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TV Hollywood writers and studios reach deadline without agreement; writers strike imminent (UPDATE: writers reach tentative agreement, actors on strike)

It's very, very disturbing that there's AI talk thrown around in this context. Getting closer to that day when somebody seriously suggests that it'd be great if real humans were replaced with AI.
 
Fuck Tom Cruise. As Fran Drescher has thankfully said, they are striking for working actors, not Tom Cruise. What a turd.
 
I've always enjoyed The Rock in movies because I find his brand of big stupid actions films entertaining and I just find him likeable in general, but truth be told I know next to nothing about him as a person, and I remember specifically having a conversation with someone about how disappointing it would be if he turned out to be a complete asshole. Nice to know he's chiming in to support the people during this strike.
 
Kitty Paws said:
I've always enjoyed The Rock in movies because I find his brand of big stupid actions films entertaining and I just find him likeable in general, but truth be told I know next to nothing about him as a person, and I remember specifically having a conversation with someone about how disappointing it would be if he turned out to be a complete asshole. Nice to know he's chiming in to support the people during this strike.
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There've been some interviews with him where he's seemed like a legitimately sweet, compassionate guy. Almost to a point where I myself have wondered if it's an act. But before he was The Rock he and his family had some pretty rough financial/living situations so maybe he's one of the ones who remembers what it was like on the other side of fame and sincerely cares.
 
This is a long watch but damn I love it



Highlights for me:

- Stephen Lang (aka the actor who played my conservative friends' favorite character in Avatar) just absolutely ripping shit up with his speech

- Tituss Burgess' incredible singing

- Christian Slater's reaction to Tituss Burgess'incredible singing

- people in the crowd shouting YES CHEF at everything Liza Colón-Zayas said

- also, everything Liza Colón-Zayas said

- Brendan Fraser very politely standing in the back the whole time ❤️

- Steve Buscemi: "How do you do, fellow actors?" 🤣

- and of course The One Who Knocks just fuckin shit up to close it off
 


Seeing these big name actors come forward with how badly they've been paid is pretty eye opening

(also, maybe a mod should update the title saying actors are also on strike)
 
Mekanos said:


Seeing these big name actors come forward with how badly they've been paid is pretty eye opening
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Yeah it's been wild. I knew a lot of big names were underpaid (basically, anyone who isn't co/producer is probably up there), but seeing exactly by how much is ridiculous.

Mekanos said:
(also, maybe a mod should update the title saying actors are also on strike)
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I'm pretty sure you should be able to edit the title yourself? AFAIK you only need the mods if the thread OP is absent.
 
deadline.com

Studios Seek To Reopen Talks With WGA On Friday

There’s movement! The WGA has confirmed that it will sit down with the AMPTP on Friday to try to put an end to the writers strike that has been going on since May 2. The guild sent a note to its me…
deadline.com

It's only a start, but perhaps the light at the end of the tunnel
 
Had a thought today, with all these big networks putting stuff that's on their streaming services on network TV to fill in the gaps this Fall as the strikes continue, I wonder if we might see Disney put new episodes of Doctor Who on ABC. 👀
 
YALL

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www.vulture.com

Overworked and Underpaid, VFX Workers Vote to Unionize at Marvel

On Monday, a group of more than 50 on-set employees filed a petition for an election to be represented by IATSE.
www.vulture.com www.vulture.com

Hopefully this will break the dam in the VFX industry. The stories I've read about how they are treated are sick.
 
chocolate_supra said:
YALL

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www.vulture.com

Overworked and Underpaid, VFX Workers Vote to Unionize at Marvel

On Monday, a group of more than 50 on-set employees filed a petition for an election to be represented by IATSE.
www.vulture.com www.vulture.com

Hopefully this will break the dam in the VFX industry. The stories I've read about how they are treated are sick.
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That's legitimately great news. Hope the VFX industry professionals can finally get some decent working conditions. It's disgusting they're treated like crap when their work has become basically essential for a lot of modern movies.

Also this sort of absolutely kills the MCU dead, lol
 
Missed this from Wednesday, but interesting Iger's comments came a day after the Marvel VFX artists voted to unionize

www.thewrap.com

Disney's Bob Iger Seeks to Mend Fences on Strike, Is 'Personally Committed' to Resolving Labor Dispute - TheWrap

CEO says "nothing is more important" than its relationship with Hollywood's creative talent
www.thewrap.com www.thewrap.com

Seems they finally elaborated on the "sticking" points that's causing the roadblock (which still don't seem all that unreasonable when the studios are the ones with all the money they're hoarding)
 
Brofield said:
Missed this from Wednesday, but interesting Iger's comments came a day after the Marvel VFX artists voted to unionize

www.thewrap.com

Disney's Bob Iger Seeks to Mend Fences on Strike, Is 'Personally Committed' to Resolving Labor Dispute - TheWrap

CEO says "nothing is more important" than its relationship with Hollywood's creative talent
www.thewrap.com www.thewrap.com

Seems they finally elaborated on the "sticking" points that's causing the roadblock (which still don't seem all that unreasonable when the studios are the ones with all the money they're hoarding)
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God I love the timing of that
 


Aubrey Plaza's sign gives me life

Edit: photos from the Parks Picket! A lot more cast members showed up than could be seen in Ben's video (including Sam Motherfuckin Elliott) and lots of people from behind the camera as well (I see creator/producer Mike Schur in there with them)!

 
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Aubrey Plaza's sign gives me life

Edit: photos from the Parks Picket! A lot more cast members showed up than could be seen in Ben's video (including Sam Motherfuckin Elliott) and lots of people from behind the camera as well (I see creator/producer Mike Schur in there with them)!

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I'm pretty sure Sam Elliott is one of the last people who would need a nametag, lol. That's like... the most recognizable mustache in Hollywood.
 
SammyJ9 said:
I'm pretty sure Sam Elliott is one of the last people who would need a nametag, lol.
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Reminds me of the time Chris Evans went to his high school reunion with a little nametag that said "Chris" while Endgame was in its second or third weekend in theaters. 🤣

Also Aubrey's says "APRIL L" I mean come on ❤️

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That's like... the most recognizable mustache in Hollywood.
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My dad was watching an old movie with him just yesterday and he was clean-shaven. I actually kinda thought that was illegal.
 
deadline.com

WGA Slams Studios’ Latest Offer & Meeting As Attempt To Make Guild “Cave”; “Not To Bargain, But To Jam Us”

Just hours after the studios and streamers made public their latest “comprehensive package” toward a deal with the striking WGA, the guild has responded – and it seems the AMPTP and top CEOs might …
deadline.com deadline.com

On Monday of this week, we received an invitation to meet with Bob Iger, Donna Langley, Ted Sarandos, David Zaslav, and Carol Lombardini. It was accompanied by a message that it was past time to end this strike and that the companies were finally ready to bargain a deal.

We accepted that invitation and, in good faith, met tonight, in hopes that the companies were serious about getting the industry back to work.

Instead, on the 113th day of the strike – and while SAG-AFTRA is walking the picket lines by our side – we were met with a lecture about how good their single and only counteroffer was.
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“This was the companies’ plan from the beginning – not to bargain, but to jam us. It is their only strategy – to bet that we will turn on each other.”

Calling out the AMPTP’s August 11 proposal for its “limitations and loopholes and omissions,” the WGA isn’t interested in what it seems to say are the studios and streamers disingenuous offers of increased residuals, A.I. controls, writers’ room standards, and transparency in metrics from the streamers. Offers the AMPTP claim “addresses all of the issues the Guild has identified as its highest priorities.”
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I have friends who are actively affected by the strike working in the film industry without being a part of either WGA/SAG-AFTRA, and for their sake I hope the strike is resolved soon.

But for real the AMPTP and the rest of the studio heads can collectively pleasure their rectum with a cactus.
 
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deadline.com

WGA Slams Studios’ Latest Offer & Meeting As Attempt To Make Guild “Cave”; “Not To Bargain, But To Jam Us”

Just hours after the studios and streamers made public their latest “comprehensive package” toward a deal with the striking WGA, the guild has responded – and it seems the AMPTP and top CEOs might …
deadline.com deadline.com



I have friends who are actively affected by the strike working in the film industry without being a part of either WGA/SAG-AFTRA, and for their sake I hope the strike is resolved soon.

But for real the AMPTP and the rest of the studio heads can collectively pleasure their rectum with a cactus.
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Can they get anymore shameless?
 
From last week, and what I feel is extremely pertinent:

www.hollywoodreporter.com

AI-Created Art Isn’t Copyrightable, Judge Says in Ruling That Could Give Hollywood Studios Pause

A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com

A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection. The ruling was delivered in an order turning down Stephen Thaler’s bid challenging the government’s position refusing to register works made by AI. Copyright law has “never stretched so far” to “protect works generated by new forms of technology operating absent any guiding human hand,” U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell found.

The opinion stressed, “Human authorship is a bedrock requirement.”
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Furthermore, from PC Magazine,
www.pcmag.com

AI Art Cannot Be Copyrighted, Judge Rules

A human has to be involved in a piece of art's creation in order for it to be copyrighted.
www.pcmag.com www.pcmag.com

While the ruling focused on a piece of physical art, it’s also bound to catch the attention of studio execs. One factor in the ongoing strikes in Hollywood is the use of AI in script writing and acting. If that AI work is not protected, then it could raise issues for the studios in the future.

In January, several artists filed suit against AI generators Stability Diffusion, Midjourney, and DreamUP claiming that the AI art generators are trained on copyrighted materials without the consent of the content owners or credit or compensation.

In July, comedian Sarah Silverman also sued Meta and OpenAI for copyright infringement claiming that her work was used to train their chatbots without the comedian’s consent. Those lawsuits also include authors Richard Kadrey and Christopher Golden.
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It's not piracy when the AI scripted movies are public domain, and the lawsuits from neural networks being trained on models without artists' consent will undoubtedly be more costly than lost revenue from torrents 🙃 Maybe this is what will finally get AMPTP to blink
 
godfuckindammit

Amazon just cancelled A League of Their Own, blaming the ongoing strike. These fuckers piss me off.
 
The AMPTP have hired a new crisis PR agency to handle their bad reputation. The agency previously worked for the US Women's Soccer team to receive equal pay and are now working to undermine striking workers to help their billionaire corps and CEOS restore their reputation. Their first effort is a puff piece about Carol Lombardini in the New York Times about how she's just a normal woman and the writers and actors are being MEAN to her (while she makes $3-4 million a year to make sure writers and actors can't afford to live)
 
A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection. The ruling was delivered in an order turning down Stephen Thaler’s bid challenging the government’s position refusing to register works made by AI. Copyright law has “never stretched so far” to “protect works generated by new forms of technology operating absent any guiding human hand,” U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell found.
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Ehhh. Until the AI starts making things of its own volition and starts shopping things around with an agent, there's definitely a guiding human hand in producing any useful output.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Ehhh. Until the AI starts making things of its own volition and starts shopping things around with an agent, there's definitely a guiding human hand in producing any useful output.
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the suggestion is that typing in prompts does not count as producing/creating art + all created from stolen work which makes it difficult to ascribe copyright to
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Ehhh. Until the AI starts making things of its own volition and starts shopping things around with an agent, there's definitely a guiding human hand in producing any useful output.
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I would consider someone commissioning an artist to be more of a "guiding human hand" than someone typing in a prompt for an AI.
 
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Apparently some studios are willing to negotiate a deal privately, at least according to the WGA 👀


“One executive said they had reviewed our proposals, and though they did not commit to a specific deal, said our proposals would not affect their company’s bottom line and that they recognized they must give more than usual to settle this negotiation,” the guild’s negotiating committee said in its latest update. “Another said they needed a deal badly. Those same executives – and others – have said they are willing to negotiate on proposals that the AMPTP has presented to the public as deal breakers. On every single issue we are asking for we have had at least one legacy studio executive tell us they could accommodate us.”
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oomoepoo said:
Apparently some studios are willing to negotiate a deal privately, at least according to the WGA 👀

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So wait... their continued specifying of "legacy" studios in that article sounds to me like the Hollywood studios wanna play ball, but the streamers are digging their heels in?

Wouldn't be surprised, actually.. no new movies means Hollywood studios can't sell tickets, but it doesn't mean Netflix and Amazon suddenly lose subscribers. Hell, I just realized the longer this goes on and the more movies and scripted tv takes a hit, the stronger streaming becomes. 😣
 
Wouldn't surprise me if individual studios reach agreements with the writers and actors. There are already approved studios like NEON still doing movies.
 
chocolate_supra said:
Wouldn't be surprised, actually.. no new movies means Hollywood studios can't sell tickets, but it doesn't mean Netflix and Amazon suddenly lose subscribers. Hell, I just realized the longer this goes on and the more movies and scripted tv takes a hit, the stronger streaming becomes. 😣
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Yeah, most streaming services probably don't really care much about this, they already have myriads of content, have contracts with non-us studios and/or don't even make most of their money with streaming (like Amazon). The ones relying on selling tickets and airing shows on their network are getting hit harder by the strike I guess
 
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