In sales figures?
is roughly equivalent to the number of gaming PCs capable of running current gen games (Series S' power level and above.), where the pool is closer to 100M. There are only about as many people who actively use Steam to play games as there are Switch games in their entirety, and many, though not most, Steam users don't have "gaming capable" hardware and are using it for social features or lighter titles.
Bigger, better, brighter screen, more power, higher refresh rate, charging port on the top, better Bluetooth audio. Not MUCH, but basically just refinements to what we have; really the Switch - OLED Model is pretty close to a "perfect" tabletop console. While the original Switch could do it, the OLED Model really, really delivers on a home console experience (Wireless controllers, sit back, don't have to hold the console, full sized controls, large screen.) to the point I can get genuinely absorbed into a game even when on a train. For lack of a better word, while it could be improved in some ways, tabletop mode is already incredibly immersive.Tabletop mode is probably one of the more underrated switch features.
How can that be improved if at all?
Bit of wishful thinking unfortunately, Samsung is relatively unintegrated, with its fabs(chip and memory manufacturing), glass plants(screen manufacturing), mobile division(product integration and software support.), these are all separate organisations that compete with one another. Why do you think Samsung Mobile is turning off the tap of Samsung Fab and only using TSMC until 2024? Or why would Samsung Fab and Samsung Display supply most of the parts of the iPhone? Why would Mobile choose the same chip vendor as Apple instead of their own? They're competing businesses, not a monolithic organisation (Which in some ways is a good thing, because if they were they would be one of the world's largest and most dangerous monopolies.)
TSMC has the capability to manufacture on a 5nm process. Nintendo's hardware partner is Nvidia, whose Tegra X1(+) chips, used in the Nintendo Switch, are made by TSMC. The newest Tegra destined for the Nintendo Switch is codenamed Drake, some speculate it may be manufactured by TSMC, others suggest 8nm Samsung. Either way the efficiency gains over 16nm FinFET(2019 Switch, Lite, OLED) will be gigantic, more than double, and more than quadrouple 20nm MOSFET(2017 Switch).
Cost
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It boils down to cost, yeah but timing is also a factor. Especially if they started designing it on a different node, they'd need to scrap some of the work they've done and partially start over on that new node which takes a lot more time.
those are just reserved to anyone that’s willing to pay for the price. Doesn’t really have anything to do with power or performance.
Maybe, but it just means there’s more available.
If the price is right, then the Osborne effect is diminished. Or rather I should say, if the price is wrong. Exhibit A: PlayStation2 to PlayStation3.
But that's what EVERY company does with CES already, especially with Android phones, and moreover, Nintendo used to attend AND the Switch presentation was in January. Don't forget New 3DS' announcement.
This is correct and in some scenarios the smaller node could be cheaper per SOC.
They already are. Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD, etc. are all using 5 nm or its variants.
” territory.So there are rumors that Nvidia's paid billions to secure capacity of the N5 family for their next generation of products. Potentially great enough that you can theoretically fit Drake production in there (thus, it's an option on the table, but we don't know for sure).
I mean, making more yet I still worry over it's actual availability when fighting with scalpers
I suppose it would be pretty unlikely to have an acceptable price and the product isn't worth it, but should still consider that 0.1% chance of probability.I dunno, for some reason I can accept that mobile phones have an extremely high turnover rate despite the high cost and minimal jump in tech, but the Switch being six years old, about to experience a great leap in performance at a price half that of most modern flagship phone lines I just can't reconcile simply because of the swaths of angry parents who would be livid at finding out the toy they had just bought for their kid is about to be rendered obsolete (not that it's true, but the way the kids will whine about it to mummy and daddy will make it seem like Nintendo broke into their house and killed their puppy)But that's what EVERY company does with CES already, especially with Android phones, and moreover, Nintendo used to attend AND the Switch presentation was in January. Don't forget New 3DS' announcement.
Modestly educated consumers DON'T shop for tech during the holidays.
Timelinewise, how recent was the "Nvidia wanting to cut back 5nm" rumor versus when Drake could be finalized/taped out? Do you think a delay to next year was to both alleviate any potential shortage (since Nvidia would once again be like "we have all these chips lying around") and have Drake on a higher end node?
That wasn't a rumor, that came from Nvidia financial reports I think. Totally of $9B
No effect. If Drake wad on 5nm, its production allotment was already considered before the decision to cut back on wafers. A delay won't help it get on a different node
I see. So you're saying node choice has to be made first before Drake could come into fruition.
So all those Dannish jokes were a lie, then.
I don't buy for one bit that the Switch was yet another "lightning in a bottle" argument. There was precedent for the Switch to happen and I do believe the Wii U's failure helped shape it.
I mean yeah, OLED Model launched at over 400$ in Europe. Since when was anything less than 399.99$ ever reasonable to expect when OLED Model is 349.99$?I mean I don’t see how this thing can be priced below $400, and I know some people don’t want to accept that but $400 seems like the absolute floor for this device regardless if they went on 8nm or 5nm.
Like it was not gonna be cheap, at all.
Though cheap may be relative to whom it may concern, but to most it is not the “oh this is a comfy purchase
Thinking about it as well, it sort of makes sense why people will believe that the Nintendo switch lite will remain for several more years. It kind of helps to remain in the cheap range even if it’s not the most performant, it actually lets you have access into the platform….. at a price.
There is no node information in the leak. And yea, the node is something you have to design for, not the other way around
Only if they are suitable for a gaming system. I’m going to go with no. They’ll stick with ARM regular CPUs until I see otherwise.
Hey now, their memory and storage is good.
no. Nvidia is making a server cpu
They supply RAM and Storage which would be very relevant I feel. And the screen.
Just to clarify, Samsung has decided to use future Snapdragon SoCs for future Samsung Galaxy smartphones until 2024. And Qualcomm's making decisions on which process node is being used to fabricate future Snapdragon SoCs, not Samsung.
If the question's if Nintendo's going to stop using CPUs designed around Arm's ISA, then I don't believe so.
What a strange way of making your point by limiting possible Switch port PC players to Series S levels of hardware which costs around $1000 going by the last couple of years of PC hardware prices."PC Gamers" are people who play ANY game on their PC... and yes, that is HUNDREDS of millions. Hundreds of millions of stay at home parents and grandparents playing Peggle 2, toddlers playing edutainment and Windows Pinball or Purple Place.
However the number of PC Gamers
Why target that demographic by pandering to them directly with more development efforts when you could convert many of them to simply BUY your console, and now you have a captive audience which is way more profitable per user?
One Nintendo Switch owner makes orders of magnitude more money than a single Mario Kart Tour user.
If the OLED is an indicator of any future Nintendo hardware, not for long.
I’m not sure I follow, only Samsung makes the mobile OLED displays these days.
Not really off topic, perfectly on topic I’d say with the focus of the thread and all.
, which I do.
I think Nintendojitsu's saying there's no guarantee Nintendo's going exclusively Samsung for the RAM and internal flash storage since Nintendo's using Micron's LPDDR4X modules for the OLED model and Toshiba's (Kioxia's) eMMC 5.1 chip for the Nintendo Switch.
