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This was also directly from the game, lol
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Tears of the Kingdom celebration!
We're celebrating the release of Tears of the Kingdom. Check out the thread here!
TV HBO's The Last of Us |ST| You know Ellie, we really are an ST subtitle [MARK SPOILERS]
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Lol! @Josh5890 and I will be taking a refresher course. And I just beat the game in January…
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Today in the US!
I'll be at an Oscars watch party but we'll watch it after, I can't wait
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Same. Oscars first, then TLOU.
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I don’t care about awards shows so will be watching it tonight. I shall await everyone’s thoughts!
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That was it?
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Yep, that’s where Part I ends.
I don’t know how I feel about them changing some of the circumstances in the finale, but I guess the outcome was the same either way. Good show. Definitely looking forward to Part II, which was the stronger game imo.
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It did end up feeling a little short, which I wasn't necessarily expecting, but I think they did a good job. They made the shoot-out with the guards and murder of the doctor suitably awful, and the final conversation hit the right notes
I'm already seeing a brand-new generation of online chads with "Joel did nothing wrong!" takes, so that's nice
I'm already seeing a brand-new generation of online chads with "Joel did nothing wrong!" takes, so that's nice
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I thought they did that pretty well. Will have some thoughts later under a spoiler tag. Not looking forward to waiting a year and half or more for the second season.
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I thought it was really well done with the slow motion. Made it seem like Joel was going through a break and didn’t really have control of his actions. Then they slowly come out of it and you can see that he’s competent and cognizant of his actions. Not saying wanting Ellie to make her choice is bad (that’s alluded to), but maybe not murdering everyone is a better option. Especially when Ellie was saying just before this has to all mean something. They played up the grief from Sarah quite well before too. Also glad they didn’t kill off the nurses as that was something I didn’t do in the game and showed a glimmer of sanity. Really Joel as a character has a lot to digest and thought Pascal played it perfect here.
I think season 2 eill be much better. In my opinion, the budget of this show was pretty constrained. The amount of cut content, mainly with zombies, made the show much worse than the game in my opinion. The sense of Dread was never really there in my opinion.
In the game, you actually get afraid of even remotely thinking on getting inside buildings.
I hope they take their time with season 2.
In the game, you actually get afraid of even remotely thinking on getting inside buildings.
I hope they take their time with season 2.
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Looking at end of 2024 for the beginning of season 2 at the earliest. Also read Part 2 is being split up into multiple seasons. Won’t spoil that but there are a couple of ways this could be structured. Will be interesting to see how they spread it out. I quite liked that the infected took a back seat in a lot of ways because I felt their use was more gameplay focused anyway. Could see if someone wanted more horror elements how they would be disappointed because some key scenes were cut from the game. Part 2 has them even less of a focal point, save for one thing.
That ispoiler has story elements or game spoilers. Just mentions part 2 and wanted to give people the option to not read it.
Good show and a very faithful adaptation, the last episode honestly felt like it was shot-for-shot the ending sequence of the game (aside from Ellie's mother). I think the show was executed well, but it also proves that playing the game is still the superior way to experience the story.
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Hmm. Overall, the finale definitely wasn't bad, but it gave me a bit of a mid vibe, in a few different regards.
I think my ultimate assessment of this adaptation is that it's a solid one, for folks lacking firsthand experience with the source material. This is still fundamentally the story of The Last of Us, and it's told through some very fine performances all around, with Bella Ramsey being a particular standout. That said, the show also serves as the perfect counter to the argument of "The Last of Us was already cinematic / show-like, so nothing is lost in the transition." This adaptation strikes down that flimsy argument with fervor. The game and show each adhere to radically different pacing structures, and there is indeed a whole lot that's been lost in the move from one medium, to the next. A 12-25 hour single player story has far more room for the quieter, more subtle, more contemplative character moments, for example. All of the little contextual convos between Joel and Ellie in the game may seem minor, but they serve a greater goal of endearing us to these two characters. Even pushing pallets around as Joel may seem boring, but it serves the purpose of giving Joel as a character (and perhaps more importantly, we, the player) ample room to develop a gradual care for Ellie, and the duo's father-daughter relationship as a whole. So, so much of that has been reworked here, if not lost entirely.
Now, has anything been gained in the transition? Sure, a little bit, here and there. Bill and Frank's episode was great, just to bring up the most notable example. Even that doesn't come without cost, however, as we saw the total omission of the Bill's town portion of the game, and that too was an important segment for Joel and Ellie's characters. At the end of the day, if I know someone is capable of enjoying both video games, and TV shows in equal capacity, I'll still recommend the game over the show.
Very curious to see how they adapt Part II, especially considering I vastly prefer it to the first game.
• Starts off okay, and I really liked the scene of Joel's confession to Ellie that he attempted to take his own life. Very well played by Pedro and Bella. Almost immediately after though, we see the entirety of the tunnel sequence replaced by... some Firefly Jim Bobs ambushing the pair. Huh? Though I do understand that the tunnel wasn't exactly "integral" to the narrative, it still served a purpose of giving us one final, tremendously tense encounter that Joel and Ellie were tasked with confronting as a pair. The panic of the rushing water sequence from the game was also better than just having some Fireflies stroll up and toss a grenade. I just rewatched it on YouTube, and there's even a really poignant shot of Ellie unconscious in the water, as Joel swims to her. The perfect visual to represent Joel's profound level of care for Ellie, and the emotional core of the story as a whole.
• We knew full well we'd only get to see an abridged version of Joel's hospital rampage, but I still feel like that little killing montage lacked appropriate weight behind it. Dunno. Game was superior here imo, especially the execution of the initial Firefly bloke that was tasked with escorting Joel out of the building.
• Jerry's death was appropriately unceremonious. He's just a dude in the way that Joel didn't think twice about killing, and that was conveyed well here. Very confused as to why they omitted Jerry's line "This is our future. Think of all the lives we'll save", though. Seems pretty important in keeping with the fact that Joel was making a deliberate choice here, and one of tremendous consequence.
• The emotional sequence with Joel running out of the hospital with Ellie in his arms while "All Gone (No Escape)" plays is completely absent. It's just not here. They opted to outright cut one of the best parts of the game's finale. Really scratching my head at this.
• Marlene's death is yet another aspect that was handled better in the game. The ringing sound and black screen that follow after Joel's gunshot are something I still haven't forgotten, even a decade later. Hell, I even remember the mediocre frozen pizza I ate that morning immediately after finishing the game, due to the stark contrast in quality between those two things. Here, it just doesn't give off the same strong impression.
• We knew full well we'd only get to see an abridged version of Joel's hospital rampage, but I still feel like that little killing montage lacked appropriate weight behind it. Dunno. Game was superior here imo, especially the execution of the initial Firefly bloke that was tasked with escorting Joel out of the building.
• Jerry's death was appropriately unceremonious. He's just a dude in the way that Joel didn't think twice about killing, and that was conveyed well here. Very confused as to why they omitted Jerry's line "This is our future. Think of all the lives we'll save", though. Seems pretty important in keeping with the fact that Joel was making a deliberate choice here, and one of tremendous consequence.
• The emotional sequence with Joel running out of the hospital with Ellie in his arms while "All Gone (No Escape)" plays is completely absent. It's just not here. They opted to outright cut one of the best parts of the game's finale. Really scratching my head at this.
• Marlene's death is yet another aspect that was handled better in the game. The ringing sound and black screen that follow after Joel's gunshot are something I still haven't forgotten, even a decade later. Hell, I even remember the mediocre frozen pizza I ate that morning immediately after finishing the game, due to the stark contrast in quality between those two things. Here, it just doesn't give off the same strong impression.
I think my ultimate assessment of this adaptation is that it's a solid one, for folks lacking firsthand experience with the source material. This is still fundamentally the story of The Last of Us, and it's told through some very fine performances all around, with Bella Ramsey being a particular standout. That said, the show also serves as the perfect counter to the argument of "The Last of Us was already cinematic / show-like, so nothing is lost in the transition." This adaptation strikes down that flimsy argument with fervor. The game and show each adhere to radically different pacing structures, and there is indeed a whole lot that's been lost in the move from one medium, to the next. A 12-25 hour single player story has far more room for the quieter, more subtle, more contemplative character moments, for example. All of the little contextual convos between Joel and Ellie in the game may seem minor, but they serve a greater goal of endearing us to these two characters. Even pushing pallets around as Joel may seem boring, but it serves the purpose of giving Joel as a character (and perhaps more importantly, we, the player) ample room to develop a gradual care for Ellie, and the duo's father-daughter relationship as a whole. So, so much of that has been reworked here, if not lost entirely.
Now, has anything been gained in the transition? Sure, a little bit, here and there. Bill and Frank's episode was great, just to bring up the most notable example. Even that doesn't come without cost, however, as we saw the total omission of the Bill's town portion of the game, and that too was an important segment for Joel and Ellie's characters. At the end of the day, if I know someone is capable of enjoying both video games, and TV shows in equal capacity, I'll still recommend the game over the show.
Very curious to see how they adapt Part II, especially considering I vastly prefer it to the first game.
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Random opening thoughts:
having Ellie’s mom get bit and transmit the fungus to her made some old scenes make sense when I didn’t think they did at the time (mostly Riley and Ellie being hit by same infected and only one turning. Now it’s obvious Ellie has always been immune).
What I don’t like is that there is almost no way that a fungal infection would cross the placental barrier in a couple of seconds. I don’t even think fungi can transmit that way. Just doesn’t make any sense. Also makes you realize that her mom would likely have been immune too and didn’t need to be killed. Obviously Marlene wouldn’t have known that. Maybe I need to rewatch to see how they frame it, but I think it was said it was the fungus that was the thing causing immunity.
I think the primate research was about this, but the fireflies should have just been collecting infected samples and seeing if anything didn’t cause zombie like conditions and develop from there. Of course, post apocalyptic genetic research would probably be hard to do, but if they can make a cure from ellie then they certainly could do it from my proposed process.
Sorry for going all science brain in this one
What I don’t like is that there is almost no way that a fungal infection would cross the placental barrier in a couple of seconds. I don’t even think fungi can transmit that way. Just doesn’t make any sense. Also makes you realize that her mom would likely have been immune too and didn’t need to be killed. Obviously Marlene wouldn’t have known that. Maybe I need to rewatch to see how they frame it, but I think it was said it was the fungus that was the thing causing immunity.
I think the primate research was about this, but the fireflies should have just been collecting infected samples and seeing if anything didn’t cause zombie like conditions and develop from there. Of course, post apocalyptic genetic research would probably be hard to do, but if they can make a cure from ellie then they certainly could do it from my proposed process.
Sorry for going all science brain in this one
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Anna is pretty clearly infected. I think the implication is that some chemical messenger transmitted through the umbilical cord before the fungus itself was able to
It seems pretty unlikely it would actually work like this in reality lol, but IMO they managed to hit plausible sounding (much like the scientist in the very first cold open - from what I've read there's many reasons beyond body temperature why cordyceps can't grow in humans, but John Hannah's explanation sounded like it could be real)
It seems pretty unlikely it would actually work like this in reality lol, but IMO they managed to hit plausible sounding (much like the scientist in the very first cold open - from what I've read there's many reasons beyond body temperature why cordyceps can't grow in humans, but John Hannah's explanation sounded like it could be real)
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yeah. They did a good job in making these things plausible at least and do have consistency within the story, so that’s good.
