Ah, I see. Thanks for mentioning that to me.
Probably the former in my opinion.
More than likely no. Unless they decide to update some specs for clocks and allow some stuff to happen. More than likely it’s just a future proof dock. There was a rumor/theory that because of part shortages Nintendo decided to release the OLED instead of the full “pro” version. This could be true as when the next iteration is released it might just be the OLED and same dock just an updated chip and RAM. We shall see.
Possible. I personally could care less. I would rather have something that helps poor performance games. This obsession with 4K means nothing to me. To each their own though.
I'm personally not sure, since Nintendo would need to update the OLED model's "Video Output" specs from "Up to 1080p via HDMI in TV mode" to "Up to 2160p via HDMI in TV mode", if that's Nintendo's plans for the OLED model.
For me who uses a 4K TV as a secondary gaming monitor in my desk setup (My PC and consoles are part of my desk)
Maybe something propietary?
Most likely not, but there does appear to be a hidden setting in firmware to devote additional bandwidth to DisplayPort in firmware which could allow 4k output. It wouldn't do any additional processing on the image, though, just upscale to 4k inside the GPU instead of 1080p.
The USB spec on the OLED tablet model itself may not allow for 4k/60fps output.
Looking at games like the crysis remaster, doom eternal and on Nintendo side LM3 those games all look gorgeous. There are a bunch of games though even Nintendo ones that struggle with framerate. It would be cool if that was prioritized in some way.But don't you think Nintendo's first party games look good because I do. Maybe third party devs need to step it up notch or is Nintendo keeping special Switch coding techniques to themselves?
I still don't buy this for one reason:
IIRC the capability for 4k video on the TX1s and TX1+s used in the Switch was physically disabled on the chips. It can't be enabled via firmware.
The reason to do that is to avoid double scaling the image. That said, the reason why it hasn't been done is because the dock was never capable of outputting it and it would require giving up the majority of the USB bandwidth, at least on existing Switches (not sure about OLED).
Can't find a source at the moment (I'm cooking dinner) but it can't output 4k video regardless, the USB-C port on existing Switches is not capable of doing that. At least while charging the unit, I think.4K video or 4k game upscaling? Also could you provide a source? If trying to figure stuff out here.
Not sure about charging, but it would definitely have to give up USB 3 speeds.
It does if USB 3 is given up. I believe some simultaneous USB functionality can be obtained via the USB 2.0 pins in the connector, but I'm not positive.
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. I know for a fact homebrewed Switches can run at 4K in Android/Linux, though I'm not sure if it was ever made to work at 60 Hz. I'll see if I can find anything on that.
Oh wow, I really thought people had speculated that it was a fundamental hardware modification that disabled 4k. Guess I was wrong.
The only thing I know of that's physically disabled are the A53 cores, but that applies to all TX1 chips.
It was in the middle of a pandemic and chip shortage. I’m fully of the mindset that the OLED was supposed to be a “pro” “4K” whatever phrase you want to use. Nintendo saw the ps5 and xb series struggle because of shortages. I believe when the next switch is announced it’s going to be exactly what the OLED is just with upgraded internals.
I agree that the Dane Switch is likely just going to look like the OLED model (maybe with slightly different joycons?) but I can't agree with the idea that the OLED was supposed to be the "pro" and was postponed because of the pandemic.
Fair enough.
For the record, it’s “couldn’t care less” ;P
Correct. Thank you.
Hasn't that basically become the same thing? Like how one of the actual definitions of "literal" is now figurative?
I'm not very sure about that, since the STDP2550 chip, the Mobility DisplayPort 1.2a to HDMI 1.4b converter chip, on the Nintendo Switch's dock, can only support up to 4K 30 Hz, which I imagine is not ideal for internal upscaling.
The STDP2550 chip, the Mobility DisplayPort 1.2a to HDMI 1.4b converter chip, on the Nintendo Switch's dock, can only support up to 4K 30 Hz.
I was referring only to the launch Switch itself, apart from the dock.
All the same, it's a misleading product about the future of the Nintendo Switch as a platform. Selling a shiny new Switch and denying the existence of anything else a year before its replacement is a classic Nintendo scheme taken to new heights (lows?).
I think most are of the mind that the new device is a year away at minimum. It could be closer to two.
Nah
That's true. I do genuinely think there's a big difference between the OLED being obsolete after a year vs two.
It might be outpowered but it won't become obsolete. Nintendo will need a SKU in that 300$ range since Dane won't be.
Eh, based on Nate's comments IIRC, he said that third-party Exclusives are targeting Fall 2022.I don’t think Aula will be obsolete tbh, at least not made obsolete in the traditional sense. It’s possible that what’s going to happen is this:
October 8th 2021, OLED model of the Nintendo Switch releases at 349.99. QoL improvements but not a notable spec bump over the current flagship model. (We know this)
Summer 2022, Dane is announced to the public, for a Fall release.
Fall 2022, Dane is released, Aula gets a price cut to 299.99. Dane is set at 399.99 price point.
All throughout 2023, games are made for both, obvious performance difference between the two is obvious. But, at least both get the games.
Fall 2023, first third party exclusive appears, literally unplayable on the Tegra X1/X1+ units. Starts the end of the cross-gen period for the third party titles.
2024, many more third parties are moving to Dane, first party games are still targeting TX1/X1+.
2025, Nintendo refreshes the Lite with a Super Lite model, somehow, don’t ask. Commences the start of the end of all first party titles releasing on the whole stack. Now select titles release on both. But next 3D Zelda? Forget it. If you didn’t upgrade then you gotta upgrade now!
2026, the end of cross gen point blank period, a new model based off it Atlan is released.
Switch Next Next based on 3nm, flies, and walks your dog.
2048 cores. 12 CPU cores.
book it
That it's derived from Orin doesn't mean that can't release earlier than Orin. Orin is still in development as an automotive part. Automotive parts take *FOREVER* to be fully tested. They stick with old processes because they don't have to be retested again and again, and because Orin can not meet its performance requirements at 80nm (or whatever the auto industry uses), it's going to take it's sweet time.
The hard limit has always been the dock. The main question is if the Switch can do it while maintaining a usable USB connection. If it can, then a 4k mode on the new dock is probably viable without too much user visible downside, since the Switch really doesn't tend to stress the USB half of its bandwidth while docked.
Eh, I expect third party exclusives basically from day one. If that wasn't expected, there'd be no reason to have devkits out this early.I don’t think Aula will be obsolete tbh, at least not made obsolete in the traditional sense. It’s possible that what’s going to happen is this:
October 8th 2021, OLED model of the Nintendo Switch releases at 349.99. QoL improvements but not a notable spec bump over the current flagship model. (We know this)
Summer 2022, Dane is announced to the public, for a Fall release.
Fall 2022, Dane is released, Aula gets a price cut to 299.99. Dane is set at 399.99 price point.
All throughout 2023, games are made for both, obvious performance difference between the two is obvious. But, at least both get the games.
Fall 2023, first third party exclusive appears, literally unplayable on the Tegra X1/X1+ units. Starts the end of the cross-gen period for the third party titles.
2024, many more third parties are moving to Dane, first party games are still targeting TX1/X1+.
2025, Nintendo refreshes the Lite with a Super Lite model, somehow, don’t ask. Commences the start of the end of all first party titles releasing on the whole stack. Now select titles release on both. But next 3D Zelda? Forget it. If you didn’t upgrade then you gotta upgrade now!
2026, the end of cross gen point blank period, a new model based off it Atlan is released.
Switch Next Next based on 3nm, flies, and walks your dog.
2048 cores. 12 CPU cores.
book it
Why?Oh MY GOD I cant stand that Youtube channel.
Unless I'm mistaken Orin S (which Dane is very likely to be a code name for) was also denoted as debuting in 2022.
I don't recall Nate ever giving a timeline to exclusives, only enhanced software.
