Why do I get this awful feeling that Nintendo are gonna stop releasing N64 games after Mario Golf gets released...
Nah we had 38 slots(min) datamined back when this started, there’ll be moreWhy do I get this awful feeling that Nintendo are gonna stop releasing N64 games after Mario Golf gets released...
At the very least I expect the monthly drops to continue since we just got genesis on time. Maybe we’ll get lucky and get a new roadmap in the next release date announcement in the next week or two. It is possible we get CRUIS’N usa or Pokémon puzzle league next while Japan gets custom Robo V1Well things are going to get interesting this month for the service. The second wave of MK8D DLC feels likely, but I wonder what happens next for N64.
I really want Wave Race 64, 1080 and Pilotwings 64 in the next batch. The latter's never gotten a rerelease even.At the very least I expect the monthly drops to continue since we just got genesis on time. Maybe we’ll get lucky and get a new roadmap in the next release date announcement in the next week or two. It is possible we get CRUIS’N usa or Pokémon puzzle league next while Japan gets custom Robo V1
The other assumed problem is Nester ownership. But yeah WTC and you can shoot at itI'd love to see those Konami and Capcom titles, @fiendcode! As to Pilotwings, there's a facsimile of the World Trade Center in the game, right? I think they'd need to edit it out for a re-release, but that seems reasonably in line with other changes they've made to N64 games. So I think we could see it this time.
Yeah I’d happily take the whole Konami lineup. And with how aggressive they’ve been on genesis I can’t see them not including n64 Sega/Atlus games in that dealI really want Wave Race 64, 1080 and Pilotwings 64 in the next batch. The latter's never gotten a rerelease even.
Also for 3rd party stuff it's really time to bring Konami in. Between them and Hudson, it's probably the overall biggest 3rd party N64 catalog with a lot of viable stuff (Goemon series, Castlevania series, Bomberman series, Star Soldier VE, Rakuga Kids, Hybrid Heaven, Last Legion UX, Track & Field series, etc). Capcom also could be fun even though they have a lot less to offer (RE2, MM64) and Sega/Atlus also has some good stuff too of course (Puyo Puyo Sun/~on, Snowboard Kids 1-2).
This is my assumption. I figure it's also why they locked these games into a subscription and don't offer a purchase option: to try and retain subscribers into the longer term.So, we're going with the presumption that Nintendo will seamlessly carry all these (and the base tier NES/SNES) libraries over to what's next rather than once again starting over... right? It's just gonna move to the next system, right?
I know they've spoken about cultivating and continuing to add to the online membership service going forward but... it's Nintendo's online service. I can't not brace for the worst.
Nintendo going back to square one with their legacy library for fifth time would really dumb.So, we're going with the presumption that Nintendo will seamlessly carry all these (and the base tier NES/SNES) libraries over to what's next rather than once again starting over... right? It's just gonna move to the next system, right?
I know they've spoken about cultivating and continuing to add to the online membership service going forward but... it's Nintendo's online service. I can't not brace for the worst.
Yeah I do imagine the numbers would plummet if they started at a foundational level again, and clearly they're trying to build this thing up best they can despite the discouragingly high cost of the expansion. With stuff like the DLC offered losing value moving onto new systems, they'd probably at least want to keep the back catalogue. You'd think.This is my assumption. I figure it's also why they locked these games into a subscription and don't offer a purchase option: to try and retain subscribers into the longer term.
Just the NES?NES is here to stay. Earthbound will be an event once again because they know the fanbase/case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't doubt the doubt at this point.....
It would be. And this time they probably won't. But look... doing it a fifth time means it's already happen four times before.Nintendo going back to square one with their legacy library for fifth time would really dumb.
Yes, but this time they have gotten into subscription territory, they can't afford to start from scratch. They have said they want to keep expanding the suscribers, so starting again from zero wouldn't have any sense. I think they will keep the games and they will become more aggressive including dlc expansions from older games.Yeah I do imagine the numbers would plummet if they started at a foundational level again, and clearly they're trying to build this thing up best they can despite the discouragingly high cost of the expansion. With stuff like the DLC offered losing value moving onto new systems, they'd probably at least want to keep the back catalogue. You'd think.
Just the NES?
It would be. And this time they probably won't. But look... doing it a fifth time means it's already happen four times before.
New N64 addition - Pokemon Puzzle League, from 15 July
Not the most exciting of games to see being added, to be honest.
I can't see them restarting the retro system libraries again, maybe ever. They aren't in the most glorious forms here but the NSO service is designed to last beyond the current Switch. The slow drip feed is for Nintendo's sake, so they still have games to drop on this service in 2024 or 2025. I can guarantee they have a lot left to release for NES and SNES, maybe some things people aren't expecting much; and i'd presume the same can be said for N64 and MD, as well as any other future platforms after GB and GBA.
Okay, initial datamining time. There are at least 38 N64 games planned for the service.
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They're listed alphabetically, so you could try to guess which games fall into the gaps. I'm certain #37 is Majora's Mask and 14-16 are Mario Party 1-3, for example.
1 | 1080 Snowboarding* |
2 | Banjo Kazooie* |
3 | |
4 | |
5 | |
6 | |
7 | Dr Mario 64 |
8 | Excitebike 64* |
9 | F-Zero X* |
10 | Goldeneye 007* |
11 | Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards* |
12 | Mario Golf* |
13 | Mario Kart 64 |
14 | Mario Party 1* |
15 | Mario Party 2* |
16 | Mario Party 3* |
17 | Mario Tennis |
18 | |
19 | |
20 | |
21 | |
22 | Paper Mario* |
23 | Pilotwings 64* |
24 | Pokemon Puzzle League* |
25 | Pokemon Snap* |
26 | Pokemon Stadium* |
27 | Pokemon Stadium 2* |
28 | |
29 | Sin & Punishment |
30 | Star Fox 64 |
31 | Super Mario 64 |
32 | |
33 | Wave Race* |
34 | Win Back |
35 | |
36 | Yoshi's Story |
37 | The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask* |
38 | The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time |
That's pretty much it for first-party. Still hoping for Rayman 2 (perhaps together with Tonic Trouble?), Diddy Kong Racing, and maybe one or more of the Star Wars games.
I think with Banjo and GoldenEye, there's a decent chance we see Perfect Dark. You said the slots for things after the data mine aren't set in stone, so that means slots 18-28 aren't locked down, right?
Problem with Perfect Dark is that is rated M, that alone makes it unlikely to show up;I think with Banjo and GoldenEye, there's a decent chance we see Perfect Dark. You said the slots for things after the data mine aren't set in stone, so that means slots 18-28 aren't locked down, right?
I think with Banjo and GoldenEye, there's a decent chance we see Perfect Dark. You said the slots for things after the data mine aren't set in stone, so that means slots 18-28 aren't locked down, right?
With GE being added to Rare Replay, I get the feeling MS wants to keep the rest of their Rare titles to themselves.
I guess I'm thinking they probably negotiated some list of Rare games to come to NSO over a year ago. We just only know about Banjo and GE so far.With GE being added to Rare Replay, I get the feeling MS wants to keep the rest of their Rare titles to themselves.
That's a good point. They could address that technically though. If they want PD on there and worked out a deal with MS, they can make it work.Problem with Perfect Dark is that is rated M, that alone makes it unlikely to show up;
GoldenEye is still T, which fits in the ESRB rating for all the NSO apps.
Having finally made the jump to Famiboards after being a lurker back on Era and a semi-active contributor on Install Base, I figured it'd only be appropriate that I bring across my NSO timeline graphic from the equivalent to this thread on Install Base; which is also now updated to August 2022 to boot. Here is said graphic, along with the full write up explaining everything:
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Every dash along the two timelines is one day, the dash itself represents the day and the first day of every month has a bigger one than the others. The beginning of the timelines is October 2021 (the month the NSO Expansion Pack launched), and almost all NSO content is included.
While shown on the graphic, I would like to quickly run through the categorization system I used:
Most base NSO content is also included, which collectively make up the bottom-most row:
- NSO+EP Nintendo 64 titles - The top-most row, games are outlined in Red. Generally uses the NTSC-U/C boxart for games, except in some instances where I think the PAL boxart looks nicer (Majora's Mask and Pokémon Snap).
- NSO+EP Sega Genesis/Mega Drive titles - The second row from the top, games are outlined in Blue. Uses NTSC-U/C boxart for all games released in that region, NTSC-J for titles exclusive to the JP/HK NSO service (Puyo Puyo), and PAL for any other title (Super Fantasy Zone, Mega Man: The Wily Wars and Zero Wing).
- NSO+EP DLC - The third from from the top, games are outlined in Green. This is the section for add-ons/DLC for other NSW software that is included in the Expansion Pack: Animal Crossing Happy Home Paradise, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - Booster Course Pass (each wave will be listed at the point where it is released) and, most recently added, Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion.
Titles exclusive to a certain region on NSO are qualified with an extra section:
- NSO Famicom, FDS, NES, Super Famicom and SNES titles - All base NSO consoles are lumped together in this graphic, and games are outlined in Purple. Boxart for this section is a bit all over the place, in part due to varying sizes and orientations between the Western and Japanese boxarts. In general, western boxart is used if available (even in the case of Harvest Moon, which was only added to NSO Super Famicom, despite having an SNES release). An additional wrinkle is the addition of SP versions for games - these are shown seperately and just use the games logo to save space.
- Tetris 99 Maximus Cups - Due to Tetris 99 originally being an NSO-only title until its physical release, and all online content still being locked behind NSO, I've included extra content for this game as well - outlined in Light Blue/Cyan. Every Maximus Cup (except the most recent one, Cup #30 - which is just a combined rerun of older ones) adds a theme to the game, and thus counts as additional content.
- PAC-MAN 99 DLC - Similarly, PAC-MAN 99 is NSO-exclusive - and thus its various DLC packs are also NSO-exclusive; these are shown in Dark Grey.
- Some content is not included: the voucher program, the NSO smartphone app, the extra Gem Apples in Super Kirby Clash and the various promotional items for Smash Ultimate. These are excluded due to either being non-applicable (in the case of the voucher program and mobile app) or hard to track down when each wave of "content" was released (in the case of Smash and Kirby).
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- Titles exclusive to the Western and Korean versions of the NSO apps have the flags of: United States and Canada (together representing the NTSC-U/C region); the United Kingdom, European Union and a combined Australia/New Zealand flag (together representing PAL) and the Republic of Korea (which depending on the console is either classed as PAL-B or NTSC-K)
- Titles exclusive to the Japanese and Hong Kong versions of the NSO apps have the flags of Japan and Hong Kong demarcating them.
- These two groups are based on the Wikipedia page for the NSO apps, which I corroborated with the various NSO websites for the various regions involved. The rest of AMEA and the rest of the Americas likely do also fall into one of these two categories but there's only so much space for flags to demarcate regions.
Hopefully this graphic is helpful and illustrative - if the size of the image is too small, open the image in a new tab to get the full size (you may have to do this twice, because imgur can be a bit iffy sometimes). The Wikipedia page for Nintendo Switch Online games is a helpful resource to refer to if you aren't able to identify what a certain game is just by it's boxart.
As always, any suggestions on how to potentially improve it are always welcome! I'm considering also making an expanded year-by-year version that splits NSO Famicom/NES (which includes FDS games as well) and NSO Super Famicom/SNES into their own rows and streches all the way back to the original NSO launch back in September '18. And I'll update the image in this post each month when the monthly N64 game (and other content) gets added.
Ok so now that we have 18 games on the system and 9 more confirmed, the rest of the lineup is starting to pan out. I put astrisks for the games added after the data mine. Those spots shouldn't be considered set in stone, but a lot should make sense, especially 7-17 since everything fits in nicely.
1 1080 Snowboarding* 2 Banjo Kazooie* 3 4 5 6 7 Dr Mario 64 8 Excitebike 64* 9 F-Zero X* 10 Goldeneye 007* 11 Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards* 12 Mario Golf* 13 Mario Kart 64 14 Mario Party 1* 15 Mario Party 2* 16 Mario Party 3* 17 Mario Tennis 18 19 20 21 22 Paper Mario* 23 Pilotwings 64* 24 Pokemon Puzzle League* 25 Pokemon Snap* 26 Pokemon Stadium* 27 Pokemon Stadium 2* 28 29 Sin & Punishment 30 Star Fox 64 31 Super Mario 64 32 33 Wave Race* 34 Win Back 35 36 Yoshi's Story 37 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask* 38 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
There's still DK64, Smash Bros. and the Crusin' games but yeah, it's third parties/Rare from here on out lol
Updated this:
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Look at poor Ogre Battle 64 all by itself, it's the one N64 title released on Wii AND Wii U VC that still isn't available on NSO...
Do you think they'd attempt online multiplayer with smash 64?