the GBA library is still a little to bare bones.
 
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There's not actually any need for them to have inter-app operability if they really must for the fusion suit, just check whether the user has the expansion pass or not. The fusion suit unlock relied on whether you had finished prime or not, the status of the fusion suit save didn't matter

But they really should just give it to everyone like they did in the trilogy release. Don't be locking content like a reskin behind the most expensive online sub in a 20 year old single player remaster.
 
One advantage of having a smaller library is that it makes me more likely to play game I otherwise wouldn't. I doubt I would ever play Kuru Kuru Kururin if I had more options at launch (all the other games in there I have already played in the past and I wanted something new), and I ended up enjoying that game.

I just hope we get more frequent game drops, at least once a month between all platforms.
 
Brock Reiher said:
If they were going to ever figure those licensing issues out they would have done it by now. Fusion was right there the whole time and Prime Remastered seems to have been sat on for a while. They could have released Prime and Fusion with connectivity at the same time just like the old days.
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Well, Metroid isn't a core Nintendo series like Mario, Zelda, and Kurukuru Kururin.
 
Phosphorescent Skeleton said:
Well, Metroid isn't a core Nintendo series like Mario, Zelda, and Kurukuru Kururin.
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You know, Kuru Kuru Kururin may not have the "sales" and "popularity" that Pokemon and Animal Crossing have, but it more than makes up for it in metacritic scores and its influence on game design.
 
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Aether said:
Thats where the convoluted part comes in: changing the code in MPT to read the safe data of the GBA online app and find the fusion part to unlock it...on the same platform. that just really seems ass backwards for no reason.
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How much simpler could it get than that?
 
fiendcode said:
Pocket filter is a fantastic surprise. And I even had a GBP back in the day, lol.

Talking about content and platforms, I think Nintendo should do what they did for Sega and throw Konami a mountain of cash. Not just for PCE/CD but also to get more of Konami and Hudson's stone cold classics from NES, SNES, N64, GB/C and GBA to fill out those libraries. NES and SNES especially need it after Nintendo's own well has run dry.

I also feel like CD/SVP for Genesis is just a matter of time given M2's work on them for the MD Mini 2. Filesizes for most games won't be an issue since it's mainly uncompressed audio or sometimes badly compressed video, which are both easily solvable.
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I really wish Konami would add SNES Castlevania and Contra titles to NSO as the games on their own Castlevania & Contra collections have issues such as 4:3 not actually being 4:3, some blurring backgrounds when the screen scrolls, and the scanlines filter blurring and de-satirizing the color. Castlevania Bloodlines is on both the collection and NSO and looks SO much better on NSO.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
There's not actually any need for them to have inter-app operability if they really must for the fusion suit, just check whether the user has the expansion pass or not. The fusion suit unlock relied on whether you had finished prime or not, the status of the fusion suit save didn't matter

But they really should just give it to everyone like they did in the trilogy release. Don't be locking content like a reskin behind the most expensive online sub in a 20 year old single player remaster.
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JoshuaJSlone said:
How much simpler could it get than that?
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... to just give it to people after finishing the game?
why is there a need to keep it locked behind that?
And the Trilogy had it without. Its a remaster, kind of a definitive edition, cut the stupid gate keeping to get people to buy another game or to "reward" the fans. If i have the game in a cart, i cant connect. i would need to pay 70€ just to get that aspect.
 
Maybe they will just add the Fusion suit when Fusion comes out, as a nice little promotion thing. No need for the player to actually play Fusion.
 
MisterSpo said:


Kinda suspected this would happen. I'd guess they'll stick to monthly drops for the Expansion Pack, but we might see them alternate between N64 and GBA with Mega Drive more occasional.

GB might be every 2 to 3 months, with several games coming at a time, I guess? Not a huge issue when it comes to the amount of stuff I have to play, but still irritating that they think irregular releases on a subscription is a good idea. That and control remapping on N64 are issues I hoped they'd sort.
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I’m thinking we get both N64 and gba monthly barring a double pack of the Pokémon stadium games, and genesis stays in its odd every couple months thing. The roadmap still lines up with June/July for the expansion pack after all
 
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On second thought....they should individually put out the GBA Pokemon games on the switch.

Just to uh....potentially crash the overinflated prices of their cartridges, plus they'd make bank if they put them up individually which I think they'd be more than happy to milk :>
 
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Aether said:
... to just give it to people after finishing the game?
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True, that would be simpler. But we already know that didn't happen.
If i have the game in a cart, i cant connect. i would need to pay 70€ just to get that aspect.
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Whether the game runs from game card or SD card or internal storage makes no difference.
 
Leo said:
One advantage of having a smaller library is that it makes me more likely to play game I otherwise wouldn't. I doubt I would ever play Kuru Kuru Kururin if I had more options at launch (all the other games in there I have already played in the past and I wanted something new), and I ended up enjoying that game.

I just hope we get more frequent game drops, at least once a month between all platforms.
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yeah, I really like the small starting selections

I just don't want one game every two months
 
Mandos said:
I mean the lineups for the Gameboy systems lineup with the amount for N64 and could point out to monthly updates till July-ish
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Again, the N64 has fewer games they can add, the libraries on the GB platforms are huge. NES started with 20 games, SNES had 21 and Genesis had 15. Hell, N64 launched with more than GBA, 9 titles vs 6.
 
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MisterSpo said:


Kinda suspected this would happen. I'd guess they'll stick to monthly drops for the Expansion Pack, but we might see them alternate between N64 and GBA with Mega Drive more occasional.

GB might be every 2 to 3 months, with several games coming at a time, I guess? Not a huge issue when it comes to the amount of stuff I have to play, but still irritating that they think irregular releases on a subscription is a good idea. That and control remapping on N64 are issues I hoped they'd sort.
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Nintendo gonna Nintendo, I guess. Three steps forward, two steps back.

I guess my hope/concern is that updates to these consoles might simply cycle their updates so it doesn't feel as empty in between releases. Keep N64 releases to one game monthly (Brofield typed, begrudgingly), but hopefully it can be timed so that Genesis might get a dump of ~4 games in one month, NES/SNES gets a dump of games the month after, Gameboy/Advance games get another update the month after that, and restart that cycle of games that will have the rewind functionality.
 
I think people are overestimating the value of the GBC Pokémon games. They're obviously hugely popular, but I'm not sure there's a much smarter way to capitalize on them other than putting them on NSO.

Sure, they were best selling VC games on the 3DS, but that already happened once, which means the demand is far smaller this time around. By that time, those games had never been rereleased in any capacity. Now they are still available and have been for many years. Of course a lot of people who didn't own a 3DS would buy the games, and a lot of people would also buy them again, but I'm not sure those sales are worth it over the value Nintendo would generate by including them on NSO.

Now the gen 3 games are a differente story, obviously. But then, these would already be expansion pack only, which means it's even easier to generate revenue for TPC for their inclusion. I think A LOT of people would pull the trigger on the expansion pack with the addition of these games.

All in all, a NSO subscription including gens 1, 2, 3 with Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2 being compatible would be magnitudes more popular than it is now just by how huge the Pokémon fanbase is. I'm sure Nintendo knows that and they would definitely push for that to happen.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
True, that would be simpler. But we already know that didn't happen.

Whether the game runs from game card or SD card or internal storage makes no difference.
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im mentioning a GBA Metroid Fusion cart. I cant connect it and my gba.
I see really no point in todays day and age to Gatekeeper that behind an online subscription.
Back then there was novelty, now its just stupid in the time of preorder bonuses and all that stuff.
 
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I think people are looking into that response into Nintendo way too much. That's a typical PR response where they answer the question without answering the question. There is no official schedule released to the public, so there is no schedule. That doesn't mean there isn't an internal one. Also the PR probably doesn't know what the schedule is if there is one. I'm not saying GB and GBA will or won't be monthly. We just don't know at this point and nothing from that response to Stephen Totilo tells us either way.
 
Brofield said:
Nintendo gonna Nintendo, I guess. Three steps forward, two steps back.

I guess my hope/concern is that updates to these consoles might simply cycle their updates so it doesn't feel as empty in between releases. Keep N64 releases to one game monthly (Brofield typed, begrudgingly), but hopefully it can be timed so that Genesis might get a dump of ~4 games in one month, NES/SNES gets a dump of games the month after, Gameboy/Advance games get another update the month after that, and restart that cycle of games that will have the rewind functionality.
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I'd guess that EP stuff remains monthly, one way or another; that either means they cycle through an N64 update one month, followed by GBA the next, with MD/Genesis following at less regular intervals. My suspicion before GBA got added was that, when it was added, Nintendo would slow down on N64 because they likely don't have a huge number of games they can keep adding there.

But yeah, GB/NES/SNES will seemingly more sporadic. That should at least mean we get a small clump of games next time GB gets an update. I mean, the general way this pans out means updates of some sort happens every month, but I'm just wondering if that means either GBA or N64 won't see monthly updates, if that makes sense.
 
Brofield said:
Nintendo gonna Nintendo, I guess. Three steps forward, two steps back.

I guess my hope/concern is that updates to these consoles might simply cycle their updates so it doesn't feel as empty in between releases. Keep N64 releases to one game monthly (Brofield typed, begrudgingly), but hopefully it can be timed so that Genesis might get a dump of ~4 games in one month, NES/SNES gets a dump of games the month after, Gameboy/Advance games get another update the month after that, and restart that cycle of games that will have the rewind functionality.
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They’ve been using this language for the past 4 years, it’s nothing new.
 
Tbh if they add the Pokémon games on Pokémon day, the GB library would shoot up to being pretty darn good already. It would only be missing a few flagship titles like the other Wario Lands and Mario Tennis, but not much else that is super essential.
 
Leo said:
Tbh if they add the Pokémon games on Pokémon day, the GB library would shoot up to being pretty darn good already. It would only be missing a few flagship titles like the other Wario Lands and Mario Tennis, but not much else that is super essential.
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Have to have DK ‘94
 
MisterSpo said:
I'd guess that EP stuff remains monthly, one way or another; that either means they cycle through an N64 update one month, followed by GBA the next, with MD/Genesis following at less regular intervals. My suspicion before GBA got added was that, when it was added, Nintendo would slow down on N64 because they likely don't have a huge number of games they can keep adding there.

But yeah, GB/NES/SNES will seemingly more sporadic. That should at least mean we get a small clump of games next time GB gets an update. I mean, the general way this pans out means updates of some sort happens every month, but I'm just wondering if that means either GBA or N64 won't see monthly updates, if that makes sense.
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My only gripe with that is if it means having to wait even longer for Super Smash Bros on N64; at least with the current dripfeed status there was a strong possibility we could have at least gotten it by the end of this year, but if it now starts to alternate with GBA, then I might as well start expecting no earlier than 2024 just to save my gripe and yearning.

Mandos said:
They’ve been using this language for the past 4 years, it’s nothing new.
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It may not be new but I still don't have to like their unnecessary vagueness when it comes to committing to a release schedule for an additional service I'm paying extra for lol
 
Leo said:
I think people are overestimating the value of the GBC Pokémon games. They're obviously hugely popular, but I'm not sure there's a much smarter way to capitalize on them other than putting them on NSO.

Sure, they were best selling VC games on the 3DS, but that already happened once, which means the demand is far smaller this time around. By that time, those games had never been rereleased in any capacity. Now they are still available and have been for many years. Of course a lot of people who didn't own a 3DS would buy the games, and a lot of people would also buy them again, but I'm not sure those sales are worth it over the value Nintendo would generate by including them on NSO.

Now the gen 3 games are a differente story, obviously. But then, these would already be expansion pack only, which means it's even easier to generate revenue for TPC for their inclusion. I think A LOT of people would pull the trigger on the expansion pack with the addition of these games.

All in all, a NSO subscription including gens 1, 2, 3 with Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2 being compatible would be magnitudes more popular than it is now just by how huge the Pokémon fanbase is. I'm sure Nintendo knows that and they would definitely push for that to happen.
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This is the only reason why I think the Gen 3 games are possible right away after the Pokemon Presents. BUT. And I hate to be a pessimist with TPC but I think they would put the remakes of Gen 1 up on NSO before Gen 3 games lol.
 
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N64 is the only NSO platform where Nintendo have committed to a set schedule (one per month), and that's only because it's the headlining feature of the NSO Expansion Pack.

Otherwise, it's always been this way. They just add games whenever; same with every other non-N64 NSO service.
 
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The good news is we get to have all these conversations again when Nintendo makes a new device and resets their emulation library from scratch
 
This is the same company that refused to confirm if Link was the protagonist in Breath of the Wild (then Zelda Wii U) and confirm that he was male. If something isn't explicitly written in their press releases, then they pretty much dodge any and all questions. Half of PR's existence is to divert questions away from people who actually make the decisions. I'm sure Stephen Totilo knew he wasn't going to get a straight forward yes or no talking to Nintendo PR.
 
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Brofield said:
My only gripe with that is if it means having to wait even longer for Super Smash Bros on N64; at least with the current dripfeed status there was a strong possibility we could have at least gotten it by the end of this year, but if it now starts to alternate with GBA, then I might as well start expecting no earlier than 2024 just to save my gripe and yearning.


It may not be new but I still don't have to like their unnecessary vagueness when it comes to committing to a release schedule for an additional service I'm paying extra for lol
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Eh I mean , Nintendo NSO expansion pack updates have been pretty consistent overall. A pack of genesis games every 3 months roughly; and a N64 game every month(barring a double release which causes a month’s delay). I’m thinking they’ll keep this up and just add a GBA game a month in addition. N64’s second roadmap is the same style as the first and lines up for a mid summer update/new roadmap and the GBA roadmap has similar numbers. So that’s what I’m expecting, and a N64 game this week should prove it

GB will probably be a batch every couple months.
 
Even with N64 they didn’t commit to one per month, there wasn’t one in September or December, and there were two in November.

I still think GBA games will come more or less once a month, like with N64. Nintendo just doesn’t want to say anything that would lock them in.
 
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Oh boi, I don't like Wario Land 3.
Already stuck after beating the first stage of the second world. No idea where to go, still 0 powers (actually even less powers than Wario Land 1), went to every levels day & night, can only find grey keys and open grey chests (I did find a red chest in W1 but can't get to the red key).

To quote the AVGN : "It's one of those 'Where the fuck do I go' game". I don't mind a WarioidMania at all -quite the contrary- but damn...

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I'm an idiot, not stuck anymore ^^;
 
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Koren Lesthe said:
Oh boi, I don't like Wario Land 3.
Already stuck after beating the first stage of the second world. No idea where to go, still 0 powers (actually even less powers than Wario Land 1), went to every levels day & night, can only find grey keys and open grey chests (I did find a red chest in W1 but can't get to the red key).

To quote the AVGN : "It's one of those 'Where the fuck do I go' game". I don't mind a WarioidMania at all -quite the contrary- but damn...
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Visit the very first stage where the giant dark face is. He gives you clues about where to go next.
 
Koren Lesthe said:
Oh boi, I don't like Wario Land 3.
Already stuck after beating the first stage of the second world. No idea where to go, still 0 powers (actually even less powers than Wario Land 1), went to every levels day & night, can only find grey keys and open grey chests (I did find a red chest in W1 but can't get to the red key).

To quote the AVGN : "It's one of those 'Where the fuck do I go' game". I don't mind a WarioidMania at all -quite the contrary- but damn...

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I'm an idiot, not stuck anymore ^^;
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I hope it gets better for you down the line. But yeah, do what the above poster said and also take note of the stages that are highlighted by the cutscene that is triggered whenever a power-up or item is acquired.
 
Mandos said:
Eh I mean , Nintendo NSO expansion pack updates have been pretty consistent overall. A pack of genesis games every 3 months roughly; and a N64 game every month(barring a double release which causes a month’s delay). I’m thinking they’ll keep this up and just add a GBA game a month in addition. N64’s second roadmap is the same style as the first and lines up for a mid summer update/new roadmap and the GBA roadmap has similar numbers. So that’s what I’m expecting, and a N64 game this week should prove it

GB will probably be a batch every couple months.
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I really hope so. I know NSO != Virtual Console but I still can't help but feel burned given how it fizzled quick enough on Wii and was pretty anemic the entire run of Wii U when it comes to N64. I'm still of the opinion that we should have already been waist deep in Gamecube virtual console on Wii U (they made a controller adapter for Smash Bros 4, released new GC controllers with longer cables, and the Wii hardware grafted inside meant it could have played Gamecube ROMs natively without need for emulators simply by secretly launching the system in Wii mode. It could have been very straightforward), so I feel this anxiety over them doing the bare minimum isn't entirely unwarranted.

I just want Nintendo to move on beyond these consoles that they've already offered before, and this dripfeed is just aggravating at the best of times.
 
I think Nintendo should at least do 1 drop per month on each service(Base and Expansion). Doesn't have to be games for every platform but at least a drop.

Right now, we haven't even scratched the surface for NES and SNES but I'd be alright if they added in GB/GBC games on a regular schedule to make up for it.
 
Finished Minish Cap, first replay since its original release. Didn't love it as much as I remember but it's still a polished Zelda game so it's pretty good. Was not surprised to see this was a Fujibayashi joint since it felt so much like Skyward Sword in world design, glad he did a 180 with BotW since I much prefer that style of game.

I ended up hitting a slight wall on the final boss and decided to go do a bunch of side stuff to buff up and because I was curious. Having the world fully open at this point and deep pockets of kinship stones made this process much smoother and quite fun. Some very cool side quests in Minish Cap imo and a lot of fan service (which I'm actually a bit mixed on, just be confident in your own ideas!). I'm within spitting distance of 100% so I might go for it...
 
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