Xenoblade 2 is a wonderful game.

TWILTY

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While everyone is free to have their opinion on the character designs (and I get it; some of them ARE horny designs), I think the overall treatment of the female cast is handled really well. Pyra and Mythra are great characters with fun interactions with the cast and what trauma can do to a person, Nia has a great arc about accepting who she really is, Poppi is one of the sweetest characters in the game, how she looks up to Rex/the Aegis since she's an artificial blade and Morag is treated as one of the most competent members of the cast and is rarely if ever treated as a joke.

Again, I get it, the character designs aren't for everyone, but I think the game deserves more credit with how it treats it's women.
 

Miraj

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Xenoblade 2 is one of the best JRPGs I've ever played, but also one of the most cringe. There were times where I legit blushed because of how embarrassed I felt with how uh... tropey the humor got. But overall, I loved it and put almost 200 hours into it. I felt really drawn in by the endearing characters and emotional story, and I found it all far more fun and interesting than the original game (which was kind of a slog for me).

I hope the next game streamlines the combat a bit so they don't still have to give you tutorials many hours into the game.
 

Miraj

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While everyone is free to have their opinion on the character designs (and I get it; some of them ARE horny designs), I think the overall treatment of the female cast is handled really well. Pyra and Mythra are great characters with fun interactions with the cast and what trauma can do to a person, Nia has a great arc about accepting who she really is, Poppi is one of the sweetest characters in the game, how she looks up to Rex/the Aegis since she's an artificial blade and Morag is treated as one of the most competent members of the cast and is rarely if ever treated as a joke.

Again, I get it, the character designs aren't for everyone, but I think the game deserves more credit with how it treats it's women.
The character designs at least are very memorable, and quite pretty designs overall. I found a lot of the Xeno 1 cast to be kind of bland both design and personality-wise. Xeno 2 wears its... passions on its sleeve, for better or worse.
 

Aaron

Rattata
I definitely prefer 1. Playing through Definitive Edition confirmed for me that it's not just nostalgia talking. That said, I enjoyed 2 very much as soon as I accepted that it was going to run with a very different style.
 

chocolate_supra

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Good lord my thumbs are hurting from all these Yeah!s I'm clicking.

There was no lead character designer, which I believe is something Monolith Soft has identified they want to work on. At the very least it's pretty safe to assume 3's characters will be designed by different people than 2.
I think you're thinking of Xenoblade 1, which certainly was made without a character designer. They built the character models to work within the confines of the Wii capabilities, and then hired an artist after the fact to do some official art based on what they modelled.

Xenoblade 2, however, did have a lead designer (as others have pointed out) for the main cast and the main blades, had Nomura credited as a guest designer only for the Torna members (and I believe Wulfric also), and then the rest of the blades were all done by influential manga and anime artists spanning decades. Which I think rocks because as you unlock them it shows the names of the designers and acts as almost a manga history lesson.

Btw I love Xenoblade.
 
Xenoblade 2 fell short in almost every aspect for me. Putting aside the character designs, the quality of the writing was so frustratingly inconsistent. They clearly had some great ideas for Nia, Jin, and Malos, which reflects on Torna too, and interspersed it with entire unnecessary chapters dedicated to Tora and Poppi. It's not an issue of flat Shonen humor so much as a complete loss of pacing in sections of the game. The plot has higher highs than the original with some truly deep characters and interesting lore. The story is majestic and engrossing, when they bother to tell it. I despair to think how narrowly Monolith missed making an all time classic.

Xenoblade 2 is a wonderful game, but it's painfully obvious in hindsight that it could have been exceptional.

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
 

garf02

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There isn’t any detail in what 9-Volt specifically finds bad, but I’ll jump in since you went straight for the “just being sexy” line: please don’t reduce issues with sexualized character designs down like that. Folks have as much right to criticize character designs in the game as they do praising the gameplay or story of the game. I’m sure you’ve seen enough discussion to know what people’s issues with the designs are that you don’t need to imply they are just being prudes.
Im not saying you (him) cant criticize, but I dont think "I dont like this" equates "Its bad" ...except Dahlia, something about the size of her head in relation to the rest of her body irks me for some reason
 

Pascal

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It's the game that made me realize that Xenoblade, a series that I previously adored, was no longer for me. And that's okay.
 

garf02

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While everyone is free to have their opinion on the character designs (and I get it; some of them ARE horny designs), I think the overall treatment of the female cast is handled really well. Pyra and Mythra are great characters with fun interactions with the cast and what trauma can do to a person, Nia has a great arc about accepting who she really is, Poppi is one of the sweetest characters in the game, how she looks up to Rex/the Aegis since she's an artificial blade and Morag is treated as one of the most competent members of the cast and is rarely if ever treated as a joke.

Again, I get it, the character designs aren't for everyone, but I think the game deserves more credit with how it treats it's women.
this, hell, game even makes sure (several times) that Tora, his dad, and his grandpa, are the weird ones of the bunch (and they really got "sanitized" in the translation compared to JP)
 

FiveOVER

Rattata
When I first played Xenoblade 1 back on the wii, I find the story and music pretty engaging. However, I find the muted color palette and wooden character faces less so. More importantly, it is bogged down by the combat system that I find wholly unfun, with a weird blend between real-time and turn-based combat.

At the time, applying my expectations of real time combat based on my previous experiences was a bad idea. I compared it to the environment interactive combat of the last story and the fast paced kingdom heart/tales of games, and I just find Xenoblade 1's combat... lacking.

I even compared it to the flashy and complex turn-based combat jrpgs at the time, including Arc Rise, and I also find Xenoblade's tactical options lacking.

It didn't help that I was just sick of the grindy MMO's combat at the time and find it odd that Xenoblade 1 would mimic an MMO's lackluster combat system that I've completely written off. I got all the way until final acts of the game, and then just... lost interest.

Then came Xenoblade 2. I was apprehensive at first, the beginning of Xenoblade 2's combat wasn't much different, until I was introduced to the blade combo, driver combo and the rest was history. Xenoblade 2 became one of my favorite jrpgs of all time, and even propelled me to replay and complete the original Xenoblade 1.
 

Seik

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Xenoblade Chronicles, back then on Wii, became the second coming of JRPGs when I was in an utmost jaded state. It became my favorite JRPG of modern times the moment it came out.

Then Xenoblade Chronicles 2 came out, and it smashed everything the first game did, story, music, everything. My only gripe with it is that some character designs are waaaay over the top, but except that it's a chief kiss all the way.

I was just done playing it after 120 hours and I felt depressed because I knew I wouldn't appreciate a game THIS much for a while.
 

Snow Halation

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Great story with some cringe moments and amazing character designs too. Wouldn't change a single thing about most of them. Though I'll admit I'm a bit biased toward Dahlia since Risa Ebata is someone I've followed for a VERY long time. Her art has been a big thing during my formative years.
 

Weskerlover

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Amazing game and one of the very best JRPGs. Some atrocious character designs, however. I hope they turn it down a notch in 3 =)
 

chocolate_supra

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So good that even Nintendolife can't get it off their minds:
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sir_AnGer

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It is indeed. It has some genuinely breathtaking vistas (Uraya/Inividia looks goddamn gorgeous when the trees in the stomach glow), I love the characters (even if some can be a little over the top, I agree) to the point where I actually want to theme my next tower PC after one of the Aegis' designs, I love that it's a 'big' RPG that has anime-inspired designs and isn't a goddamn dungeon crawler (Yes, Persona 5 is a dungeon crawler, get over it) or a SRPG(/VN hybrid) or a simulation RPG (I love all these genres, but for a time, it felt as though the only games that took cues from an anime style were in these subgenres).

I like Xenoblade 1 too, but 2 fixed quite a few misgivings about the game I initially had (combat took way too long to get used to and the Bonus EXP system made it so that early combat could still be considered challenging while allowing people like me who still prefer to explore the area(s) before heading on with the story to do so) and after hearing XCDE introduced some of those improvements, I might actually go and play the first one again.
 

Herb Alpert

Insert clever pun here
Founder
Here you go. More yeahs than you could possibly imagine.

Now seriously, is there really people out there listening to this musical equivalent of a tooth extraction and thinking to themselves "Wow, that's a really good song. I like the Yeahs and the fact that they come back each and every time"?

No, I can't believe such people exist.
This can't be.
 

excelsior

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Now seriously, is there really people out there listening to this musical equivalent of a tooth extraction and thinking to themselves "Wow, that's a really good song. I like the Yeahs and the fact that they come back each and every time"?

No, I can't believe such people exist.
This can't be.
Masochism is a real thing and so its likely there are people who enjoy dental extraction, both literal and audible. Besides, post above mine suggests Malos loves it.
 

takriel

Hylian Hero
It's a shame I never got far into it. I'm one of those people who were really put off by the character designs. I truly believe from what I've seen and heard that benath it there's a great game to be played.

Xenoblade 1 single-handedly rekindled my love for gaming and helped initiate my gaming renaissance. It's a very special game to me.
 

ShadowFox08

Rattata
-The costume designs could have been a lot better. Rex's original one is bad, and it took me a long time to get used to Pyra's outfit (could have been more modest from the start)

-sidequests, especially blades were painfully long

-field skills itself aren't a pain, but locking it to some blades was lame

-menu could have been better. its pretty convoluted d going through the menus

-gatcha didn't bother me as much as I thought it would

-i wish come if the cast was older. Like Rex and Nia

Overall great game and probably my favorite single player game on switch. Soundtrack, world's, character development, story and gameplay are fantastic. Luckily Torna offered a lot of QoL improvements, and I highly recommend all Xenoblade fans to check it out.
 

Shadow

Openly likes cuddles
I absolutely loved it, but never came around to playing the DLC within the game. I did finish Torna on its own, which I found to be a more well rounded experience unlike the original which didn't gatekeep certain things from the player. Well, at least it did not for me, since I loved to explore the world and connecting the world was part of that objective of seeing everything the game had to offer to me (I also found all the barrels way before the ending for example).
Have to mention though that Xenoblade 2 does have some... Let's say, questionable design decisions throughout. Ignoring a certain subject, which is well established at this point. The menu design was just garbage, the story just stops for about ten hours with Chapter 4 for no real reason and literally nothing happens, the tutorials are hilariously awful and had to be uploaded to YouTube by Nintendo because you couldn't access them again, the gacha system for getting Blades was dreadful, locking certain quests and storylines behind extremely rare Blades was just an insult especially when you consider the pull rate of KOS-MOS in specific and her backstory/H2H that she gives.
I completely get why the game released in the state that it did, and the patches absolutely made the game a lot better. But man, I wish 2 got the same menu/navigational treatment in terms of overhaul as Xenoblade DE received.

Also, I can't let a Xenoblade 2 topic slide without posting the Tantal Theme, IT'S THE LAW!

 

Joseki

Power and Reze enjoyer
Can we talk for a moment about how great of a job does Torna with making you feel part of Auresco and its cozy atmosphere only to make the moment of its destruction more impactful?

You know it is coming, you know how it’s going to happen and they delivered it beautifully.
 
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Reinhard Schneider

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I love it. I'm playing it slowly, palating every single detail.

It has some annoyances, you really need to make sure to improve your blades so you can get all their field skills (i found myself trapped near the end of the game because i didn't bother to develop certain skills) and some designs are questionable at best, but i find the characters to be top notch.

Last time i booted the game i reached the life tree. The previous section left me almost speechless, particularly with the implications in the end.

It may be because i'm not much of a RPG guy (i have very little time to invest in vg, sadly) but the game hits me hard sometimes.
 

OTBWY

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I'm keyser soze. Here goes.

  • Rex is actually a fine character. Shoes dont make the man.
  • Dahlia looks fine in-game.
  • The gatcha wasn't that bad, though getting KOS-MOS was
  • XC2 is closer to XC1 than XCX to XC1. That's why I like it a tad bit more.
 

Oregano

Asano stan
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By no means a perfect game, but a fantastic game and whilst it might be a bit cliche and vapid it's hard to think of a game with more heart.
 

Liha

Rattata
The game is great but the field skills are awful and pure trash. I wasted around 10-15 hours leveling the blades because I thought it’s optional and not necessary to progress in the story. I really hope that they remove them in the next game.
 

Zellia

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I think XC2 gets more right than wrong but the skeevy sexualisation, gacha system, general anime cringe and field skills do drag it down. The world and exploration is just absolutely top-notch though.

I still need to play Torna and someday I should do a New Game+ on the base game too.
 

Quasi

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Yup, I love the game and I also really like most of the character designs.

It's not as good as the original Xenoblade but that's a high bar to reach anyway.
 

Dunban

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I think XC2 gets more right than wrong but the skeevy sexualisation, gacha system, general anime cringe and field skills do drag it down. The world and exploration is just absolutely top-notch though.

I still need to play Torna and someday I should do a New Game+ on the base game too.
Yeah I agree. Torna is better with it though, you should definitely play it. It doesn't even have gacha (and therefore no need of merc missions or swapping out blades either). And the Tornan titian is pretty fun to explore.
 

Oregano

Asano stan
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The game is great but the field skills are awful and pure trash. I wasted around 10-15 hours leveling the blades because I thought it’s optional and not necessary to progress in the story. I really hope that they remove them in the next game.

The actual annoying thing is from the top of my head the first time it's a problem is like 70% through the game(Cliffs of Morytha). If it was more constant throughout the game there would at least be incentive to keep on top of it.
 

Aleh

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It’s amazing to see so much love for this game in this thread, and especially with how people have voiced fair criticism towards it in a respectful way that didn’t end with hyperboles!
 
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