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SoldierDelta said:
That's the intended release date that my source said to me. Knowing Nintendo, I could believe they'd do that date.

Funny story with it though; my source said the date as "9/24" so I just assumed "Oh, they must mean September 2024, that makes a lot of sense".
My stupid-British brain was wrong, my source clarified for me that it was the 24th of September 2024. That's why I made a second comment later on.
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"NG" is not the codename for Switch 2. You need to double check your source.

(if this has already been pointed out, my apologies)

Because of that, it makes the other details you shared questionable, including the price points and September 2024 bit.
 
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Hosermess said:
Also there are 2 different product descriptions, and though the SAC one is likely still a mobile speaker (by a cursory google), those being shipped in relatively super low quantities is interesting.
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Maybe the lower quantities for the Switch 2 Pro controllers?
 
darthdiablo said:
"NG" is not the codename for Switch 2. You need to double check your source.

(if this has already been pointed out, my apologies)

Because of that, it makes the other details you shared questionable, including the price points and September 2024 bit.
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It's been shared a lot, even if noone directly sent me a reply about it.

If it's sceptical to y'all, I'm honestly fine with that. I was just sharing information that I was given. That being said, there's some things that do line-up to me.

I did ask earlier btw, who confirmed that ""NG"" wasn't the codename and what else has he shared?
 
Goblin_knight said:
So does anyone else have access to this data or is it only P4bl0, cause no offence it feels kinda off...
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I don't doubt that the screenshots are real and undoctored, I'm just having trouble matching the same conclusions he is from the info.

Like, the EA devkit shipments are SDEV, which are Switch devkits. Nothing about T239 there. And again the speakers are interesting but without comparisons to previous years at the same time may be meaningless.
 
SoldierDelta said:
It's been shared a lot, even if noone directly sent me a reply about it.

If it's sceptical to y'all, I'm honestly fine with that. I was just sharing information that I was given. That being said, there's some things that do line-up to me.

I did ask earlier btw, who confirmed that ""NG"" wasn't the codename and what else has he shared?
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Which details "lines up" for you?

If it's the September 2024 launch, do you have reasons beyond "Knowing Nintendo.." quip you shared earlier?
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
I’m quoting myself again but can we please double, triple even quadruple check before everyone jumps on the H1 train that has no engineer in sight just because the Conductor(s) said all aboard?

Cross reference for other products, looking at history, compare the different data, etc. it’s like getting ahead of itself before we even know if someone is actually going to drive this train to the next station
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I concur
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
Sorry, where are the millions of speakers? The document I just saw was for 55K, which doesn't seem a lot......
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Okay, while there's not been a lot of pages since yesterday evening, i still need some short summary from someone who's in the know about all this tech stuff what the recent findings mean. ^^ I get it definitely means that any talk or thought about ReDraketed's SoC being shelved should be left...
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That was just one of the listings
 
SoldierDelta said:
It's been shared a lot, even if noone directly sent me a reply about it.

If it's sceptical to y'all, I'm honestly fine with that. I was just sharing information that I was given. That being said, there's some things that do line-up to me.

I did ask earlier btw, who confirmed that ""NG"" wasn't the codename and what else has he shared?
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Switch NG was just shorthand used by Activision employees in emails. People ran with it thinking it was an actual codename.
 
Honestly, it's nice to know that we won't have to worry about looping or veering too close off topic, at least for a little while.
 
darthdiablo said:
Which detials "lines up" for you?

If it's the September 2024 launch, do you have reasons beyond "Knowing Nintendo.." quip you shared earlier?
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I do want to chase up on the NG point, but here's essentially my take on the information:

-Nintendo jumping to two SKUs. The confusing BC rumours being affected by this makes sense for me because it seems like noone is sure based on what information exists out there, additionally it'd explain why Nintendo is seemingly drastically increasing the internal storage for both devices by so much due to the digital version. Furthermore Nintendo doesn't want only a "high-end" system that's unaffordable to more casual consumers, having a slightly cheaper "Entry level" system would still keep some of that crowd.

-The release date. The Gamescom "Demo" that happened in August to gauge Third-Party interest says a lot to me about what Nintendo wants out of third-parties, so giving them around a year to test the system's hardware and get a launch title ready makes sense to me. Furthermore, while I've got a few doubts about the release date itself (that's something to always be concerned about), the Switch 1's release date was 03/03/17. The Switch 2's is (allegedly) 24/09/24. With the timespan given, that seems like a memorable-enough date for a launch date of a Nintendo system. It'd also still allow a 5 month window from reveal to release in, say, April or May.

-The placeholder date. I fully get people's concerns behind this and it was the only real red flag that I had looking at the information provided. For me, the November date could be like a "If things don't go to plan in the next 5 months, move it back 2 months so we can keep holiday sales" plan. That being said, I'm still not convinced by this. This is the only part of the rumour that gave me a raised eyebrow.


As I've said, this is a rumour that I heard and posted. If you don't believe it or find holes in it, I'm inclined to believe y'all. For now though, because I don't see a 100% deconfirmation for now, I'm keeping this leak in my mind.
 
pelusilla6 said:
You can have access to them if you want...
Even without paying for a sub, the speakers stuff can be searched manually and free for example
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Yeah. and trust us, when stuff here get shared, a bunch of us in the background will be cross-checking things. As far as I can tell, we're using 2 different websites. Both of them are showing same data, but in different ways. I've been using both because one has dates going further back, while the other one doesn't (doesn't have 2016 data for example, when I wanted to look up Switch 1 data before reveal), but has dates, while the other one doesn't.
 
darthdiablo said:
Yeah. and trust us, when stuff here get shared, a bunch of us in the background will be cross-checking things. As far as I can tell, we're using 2 different websites. Both of them are showing same data, but in different ways. I've been using both because one has dates going further back, while the other one doesn't (doesn't have 2016 data for example, when I wanted to look up Switch 1 data before reveal), but has dates, while the other one doesn't.
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Have you been able to find any shipment records from Goertek to Nintendo in July/August 2022?
 
SoldierDelta said:
I do want to chase up on the NG point, but here's essentially my take on the information:

-Nintendo jumping to two SKUs. The confusing BC rumours being affected by this makes sense for me because it seems like noone is sure based on what information exists out there, additionally it'd explain why Nintendo is seemingly drastically increasing the internal storage for both devices by so much due to the digital version. Furthermore Nintendo doesn't want only a "high-end" system that's unaffordable to more casual consumers, having a slightly cheaper "Entry level" system would still keep some of that crowd.

-The release date. The Gamescom "Demo" that happened in August to gauge Third-Party interest says a lot to me about what Nintendo wants out of third-parties, so giving them around a year to test the system's hardware and get a launch title ready makes sense to me. Furthermore, while I've got a few doubts about the release date itself (that's something to always be concerned about), the Switch 1's release date was 03/03/17. The Switch 2's is (allegedly) 24/09/24. With the timespan given, that seems like a memorable-enough date for a launch date of a Nintendo system. It'd also still allow a 5 month window from reveal to release in, say, April or May.

-The placeholder date. I fully get people's concerns behind this and it was the only real red flag that I had looking at the information provided. For me, the November date could be like a "If things don't go to plan in the next 5 months, move it back 2 months so we can keep holiday sales" plan. That being said, I'm still not convinced by this. This is the only part of the rumour that gave me a raised eyebrow.


As I've said, this is a rumour that I heard and posted. If you don't believe it or find holes in it, I'm inclined to believe y'all. For now though, because I don't see a 100% deconfirmation for now, I'm keeping this leak in my mind.
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I'm a newer member around here (since shortly after Gamescomm leak) but to my understanding, only a few here supposedly know the real codename, and is not sharing it publicly for unknown reason. I never bother to ask why but I'm sure they have their reasons. However one of them did say it's how they know which leaks can be dismissed.

The Activision/Microsoft court documents is not going to have next-gen Switch codename in those. Activision/Microsoft was simply using "NG" to generically refer to "next gen Switch", nothing more.
 
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Vash_the_Stampede said:
Do you know a little bit about how the value is estimated? These figures seem too low to be the wholesale value. And I think that they are too low to be the bill of material. Do they even mean anything?
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It's just the declared value by Nintendo not the wholesale price.
 
darthdiablo said:
I'm a newer member around here (since shortly after Gamescomm leak) but to my understanding, only a few here supposedly know the real codename, and is not sharing it publicly for unknown reason. I never bother to ask but I'm sure they have their reasons. However one of them did say it's how they know which leaks can be dismissed.

The Activision/Microsoft court documents is not going to have next-gen Switch codename in those. Activision/Microsoft was simply using "NG" to generically refer to "next gen Switch", nothing more.
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Gotcha. There's maybe a chance that this is how Nintendo refers to the system to third parties or something like that, but I respect that's the big reason why people are sceptical.

That being said, insiders can probably look at this information and say "That's bullshit" at any time, so we'll have to see.
 
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Bonejack said:
If NG, used in the Activision mails, would be the actual codename, Nintendo would've requested redaction of it prior to the mail release.
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If you don't mind me asking, why was the "NX" codename shared so freely in comparison? Nintendo basically said "Hey we've got this system by this codename" from minute one, so why would it be different here?
Also the Activision Emails were a part of a series of unredacted emails, so there's a better than awful chance that the "NG" codename being shown was a mistake.

Edit: Unless this is referring to another leak of Activision emails that I didn't know about. Idk, that microsoft leak corroded my brain last month.
 
Skittzo said:
Have you been able to find any shipment records from Goertek to Nintendo in July/August 2022?
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I can try. Without paid access, it's kind of hard to filter things. One website limits results to 10. But let me try some keywords from data shared earlier.
 
SoldierDelta said:
If you don't mind me asking, why was the "NX" codename shared so freely in comparison? Nintendo basically said "Hey we've got this system by this codename" from minute one, so why would it be different here?
Also the Activision Emails were a part of a series of unredacted emails, so there's a better than awful chance that the "NG" codename being shown was a mistake.
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In one case, Nintendo announced it officially on their own.

In this case, Nintendo didn't say jack shit. ^^
 
SoldierDelta said:
If you don't mind me asking, why was the "NX" codename shared so freely in comparison? Nintendo basically said "Hey we've got this system by this codename" from minute one, so why would it be different here?
Also the Activision Emails were a part of a series of unredacted emails, so there's a better than awful chance that the "NG" codename being shown was a mistake.

Edit: Unless this is referring to another leak of Activision emails that I didn't know about. Idk, that microsoft leak corroded my brain last month.
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The original email containing Switch NG was not part of the batch that was uploaded unredacted by mistake. It was from back around June IIRC.
 
P4bl0 said:
Alright Fami I now have access to the B2B version of those import/data websites, let's have fun investigating:


New evidence from global import data now adds more fuel to the fire, potentially giving us significant clues about its development stages, reveal, and even release.

Timeline

  • July 2022: First known instance of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' being shipped from Nvidia to Nintendo in Japan.
    • Import Data: Four units arrive for 'Development and Testing purposes.'
    • Insight: T239 is confirmed to be the new SoC (System on Chip) for Nintendo Switch 2.
  • Late July 2022: Another batch of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' is shipped.
    • Import Data: Additional units are shipped.
    • Insight: This suggests that the internal testing phase is well underway.

  • May 2023: A sizeable batch of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' arrives.
    • Import Data: Four units are shipped.
    • Insight: As the number of units seems to be increasing, this could indicate that the development phase is nearing completion.
  • Late May 2023: Another batch arrives soon after.
    • Import Data: A few more units are shipped.
    • Insight: Rapid, consecutive shipments might be a sign of urgent testing or near-final adjustments.

  • July 2023: FOC ENG SW DEVELOPMENT PROTOTYPE BOARD IWOH FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING PURPOSES shipped to Foxconn factory in China (Taiwan).
    • Import Data: Five units are shipped.
    • Insight: This could be the finalized version of the console headed for mass production as the declared value is matching the previous devkits. Note: T239 is not showing, and they tried to camouflage it as a Prototype Board but the HS Code (95045000) indicate video game consoles.
Previous Code Names and Teams

  • HOVI: The code name for the team behind the original Nintendo Switch.
  • IWOH: The code name for the team behind the Switch NG ?
Conclusion
The import data suggests a well-structured and phased development cycle for the Nintendo Switch 2 identical to the Switch 1 in 2016, aligning well with the rumors of a potential reveal in November 2023 and a release in March/April 2024.
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P4bl0 said:
Also another fun fact, EA spotted shipping devkits (Nintendo and Playstation) to their UK studio in April and July 2023, they are cooking.

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P4bl0 said:
I'm not done yet, this is the nail in the coffin! Imma go off then say H1 to the ninjas (my inbox is open):

Goertek, a heavy hitter in high-end hardware like AR, VR (behind PSVR2, supplying parts to Apple Vision Pro, etc) just shipped millions of "speakers for mobile phones" to Nintendo this past summer. The intriguing part? These are being sent to China and cost only $0.25 each. This low cost is a clear sign of mass production.


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Even more fascinating is that given Goertek's expertise, these speakers could possibly have voice recognition features, similar to Siri.

Oh, and their speakers are waterproof! Imagine a NG that you can safely bring into the bath. Gaming while relaxing in a tub could soon be a reality

This points to a mass-production, with some potentially cool new audio features, and possibly even waterproof capabilities.
Looks like an exciting year ahead for Nintendo!





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P4bl0 said:
Yeah fair enough lol I didn't want to put 10 screenshots

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The fact that it mentions "NG" may not necessarily mean it's complete BS, just that it's second hand info cobbled together from multiple sources. But still NG isn't the codename, anything that says it is should be taken into question.

Switch/NX was a completely different situation, for obvious reasons to do with the letter U, but the main outcome of that was that it was announced up to a year before it was even revealed in order to compensate. Nintendo have not even publicly acknowledged Switch 2's existence at all.
 
Sir Sonic said:
It makes sense for Nintendo to go all Digital in my opinion.
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Not really. They enjoy some of the largest physical attachment rates, which allows them a good retail presence in markets like Japan. There isn't much incentive for them to forgo this approach imo.
Multiverse said:
This is not T239. It’s the current Switch.
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How do you identify? The HS code?
 
Sir Sonic said:
It makes sense for Nintendo to go all Digital in my opinion.
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I think Nintendo making a digital option makes a lot of sense personally, especially since it's an industry standard now. PS5 Digital, XSS, and all the handheld computers like Steam Deck and ROG Ally are doing it, so having an option for it makes sense. I don't agree that it should be "only" digital though because there's still too big of a market for that... in addition to Nintendo's storefront being very not good.

It makes sense with Valve's Steam Store, a website that doesn't lag and actually functions, but not with Nintendo's Eshop. At least imo.
 
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Not really. They enjoy some of the largest physical attachment rates, which allows them a good retail presence in markets like Japan. There isn't much incentive for them to forgo this approach imo.

How do you identify? The HS code?
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HS code wouldn't be used in that way. HS code indicates it's "video games" category, which both Switch 1 and Switch 2 stuff would fit.
 
darthdiablo said:
I am able to find records showing up on both websites (free access) using "GS201432P" as keywords.

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Looks like the same exact model then, yeah. Definitely still curious about the amounts, as I understand you won't have all of that same data, but I'm inclined to declare that this finding then (the one earlier shared by P4blo) is meaningless.
 
TechnicalTip6578 said:
wasn't there an early leak or rumor back in Q1-Q2 this year that also mentioned NG?
and it was before the whole codename from Actiblizz got widely known as it is rn
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I hate the fact that the rumour i posted widely hinges on this information, but I want to kind of discuss it a bit.

Is the codename "Next-Generation" stupid for a new sy-?
Yes. Yes it is

However, does it make sense given the last console's codename was "NX"?
Also kind of yes? Depends on how much stock you're willing to put into Nintendo pulling a "Similar but Different" move with the system itself.

Considering ABK seems to be using it, I stand by my theory that it's likely a codename that's being used with third-parties as a simple way to refer to it, but might not actually be the true codename of the system. Idk, I'm grabbing at straws here.
 
I think some hard conclusions are being drawn that are in need of softening. There's interesting stuff to discuss being posted, but a lot of it is Switch-1 related or indeterminate. I don't think any concretely Switch 2-related listings have posted outside the ones that say T239, so it's VERY premature to start using these as proof of a production timeline.

And I have to correct a few specific things.

P4bl0 said:
  • July 2022: First known instance of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' being shipped from Nvidia to Nintendo in Japan.
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The SW development platforms (maybe-devkits) were shipped from Nvidia in Japan to Nvidia in India. None of these T239 shipments are by Nintendo or to Nintendo. Like I keep saying, it looks like the reason these shipments are visible at all is specifically to do with the Nvidia branch in India.

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  • July 2023: FOC ENG SW DEVELOPMENT PROTOTYPE BOARD IWOH FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING PURPOSES shipped to Foxconn factory in China (Taiwan).
    • Import Data: Five units are shipped.
    • Insight: This could be the finalized version of the console headed for mass production as the declared value is matching the previous devkits. Note: T239 is not showing, and they tried to camouflage it as a Prototype Board but the HS Code (95045000) indicate video game consoles.
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These shipments were from Nvidia in China to Nvidia in India. Assuming Foxconn because you see China isn't sound, but more importantly, you can check the importer and exporter on these listings to see that it's all Nvidia.

We also have no indication that this is related to Nintendo. Let's put aside the idea of "camouflaging" something because that's definitely not what was happening. The product description could be for just about any kind of test board. "IWOH" is the only unique part of this string, and I'll come back to it later, but there's no reason to think this is Nintendo-related.

P4bl0 said:
Also another fun fact, EA spotted shipping devkits (Nintendo and Playstation) to their UK studio in April and July 2023, they are cooking.

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This is a Switch 1 devkit.

P4bl0 said:
I'm not done yet, this is the nail in the coffin! Imma go off then say H1 to the ninjas (my inbox is open):

Goertek, a heavy hitter in high-end hardware like AR, VR (behind PSVR2, supplying parts to Apple Vision Pro, etc) just shipped millions of "speakers for mobile phones" to Nintendo this past summer. The intriguing part? These are being sent to China and cost only $0.25 each. This low cost is a clear sign of mass production.


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Even more fascinating is that given Goertek's expertise, these speakers could possibly have voice recognition features, similar to Siri.

Oh, and their speakers are waterproof! Imagine a NG that you can safely bring into the bath. Gaming while relaxing in a tub could soon be a reality

This points to a mass-production, with some potentially cool new audio features, and possibly even waterproof capabilities.
Looks like an exciting year ahead for Nintendo!





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Before anything about this can be connected to Switch 2, it needs to be established that these aren't parts for the current Switch. Also, the speculation is cool, but just listing features that some of this company's products have doesn't connect those features to the Nintendo hardware.

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Also for the MoneyDJ fans (and doubters)

JoyCon lads PixArt shipped 5 finalized circuit boards to Foxconn end of august, I wonder what could this be for.

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Again, where are you getting Foxconn? This says it's from Jabil Circuit India to PixArt.

P4bl0 said:
Ubisoft Japan shipping Playstation and Nintendo devkits to their Indian studio end of august

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Ever heard of SDEV-DSR and ADEV-DSR as a NX Devkit model guys ?
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This is mashing up different parts of the product descriptions. These are also all Switch 1 models.
  • NXMODEL:ADEVSR.NO.AS PER DOCUMENT
    • NX model: ADEV (OLED devkit) SR. NO. (serial number) as per document
  • NXMODEL:SDEV-DSR.NO.AS PER DOCUMENT
    • NX model: SDEV-D (Mariko SDEV devkit) SR. NO. (serial number) as per document
 
Skittzo said:
Looks like the same exact model then, yeah. Definitely still curious about the amounts, as I understand you won't have all of that same data, but I'm inclined to declare that this finding then (the one earlier shared by P4blo) is meaningless.
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Ah ok - what did you see? (what led you to say it's meaningless)?
 
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