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Politics Why are some religions considered untrue "myths" while others are regarded as completely fine?

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Like, there was Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Aztec, etc, religions that are now regarded as myths. But then we accept Christianity and other modern religions as completely normal and reasonable to practice. What's the difference? What makes one so much more reasonable than the others?
 
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Because of the number of current believers in those religions and how they are set up to make a profit or to control their population (or both)
 
Same reason why some languages are "ancient" and some are currently spoken I guess šŸ‘€ convention?
 
Same reason why some languages are "ancient" and some are currently spoken I guess šŸ‘€ convention?
Latin died because it was standardized for religion because the regional variants resulted in drastically different understandings of text
 
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There's also frequently a racism aspect to it, where a lot of non-"western" religions get automatically referred to only as mythology regardless of how many people actually still practice it. For example, the Mayan religion is still alive and well but I don't think most people realize that, with the way it gets referred to,
 
There's also frequently a racism aspect to it, where a lot of non-"western" religions get automatically referred to only as mythology regardless of how many people actually still practice it. For example, the Mayan religion is still alive and well but I don't think most people realize that, with the way it gets referred to,
I didn't realize that! That's actually pretty cool.
 
I think the huge difference is that religion nowadays is more like a moral code and not a system of beliefs. Christians and jewish people don't believe in golems, leviathans and other crazy stuff mentioned in the Torah / Old Testament. Catholics specifically claim that stories like Noah's Ark shouldn't be taken in a literal way since they are more like allegories. It's true that a lot of christians don't deny the existence of angels, animas, demons, etc. but I think those myths are a very small part of their religion.
 
There's the vernacular use of myth--loosely, a commonly held false belief--and the academic sense, where myth means something to the effect of "traditional, culturally widespread, and culturally important story with indeterminable factual basis;" notably, indeterminable does not mean false. Something like the story of Newton and the apple tree is a myth, despite not having to do with a religion. The Iliad and The Odyssey are both myths, even though there's a general sense the Trojan War happened, so there's truth to them. And yes, ye olde stories in the Bible like how Jesus turned water into wine is also a myth. At least in the academic sense, it's not even convention; Christian myths are myths and I doubt any serious mythologist would disagree.

Point is: outside of academic contexts, people just feel uncomfortable seeing their religion's stories called myths since they either read the intent as "false belief" even when that's not the intention and/or they feel uncomfortable seeing their religion given parity with other religious beliefs. That's my guess, anyway.
 
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Christians and jewish people don't believe in golems, leviathans and other crazy stuff mentioned in the Torah / Old Testament. Catholics specifically claim that stories like Noah's Ark shouldn't be taken in a literal way since they are more like allegories.
They may be in the minority, but there are still a bunch of Christians who think the Bible and all the weird stuff in the OT is literally true, and that Noah's Ark was real and that the world was created in seven literal days. (Even though three of those days happen before the creation of the sun itself, which is how we measure days, and plants are created before the sun as well, but you're not supposed to think about that too much.)
 
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Why is drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes considered normal and smoking weed not?
It is always a combination of tradition, power and politics. Heck look back into history and watch how entire
wars have been fought because of Religion and how the winner decided which god exists and which not.
 
Honestly, if someone told me that they literally still believe in the Greek gods, I'd probably just think that's cool and wouldn't judge them at all, at least as long as they didn't use that as an excuse for heinous beliefs. The only thing is that there don't really seem to be people like that.
 
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Please remember that religion is a sensitive and personal topic. The OP presents a question about modern religions in general, and it would be more appropriate to stick to that context as opposed to arguing a "best" religion. - paranoodle, Donnie, Harina
Well, it depends on the number of followers. It turned out that Christianity was a more popular and more powerful idea than the rest of them. It is something like evolution in biology but in the world of ideas. The one that is the most adapted to the new realia survives and eats all the others.
Christianity was also oppressed for a long time since it was a small religion in the Roman Empire. Still, it got power, and it was their turn to teach everyone else how to live. Thatā€™s why there are so many churches in portland now.
Also, Christianity bought something new to the religious context since it declared everyone to be equal in Christ.
 
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I think the huge difference is that religion nowadays is more like a moral code and not a system of beliefs. Christians and jewish people don't believe in golems, leviathans and other crazy stuff mentioned in the Torah / Old Testament. Catholics specifically claim that stories like Noah's Ark shouldn't be taken in a literal way since they are more like allegories. It's true that a lot of christians don't deny the existence of angels, animas, demons, etc. but I think those myths are a very small part of their religion.
This is obviously just my take but I think the moral code of Christianity is nicely summed up by the 10 commandments and Jesus's "be kind to people/love thy neighbour" vibe. If Christians were all about following that, I could really get behind it. But I feel like practicing Christians are actually very much into the supernatural/mythic elements, whether it's heaven and hell, or God watching over them, and so on. And some use obscure details in the Bible to justify prejudices like homophobia. (By the way I say all this as someone christened by the Church of England and who attended church as a kid.)
 
Itā€™s a rough question to answer. As a Catholic, I can only speak on my view of the church, that one of the reasons the church has managed to survive is that it started embracing science full stop, and a strong stance on social justice. The church believes in evolution, that most of the sprites on the Bible are not to be taken literally, etc. While it still has a good bit to go, the church has evolved and keeps doing so.

Yes, I know some of the stances of the church are still antiquated and make me raise an eyebrow, but thatā€™s why there is much divide amongst Catholics these days. Like myself. I consider myself Catholic, but am pro choice and fully believe in the LGBTQ community having every single right as everyone else full stop.

Also, I am finding American Catholics these days to be VERY different to Catholics in the rest of the world. As a non American Catholic, I full believe in democratic socialism, universal healthcare, free higher non private education, etc, etc.
 
This is obviously just my take but I think the moral code of Christianity is nicely summed up by the 10 commandments and Jesus's "be kind to people/love thy neighbour" vibe. If Christians were all about following that, I could really get behind it. But I feel like practicing Christians are actually very much into the supernatural/mythic elements, whether it's heaven and hell, or God watching over them, and so on. And some use obscure details in the Bible to justify prejudices like homophobia. (By the way I say all this as someone christened by the Church of England and who attended church as a kid.)
To be honest I don't really know how protestants justify homophobia and other types of bigotry, but I believe it's based on biblical literalism like you said. I agree that biblical literalism acts the same way as the 'myths' that the OP is referring to, although they are just limited to the moral dimension (unlike Greek, Mayan, Medieval Christianity, etc. which fulfilled the same role science plays today and could be considered the center of human life).

Speaking as someone who was raised as a catholic, I can say that the more, let's say, 'opinionated' members of the Church base their beliefs on the whole 'natural law' thing ("abortion / same-sex marriage is bad because it's not naturalā„¢"), which originated from Thomas Aquinas and other philosophers. In the end you could say that people who believe the natural law argument are wrong, but at least they don't justify their ideas solely on the existence of a sky fairy, which is what a 'myth' does.
(There's also atheists that are into the whole "it's not natural" shtick, believe it or not. It's more a philosophical thing rather than theological)
 
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To be honest I don't really know how protestants justify homophobia and other types of bigotry, but I believe it's based on biblical literalism like you said. I agree that biblical literalism acts the same way as the 'myths' that the OP is referring to, although they are just limited to the moral dimension (unlike Greek, Mayan, Medieval Christianity, etc. which fulfilled the same role science plays today and could be considered the center of human life).

Speaking as someone who was raised as a catholic, I can say that the more, let's say, 'opinionated' members of the Church base their beliefs on the whole 'natural law' thing ("abortion / same-sex marriage is bad because it's not naturalā„¢"), which originated from Thomas Aquinas and other philosophers. In the end you could say that people who believe the natural law argument are wrong, but at least they don't justify their ideas solely on the existence of a sky fairy, which is what a 'myth' does.
(There's also atheists that are into the whole "it's not natural" shtick, believe it or not. It's more a philosophical thing rather than theological)

Yup. The church tells us not to take it literally, and believe science. So I do just that. Follow the science and do not take it literally. Not taking it literally and following the science tells me same-sex relations and marriage are perfectly fine. Contradicted yourself church!

People ask why do I identify with catholic despite not agreeing with some of the stances of the church and even because I consider myself more of an agnostic depending on the day, it is quite easy. How does that work? Well, I am Spanish. Cannot speak to other countries, but Spanish Catholics, unlike American Catholics, it is akin to Judaism in a way. It is cultural, even if you do not believe in the religion. It has become so ingrained in everything from foods, festivals, art, music, social issues, etc.

Same way there are many Jewish folk who do not believe in God and think it is all baloney, but still identify as Jewish from a cultural perspective. It is a heritage.

Catholicism is just part of my culture and heritage, even despite that my family on my fathers side being Sephardi.
 
I do think a lot of it has to do with lack of followers, the lack of an organized congregation of believers spreading their beliefs and how modern religions have tried to use their more "concrete" belief system you can't disprove unless you die to say the gods on Mount Olympus, or Gods whose influence only existed regionally.

It's very funny to see how so much of the world had different beliefs and religions, yet the Jewish/Christian/Catholic or whatever other faith from the same chapter believe their religion is the real one. All while there are different belief systems that predate those, but then they want to argue the science is wrong all while using science to try to further prove their beliefs while also denying the science that disproves them.

It's crazy the means to ends people will do to justify their chapter of belief. All while I compare the Jewish/Christian/Catholic God to be equally as real as Odin, Zeus or Horus. And respect my wiccan friends who want to worship Hades or whomever just as much as I do with the other Gods.

My family did leave their countries one way or another for religious freedom and I'm glad I get to live in country where I have the choice to be Agnostic.

All I ask is for any believers in whatever religion your in, stop calling people non-believers. It's rude, it's only saying to yourselves these people just don't believe, when we look at it as: No we fundamentally agree it doesn't exist, belief is a concept or idealism. It's not a practice everyone follows. You treat it that way and believe that's how your world should operate. The faster we can move past that the more hope I have people will stop trying to trickle in their religious beliefs in government.
 
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An Introduction: Mythology and Religion

At the crux of this inquiry, we have the question of what the difference is between mythology and religion; as such, before we can delve into the particular usages, it might behoove us to determine what these terms mean.

A myth is merely a traditional story, such that is meant to explain or shed light on the (especially early) history of a people or place, or to explain phenomenon whether natural or social.

The veracity of such stories is not an element of the term; as such, just because something is mythology does not inherently preclude that thing from being true.

Take the Big Bang, evolution, and that whole facet of scientific and historic thought. We might look at various pieces of evidence and say, "yup, no myth here. This is clearly simple evidence," but once we fashion it into a story, take that evidence and try to explain origins and early history, we mythologize it -- because that's what myth is. The ancients took what they saw and knew, and they fashioned that into stories to try to explain the world around them, and we call that mythology.

You can see this concept in play with J.R.R. Tolkien's concept of the "True Myth," his designation for the stories behind Christianity, which he considered the different mythological systems reflect; this belief can be seen in how he constructed his own Legendarium. Given the influence on this exerted by his particular beliefs, one might even suggest this mythopoeia was a religious expression.

Because religion, on the other hand, stems from a particular belief (some would say in a god or gods, specifically, but that seems a bit narrow), which then takes form in people's lives -- worship, or the actual practice of the religion --; the key here is that religion is put into practice and takes form, in some way, in the lives of its adherents.

For these purposes, myths are these sorts of stories, regardless of the truth behind them; religion is the manifestation of those stories in people's lives. The myth and the religion are separate things, though they may be intertwined.

Where Myth and Religion Separate: Examples

Paranoodle referenced earlier the Mayan religion, which can be, actually, a good example. One might most often hear in this area of the stories, the gods and characters and occurrences, the mythology, as it were; once we begin talking of priests or rituals or customs or other manners in which cultural beliefs take form in actual practice, now we've shifted from Mayan mythology to Mayan religion.

It's the same with the Greek example offered in the initial question: when we consider the stories, we examine Greek mythology; when we study the associated practices, we are looking at Hellenic religion. A Hellenic Reconstructionist, for example, will look at the mythology in order to reconstruct and practice the religion.

For an easy example from what is referred to in the opening post as religion, we can see this reflected in the recorded words of Jesus, who did not say that "pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: that the world was created in seven days and all was good before mankind fell, that the world was covered in a flood as judgement, that the Hebrew people continued to turn from the Lord and continually fell into captivity even as their God always recieved them back, and so forth," but that this pure religion is "to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained from the world." Religion relies on the manner in which one's beliefs manifest, not the stories that might be basis for that religion.

In Answer to Your Question

The above examples provide an explanatory framework for why we might think one thing is considered myth and another religion.

The closer we are in proximity or knowledge of people practicing a set of beliefs, the more likely we are to speak of it in such manner. We speak regarding these groups with their religious expression, not necessarily of the underlying stories specifically.

The further we are, however, in proximity or knowledge of people practicing a set of beliefs, the more likely we are to speak of it in that manner, regarding not the people and their religious expression, but regarding the mythology, the underlying stories behind it.

Consider the example above, where we speak of Mayan or Hellenic stories, characters and events, of the mythology, but when we speak of customs and rituals and what the people did, it's of their religion. Whether we're speaking of the stories or of how those directed people's lives is what determines whether we're speaking of mythology or of religion, and different people in different cases are more likely to refer to one or the other.

So wherein lies the contention?

Now, this all gets muddied when different meanings of the word "myth" are conflated in common parlance, whether intentionally or through ignorance. As we've looked at these stories and declared them false, the word "myth" has taken on an additional meaning, simply that of something which is untrue.

We've already determined that, for the area of discussion proposed by the initial question here, myth and mythology do not necessarily take on this meaning. But some do not understand this and, as such, are wont to take offense at some of these stories being referred to as such.

This is compounded by certain factions, who, regardless of whether they understand the term (and I tend to assume they don't), weaponize it as an attack against beliefs with which they disagree, saying "that's only a myth."

And this can feed further into the first point, while also denigrating the basic idea of mythology as less-than.

These points likely play into the question at hand, but, nevertheless, they ignore the basic meanings and distinctions.
 


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