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Well I don't see diffenrence between blowing stuff or just jumping over stuff. That doesn't change the genre.
The RPG elements in Zelda are super light. Lighter than a soulslike. Which I'd argue is pretty light already lol. But yes of course there are RPG elements.
Yup. There are nuances to genres for sure. Sadly some people just mislabel instead of describing the nuance.
Eh, agree to disagree. Action adventure is something more like Uncharted. Zelda has always been Nintendoβs traditional fantasy RPG series.
I do have a very strict definition of platformer but I'll admit due entirely to my tastes. People have convinced me over the years that it's some sort of purism. But I'll say that the one I played (PS4) didn't entirely sell me on that on the first few hours
you're completely right... i actually have no idea why i wrote that in there like that earlier lol. action-adventure is a phenomenal tag, my salt is only with the binary-genre discourse as "action-adventure" almost always is the winning thread-ender. it is the cranberry of the juice aisle, every other genre is the underdog coming into the arena vs action-adventure.
I always consider games with critical rate as RPG games.
the good news is i also dislike how loaded metroidvania is, too much gaming discourse is people getting too upset when something isn't exactly a clone of super metroid. every series is allowed to make deviations but because metroid fans have enshrined super metroid as a genre the franchise will forever be stuck.
So are the Inklings and Octolings.
but it does get more apparent on some set-pieces and optional missions (pocket dimensions)
Exaclty, combat is most of the game, so how is that a platformer, especially as combat is not being done in a platformy way.
I have played every Ratchet game to completion except Secret Agent Clank. Also, I have played more than 200 3d platformers. And I say R&C is not a 3d platformer - it does have platformer elements though.
Right. The presence of some amount of platforming does not automatically mean the game is a platformer. I donβt think Iβve ever seen anyone classify Doom Eternal as a platformer, yet that game, moment to moment, has more required platforming in it than Rift Apart. But thatβs obviously not the core focus of the game; itβs a reprieve from the core focus of the game.
What? Blowing stuff up is clearly not platforming. Jumping over stuff is platforming. These two things play nothing alike.
I mean yeah, being absurdly reductionist is the only way you could argue Ratchet is a platformer. I donβt know if youβre agreeing or disagreeing.
Probably true, but this is in part because of how weak the jumping is in Splatoon. You're also understating the prevalence of the pure platforming segments in Doom Eternal, which are a constant presence in the game. But even during combat, you're expected to constantly platform around the arena using your various traversal tools (double jump and air dashes key among them) to avoid enemy fire and position yourself to dispatch enemies, similar to what you're describing with Splatoon. If Splatoon or R&C qualify as a platformer, I fail to see how Doom Eternal does not.
Of course there's a marked difference between the two. My point isn't that Doom Eternal and Splatoon 3 are similar games, only that they both integrate platforming mechanics and complex movement into their combat scenarios. Eternal also includes frequent, discrete platforming challenges without any combat, something that is rare in Splatoon. My point is that the arguments in favor of Splatoon and R&C as platformers are also applicable to Doom Eternal, a game nobody actively argues is a platformer.
No. Thats just the way to kill enemy. Ratchet has tons of platforming.
The other point I make whenever similar discussions come up is that genre is fundamentally a tool that allows us to make comparisons.
I can't think of a single platformer (or what I would consider a platformer, anyway) that would work at all as a competitive, combat-focused game the way Splatoon does. There's combat in Mario, Astro Bot, Crash, etc., but it's largely perfunctory. Outside of boss fights, enemies are obstacles that you can optionally engage in very simplistic combat, or avoid entirely, or in some cases even use as platforms. But the combat itself, when engaged, is not interesting, because it isn't the point.
I found it odd that Splatoon was part of this discussion because I've never seen it described as anything but a TPS or online shooter. That's it. It's genre classification did not seem to have any ambiguity.
doom eternal is awfully close to being a platformer
