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[NintenDuvo]

The good news is there's no new CMB CPU revision this month, none since March 2024 (ha!)

Nothing truly interesting turned up in my initial searches, although there's so many listings containing "steel", "rubber", "aluminum", or "plastic" that one would have to carefully go over those one by one (while search results for non-members is limited to 10, making it cumbersome). If I remove all those keywords, there's only 1 listing for June with HGU11*. There's HGU0820, HGU0830, HGU1000, HGU1010 listings as well for June.

I also found the display like pelusilla6 - can't tell if it's for new hardware either (those with membership probably could, if looking at quantity numbers, like LiC did). Still no model number or any kind of identifier unfortunately.

so with no more revisions does that mean the CMB CPU has been finalized

 

[RennanNT]

maybe a die shrink could save it but I was operating under the impression that we were seeing diminishing returns from them

They don't need a shrink to do a Lite. They could have put the OG Tegra X1 in the Lite.

The only constraint there was the 18% smaller battery capacity. The ~2:30h battery life for BotW would go even lower to ~2:05h.

But keep in mind that poor battery life wasn't the original plan, they increased the clocks last minute for BotW. And they're very likely targeting 3h+ again and would then have room to make a Lite.

With that said, the new Lite won't necessarily be same size as the current one. Might even be roughly the same size as the current hybrid.

 

[darthdiablo]

so with no more revisions does that mean the CMB CPU has been finalized

Been finalized since March at least, probably before that even (since finalizing would happen first before it shows up in shipment data)

 

[Concernt]

They don't need a shrink to do a Lite. They could have put the OG Tegra X1 in the Lite.

The only constraint there was the 18% smaller battery capacity. The ~2:30h battery life for BotW would go even lower to ~2:05h.

But keep in mind that poor battery life wasn't the original plan, they increased the clocks last minute for BotW. And they're very likely targeting 3h+ again and would then have room to make a Lite.

With that said, the new Lite won't necessarily be same size as the current one. Might even be roughly the same size as the current hybrid.

Battery density improvements in the mean time and the potential to design the system around the battery due to a small SOC and continued miniaturisation of components could mean a good battery life. Conceptually I'd like to see them explore a design like the GBA SP, where the controls, SOC and battery were stacked rather than beside each other, either as a clamshell or with the screen being one part of the sandwich.

Sacrificing a bit of thickness in order to provide a high battery capacity in a volume akin to the original Nintendo Switch would be quite nice! Especially since the volume of the original Nintendo Switch is actually smaller than the original Game Boy, even with Joy-Con attached. By moving some of that size to thickness, they can maybe get it pocketable with adequate battery life. Neat!

I think the original Game Boy, volume wise, is about what the new system will be. Some back of the envelope math based on the measurements we've seen, about 430cm³, give or take maybe 20. Isn't it quacking crazy that this ULTRA HUGE 8" SCREEN MONSTER THAT ESHEWS PORTABILITY is... Approximately the volume of a DMG-001, unless I've got my math wrong, ignoring the sticky outy bits like buttons and triggers. Not so bad for fitting in a bag after all.

 

[peace1dy]

So July customs was a nothingburger?

Should be expected for a while.

 

[necrolipe]

So July customs was a nothingburger?

I don't think so
But it's not a matter for me to discuss, let the pros do

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I think the original Game Boy, volume wise, is about what the new system will be. Some back of the envelope math based on the measurements we've seen, about 430cm³, give or take maybe 20. Isn't it quacking crazy that this ULTRA HUGE 8" SCREEN MONSTER THAT ESHEWS PORTABILITY is... Approximately the volume of a DMG-001, unless I've got my math wrong, ignoring the sticky outy bits like buttons and triggers. Not so bad for fitting in a bag after all.

Volume comparisons are well and good, but face area is still relevant. Something 400cm x 100cm x 0.01cm would be even less volume but significantly harder to fit in a bag.

 

[Concernt]

Volume comparisons are well and good, but face area is still relevant. Something 400cm x 100cm x 0.01cm would be even less volume but significantly harder to fit in a bag.

Give it one of these bad boys:


No but seriously, of course, you're right, though it really shouldn't take up that much physical room in a bag, it has to fit its longest dimension, since it should remain a sinilar or identical thickness. Definitely doesn't fit in my everyday handbag, but, the OLED Model was already stretching belief in that one.

 

[Raccoon]

me in 2026 if the new animal crossing is actually good

 

[LiC]

 

[Dark Cloud]

Maybe some new info?

Later (today) I plan to comment on some more potential technical aspects of Nintendo's next hardware.

 

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[ShaunSwitch]

 

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[LiC]

 

[chicop_]

All this talk about the charger, any chance the USB-C port will be 4.0?

 

[Hocot8]

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if they are putting it in hidden posts then you should to

 

[Hartmann]

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[ShaunSwitch]

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[LiC]

 

[Hermii]

there's no need to be snide. I suspect that market research on Switch usage and competing products led Nintendo to give up on portability and that the chip design was informed by those goals. maybe a die shrink could save it but I was operating under the impression that we were seeing diminishing returns from them

If the chip is 4nm, it should be smaller than the tx1.

If it's 8nm, it is indeed huge but then it can also be ahrunk significantly.

 

[ffr48]

The vpn I'm using is starting to suffer from instability, if it goes away in the meantime I'll be unable to log into Google and this forum for maybe two months, and if there's any new interesting customs data in the meantime I'll be miserable because I won't be able to see it first.

Famiboards have not been block by GFW so you can directly access the site without using VPN in China which I can confirm.

 

[Semi Lazy Gamer]

Maybe some new info?

I was going to make a "it's already tomorrow" smart-ass comment, but then I realized necrolipe was tomorrow (today) when I was thinking this.

Farking time zones.

 

[ffr48]

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[Hermii]

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[gonanzir]

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[peace1dy]

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So what it say?

 

[peace1dy]

I was going to make a "it's already tomorrow" smart-ass comment, but then I realized necrolipe was tomorrow (today) when I was thinking this.

Farking time zones.

Who is this guy?

 

[LiC]

 

[Mr Swine]

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[Hermii]

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[Necroxid]

What happened in the last 20ish pages?

 

[Hermii]

What happened in the last 20ish pages?

 

[Aufhebung RPG]

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This comment may be true, but this video is a gimmicky video made by a bilibili up, don't take it seriously.

 

[Mr Swine]

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[Lelouch0612]

Can someone kindly offer me a summary of what happened in the last 3 weeks? Any news from customs or elsewhere?

 

[SwitchEmUp]

Can someone kindly offer me a summary of what happened in the last 3 weeks? Any news from customs or elsewhere?

 

[ILikeFeet]

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To improve dlss you need to pump more power into the gpu anyway. Not that you're even power limited with dlss in the first place

 

[darthdiablo]

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Those in-depth overview & analysis of findings of shipment data of yours are among my favorite things to read about on Famiboards, it's like mini version of Christmas morning whenever I wake up to see one of those posts, I always bookmark those. Thanks for all that you do!

 

[Mamaun]

All this talk about the charger, any chance the USB-C port will be 4.0?

Why would we need a 4.0 port?

 

[Dakhil]

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[Hermii]

Why would we need a 4.0 port?

A lot of data has to go through it. 4K video, audio, network (assuming it has Ethernet), HDR, connected devices.

 

[Mamaun]

A lot of data has to go through it. 4K video, audio, network (assuming it has Ethernet), HDR, connected devices.

Can't displayport 1.4a output 4k@120?
Connected devices mainly will go to the switch itself

 

[Hermii]

Can't displayport 1.4a output 4k@120?
Connected devices mainly will go to the switch itself

I don't really remember the specs. I half remember reading Ethernet speeds on the oled is limited by transfer speed.

 

[Dakhil]

Can't displayport 1.4a output 4k@120?

4K 120 Hz is possible with DisplayPort 1.4a, but with the colour bit depth support being limited to 8-bit with the chroma being 4:4:4 due to DisplayPort 1.4a's max bandwidth being 32.4 Gbps.

Supporting a colour bit of 10-bit or higher with a chroma of 4:4:4 requires Display Stream Compression (DSC).

 

[Guaraná]

sorry, wrong thread

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

4K 120 Hz is possible with DisplayPort 1.4a, but with the colour bit depth support being limited to 8-bit with the chroma being 4:4:4 due to DisplayPort 1.4a's max bandwidth being 32.4 Gbps.

Supporting a colour bit of 10-bit or higher with a chroma of 4:4:4 requires Display Stream Compression (DSC).

as an aside, couple months ago I was looking into this and speaking to another user such as @Alovon11 in another place, and I came to the conclusion that I don’t think this really matters as much because the system isn’t going to be doing 4K 120Hz. It’s going to be doing at 4K at 60 Hz. They probably don’t really need the entire bandwidth to actually get good values in this, and plus I think they have more than enough with 4K 60 without having to resort to Delta streaming compression.


I concluded that 24-25Gbps is enough for what they need, rather than 40.

More than enough really.

 

[Concernt]

Reheated take: we don't need 4:4:4 Chroma.

Actual expectation:

The maximum and intended output for the successor will be 4K60 HDR10 without subsampling, and undocked modes will be 1080p60 HDR. It won't be maxing out its DP interface.

 

[Dakhil]

Reheated take: we don't need 4:4:4 Chroma.

Actual expectation:

The maximum and intended output for the successor will be 4K60 HDR10 without subsampling, and undocked modes will be 1080p60 HDR. It won't be maxing out its DP interface.

4K 60 Hz with 4:4:4 chroma and a colour bit depth of 12-bit only requires 24.06 Gbps of bandwidth (vs 20.05 Gbps for 4k 60 Hz 4:4:4 HDR10).

So 4K 60 Hz with HDR support in general is possible without requiring all of DisplayPort 1.4a's max bandwidth.