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Discussion Socialism Discussion Thread

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Zellia said:
In the face of all of this, where does the left go from here? Electoralism seems like a busted flush in many countries.
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I don't know. Sucks to say, but maybe for some reason we need to go through it? And then hope we have actual class consciousness because of it?

Maybe it's a cyclical thing, that fascism shows its ugly face every few decades or so. Or maybe it's something that will stay with us and get worse and worse as the energy crisis and water shortages and climate disasters worsen over the years.

Sorry for the ramble, I don't mean to be bleak. Let's hope we all get through it.
 
OTBWY said:
I don't know. Sucks to say, but maybe for some reason we need to go through it? And then hope we have actual class consciousness because of it?

Maybe it's a cyclical thing, that fascism shows its ugly face every few decades or so. Or maybe it's something that will stay with us and get worse and worse as the energy crisis and water shortages and climate disasters worsen over the years.

Sorry for the ramble, I don't mean to be bleak. Let's hope we all get through it.
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Genuine question: Do you think it's likely PVV can form a government coalition?
 
I'm so angry and upset about Wilders winning the elections in the Netherlands, where I unfortunately live. I feel so bad for the muslim population in the country. It's a very dark day in the history of our country.

We have learned nothing from the past. NOTHING.

You can't secure or maintain a democracy with anti-democratic elements infesting the political sphere.
 
Zellia said:
In the face of all of this, where does the left go from here? Electoralism seems like a busted flush in many countries.
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I think the left needs to shift quite a bit on international affairs. It's really only going to get worse with climate change, with famine, lack of water, and increasing number of disasters. The left needs a message about these things, because it continues to be ignored. Of course people are going to flock to people who actually acknowledge these issues instead of not reassuring the people and communicating a general plan of what people can expect.

This doesn't necessarily mean Xenophobia, but it has to come with some measure of protection for its citizens. If the government reasurred, and created new jobs for incoming refugees and built housing. And also, provided way more advertising that it would boost the economy. I guarantee that people wouldn't be as scared. People want their lives to be the same, and/or get better. Harboring Refugees seems like an intensely scary concept to the general population, the left needs to know how to comfort it.
 
Chaotic Neutral said:
Genuine question: Do you think it's likely PVV can form a government coalition?
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Probably yes. Highly likely even. They already have the backing of the farmers party (the BBB). All they need is one extra coalition partner which imo will be the previous ruling party, the VVD. They lost big but are sizable enough to be a serious partner. And since they made overtures during the campaign i'm certain they will be at the negotiating table.

Now, the real deal is what will happen after. I am thinking that the PVV will begin some sort of anti muslim bullshit that will sour a good part of their base, since the media kept telling them that Wilders has softened on Islam (A LIE) but more importantly I am guessing one or both coalition partners will not go along with that. When that happens, we will have new elections and my hope is that the PVV won't have the same support after it (since people will have seen that it has NOT softened on extreme anti muslim bigotry).
 
The election year in the united states is already a farce to view as a communist having been through this song and dance with democratic party defenders before.
 
LouisACommie said:
Nah just hearing from Biden defenders going on about him being the new FDR still.
Though the tiktok ban thing is stupid
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I don't think Biden has done anything as significant as the New Deal. Well, the Medicaid price negotiating thing is very substantial, but the New Deal was a veeeeeery macro and micro economic and socially consequential project.

The TikTok bang is a Trojan Horse inside a Trojan Horse:
  • The State having the power to selectively ban social media;
  • Right Wing millionaires and billionaires yet again acquiring a social network to publish their alt right and nazi ideologies
 
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