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Outside of story, can confirm all of these bullet points with my time playing the demo.
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Forspoken Discussion Thread
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Nice
- loading is instantaneous, 4 seconds start a new game, .50 seconds to load saves
- animation in gameplay is very smooth as is secondary animation
- hair is cards controlled by curves
- foliage bends to Frey moving through it
- particles are gpu accelerated and sells the impact of the animation
- volume clouds and fog is high quality
- character models are very high quality
- lighting is a step backward from FF15
- uses a probe-based GI system, but this isn't the problem
- indirect lighting is poor and glowy
- directly lit areas are overly bloomy
- AO is poor despite all the AMD sponsorship
- FF15 has better AO, with its VXAO
- AO is not baked
- few shadow casting lights
- areas that should be shadowed are glowing as if they're lit somehow
- no real-time ToD, so it could be compared to Assassin's Creed Unity, which has baked lighting, but to much superior effect
- ray traced shadows are good, but distant rasterized shadows aren't existant
- distant objects don't exist
- the BVH is only filled with very close objects, leading to a harsh cut-off where the inferior raster shadow map show up
- environment dressing is poorly integrated
- buildings don't feel like they're properly placed in the environment from a lighting standpoint
- cutscenes can have texture issues, weird fade to blacks, and awkward second tier cutscenes
- slow walking scenes? how about NO WALKING SCENES!?
- dynamic res with FSR2
- 1440p in performance mode
- 2160p in quality and RT mode
- internal res can be as low as 50% of the listed
- performance mode has poor IQ (like Matrix Awakens on Series S)
- John's preferred mode is the RT mode in 120hz mode (40fps)
- most stable
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- performance (60hz) can dip below 60fps to the mid 40s in some areas
- quality mode (60hz) drops below 30fps in the same areas
- RT mode (60hz) has less dips in this area
- performance mode (120hz) allows for vrr to save those bad areas
- quality (120hz) dips too low for vrr in these bad areas
- the Project Athia reveal trailer looked better than the final game
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can developers just stop doing this shit? A game with slow mandatory walking scenes is a game too many.
they did that here. instead of talking and walking, you're frozen in place while exposition is delivered
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that sounds equally frustrating or even worse.
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Sumio Mondo
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68 now. Yikes. Seems like the same issues that plagued FFXV continue here - bad writing, barren open world, not interesting world. Positives seems to be the parkour and combat once you unlock things but the writing sounds like it's really irked some reviewers, going as far to say the dialogue puts them off playing the game.
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Sad to see it didn’t pan out but also
That specific clip of dialogue going around is not that much more offensive or different than usual video game dialogue/VA. The real issue people have with it is that it comes from a woman of color and they are showing their ass.
Sad to see some take the wrong conclusion away from these review scores, hope Square doesn’t.
That specific clip of dialogue going around is not that much more offensive or different than usual video game dialogue/VA. The real issue people have with it is that it comes from a woman of color and they are showing their ass.
Sad to see some take the wrong conclusion away from these review scores, hope Square doesn’t.
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Koren Lesthe
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I am at "this much" to stop following some people I used to like a lot just because not only they're now SquareEnix influencers, they are now spamming "What the hell is wrong with people complaining about Forspoken dialogue ?!".
At this point I'm starting to believe that the most vocal people about the game's dialogue reception are people complaining that there is people who don't like the dialogue.
At this point I'm starting to believe that the most vocal people about the game's dialogue reception are people complaining that there is people who don't like the dialogue.
EggmaniMN
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I've put about 6 hours into it today and all of the clips I've seen floating around have been from the first hour or so. I turned the banter frequency down to low and whatever dialogue's happened since then's been fine. It's nowhere close to as bad as High on Life or Fire Emblem Engage. Gameplay-wise it's been really fun zipping around shooting rocks and setting traps and all that. The talking scenes in the field people have harped on remind me of the incidental scenes you'd get in Kingdom Hearts 2 or 3 and there's an obviously much higher quality model for directed cutscenes.
idk, the game's generally fine and a 7 is probably where it should end up but people would have you believe it's a 2 judging by the reaction to a game they haven't touched or at best spent 15 minutes with in a demo with no context or explanation of mechanics. Having played all of Square's games from 2022, most of which landed in the same range (and Star Ocean 6 ending up as one of my favorite rpgs of the year), it's fine. A game can just end up okay. It doesn't need vitriol.
The major cool things are that the game is like 90% women in major roles and they're of all ranges of ethnicity, this DirectStorage stuff is incredibly impressive on loading (fast travel is basically instant, loading the game is all of 1 second) making exploration very breezy and side quests involve cats.
If the story ends up just being middling it's just going to go alongside the vast majority of the other rpgs I've played for the last quite a while. Soul Hackers 2, Xenoblade 3, Pokemon, Valkyrie Elysium, Star Ocean 6, Digimon Survive, DioField Chronicles, Atelier Sophie 2, Stranger of Paradise, Monark, Caligula Effect 2, they're all right there with it. Sorry not every RPG can be Tactics Ogre or Trails from Zero.
idk, the game's generally fine and a 7 is probably where it should end up but people would have you believe it's a 2 judging by the reaction to a game they haven't touched or at best spent 15 minutes with in a demo with no context or explanation of mechanics. Having played all of Square's games from 2022, most of which landed in the same range (and Star Ocean 6 ending up as one of my favorite rpgs of the year), it's fine. A game can just end up okay. It doesn't need vitriol.
The major cool things are that the game is like 90% women in major roles and they're of all ranges of ethnicity, this DirectStorage stuff is incredibly impressive on loading (fast travel is basically instant, loading the game is all of 1 second) making exploration very breezy and side quests involve cats.
If the story ends up just being middling it's just going to go alongside the vast majority of the other rpgs I've played for the last quite a while. Soul Hackers 2, Xenoblade 3, Pokemon, Valkyrie Elysium, Star Ocean 6, Digimon Survive, DioField Chronicles, Atelier Sophie 2, Stranger of Paradise, Monark, Caligula Effect 2, they're all right there with it. Sorry not every RPG can be Tactics Ogre or Trails from Zero.
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Great paper on why the "Whedon-esque" writing in Forspoken doesn't work in favor of the game
Post-Cringe: Forspoken and the Self-Sabotage of the Smirking Protagonist
If you're on Twitter or frequent gaming forums, you have probably been unable to escape clips of Forspoken (Square-Enix studio Luminous' new open world action RPG) today. Just in case you spend your time better than me, though, here's a small collection of them: I present to you *actual* dialogue
www.clockworkworlds.com
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... i find it kinda to be overwritten for a handful of sentences (without having played it, mind you).Great paper on why the "Whedon-esque" writing in Forspoken doesn't work in favor of the game
Post-Cringe: Forspoken and the Self-Sabotage of the Smirking Protagonist
If you're on Twitter or frequent gaming forums, you have probably been unable to escape clips of Forspoken (Square-Enix studio Luminous' new open world action RPG) today. Just in case you spend your time better than me, though, here's a small collection of them: I present to you *actual* dialoguewww.clockworkworlds.com
Its lack of sincerity, its an ironic detachment, as if the writers are ashamed of doing fantastic things, and the vehicle for that is a character that stands above it, doesn't take anything serious (even if its their real life on the line in the narrative).
Its an isekai, some "that's weird" is to be expected from the character, but it should be reduced, spoken more carefully, etc.
small banter with a new friend next to a campfire? sure, make fun of how you find the world ridiculous. while being caught and brought in front of a king/queen/witch/person that could end your life: keep your mouth shut. may, cautiously ask why somebody is talking in ryme if you are confused by it in that world. (yeah, im writing if im talking to the character... don't know why)
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Waiting for it because, Holy Dialogue, Batman, the game is 79,99 € in France.
That's 86.6 US dollars.
Belinda Blumenthal
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CDKeys have it for around 35% off.
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46 Gigs for a demo, wow.
wolftendo
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I have a Samsung SSD (870 Evo IIRC) and it loads very, very fast. Not as fast as the PS5 SSD but still.
Tales of Arise have almost non existant loading times on my rig.
wolftendo
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My Kingston NVMe loads games real fast.
Going from the 60 FPS - 3 sec. long loading times in Genshin Impact PC version to the 25-ish FPS - 40 sec loading times in the PS4 version gave me whiplash.
Dang, this really resonates with me. The lack of sincerity to a game's world kills so many franchises in my eyes. I think the Yakuza series looks great, for example, but then I see clips of men rolling around in diapers, talking chickens, and panty related side quests and my interest is gone. I just can't take the world serious so the whole thing falls flat when an actual story is trying to be told.Great paper on why the "Whedon-esque" writing in Forspoken doesn't work in favor of the game
Post-Cringe: Forspoken and the Self-Sabotage of the Smirking Protagonist
If you're on Twitter or frequent gaming forums, you have probably been unable to escape clips of Forspoken (Square-Enix studio Luminous' new open world action RPG) today. Just in case you spend your time better than me, though, here's a small collection of them: I present to you *actual* dialoguewww.clockworkworlds.com
Stephen King released a fantasy novel last year, Fairy Tale, and it was my favorite book that year because, while having SK's style of humor peppered throughout, was overwhelmingly serious with its world. It presented a handful of interesting ideas that could only work in a traditional fantasy setting and played them straight. Every peak at the larger world outside the main character's story was truly fascinating and I spent a lot of time just fantasizing about the world, something I haven't really done since I was younger. I don't think I would've been as invested if everything was a constant wink at the reader to fantasy cliches.
No real point to make, I just really liked that book lol. Writers are free to do whatever they want, I just like when they take their creations seriously.
Hailinel
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I think that an important distinction to be made (and where mileage will vary) is that the wackier substories in Yakuza aren't treated with a smirking "I guess I'm doing this now" quip or sideeye to the audience. The protagonist, whether it be Kiryu or anyone else, plays it straight. Yakuza acknowledges that eccentricities exist and people can do weird shit, and just rolls with it, even when it involves getting into a brawl with a baby-play fetishist. It's certainly not an everyday situation, but the games just treat that kind of nonsense as just part of life because life is often nonsensical.
By contrast, Forspoken is all about the smirking, winking to the camera, Whedon-esque nonsense of the protagonist actively sabotaging the dramatic stakes for the sake of a clever quip that exists only to point out how stupid the world around them is.
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I think Yakuza is very different to what Forspoken appears to be doing. I've been playing Yakuza 0 recently and the main story is very sincere and it takes itself seriously even when it's being over the top. The substories tend to have sincere beats between the humour and the game accepts weird characters and oddness as part of its world without questioning it. A big part of the humour and how the game includes all the weird stuff is that Kiryu takes it seriously and agrees to and accepts a lot. The game believes in every part of itself and is never ashamed of what it's doing as Austin talks about in the article above.
The problem is less silliness, and more what looks like embarrassment at silliness or working within certain genres.
I don't think it's necessarily a dealbreaker though, especially if you can do things like turn down banter. I think it's also falling victim to the natural backlash towards that style of writing in genre fiction - back in the day when genre television and cinema didn't have as much prestige or popularity as it does now, it was a way to make it palatable to wider audiences. "We think this is dweebish too! Aren't we so silly?" But now that the most popular media is all superheroes and dragons, it feels unnecessary. More people have moved beyond feeling like something has to be a guilty pleasure or like they have to qualify anything unserious or unrealistic with "yeah, I know", so having the text itself behave that way seems outdated and passé. And I say all this as someone who was a big Buffy fan. It was of its time. I'm sure it will have its time again too.
Some of it is also just part of the fish out of water fantasy sub-genre though. I don't like what I've heard in the clips, but I'm not surprised by it. I also assume watching all the 'worst bits' on Twitter is not the same as having them spread throughout a game less densely.
I don't think Forspoken is any less sincere than say Spiderman. They're just teenagers who make jokes a lot.
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Played a couple of hours tonight, really enjoying it so far. I’m playing on PC, and the mouse and keyboard controls are sooooo much better than the controller controls imo. The game is really a shooter pretending to be something else so that makes sense.
Unfortunately, my GPU only has 8GB of VRAM which means textures look really soupy a lot of the time. Like Final Fantasy 7 Remake on PS4 soupy.
Unfortunately, my GPU only has 8GB of VRAM which means textures look really soupy a lot of the time. Like Final Fantasy 7 Remake on PS4 soupy.
Played up until the download not finished roadblock. Really good introduction, felt like really being in New York in a way I've never seen in a video game. We love Homer
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Was too excited for this tech wise on PC so downloading the full game on Steam Deck to see how it runs and looks. Will check on my PC later.
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Should this be converted to the ST? I would volunteer to make one, but honestly, I would rather spend time playing it than making graphics for it. 
Jahranimo
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So I've been watching a couple of streams and honestly? Outside of a few early parts I think the writing is just fine. Frey's reaction to everything after getting isekai'd into Athia can be realistic in a sense (who wouldn't lose their shit to an actual real dragon?!) Plus her little banter with Cuff is alright.
Still not getting this until a steep discount but yeah lol.
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It absolutely isn't like this at all. Frey's taking all of the serious story beats seriously going through the game once she gets over the shock of being in Athia and has to actually deal with it and I don't know where people are getting this idea from that she's acting like Spiderman the whole time. She goads Tanta Sila but that isn't a quip and other than that the entire confrontation is taken seriously including the fact that she has to kill someone who maybe isn't too far gone.
That youtube video people are posting is terrible.
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It's the disease called Twitter Hive Mind™
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I played a little over 10 hours and is on Chapter 5. So far the game is a 6/10 for me. Now whether that improves, by the time I finish. Remains to be seen.
I don't have the same issues I been seeing a lot of people complain about. Don't have an issue with the story, dialogue, Frey, etc. The story has been ok so far. The dialogue doesn't bother me. I've heard far worse before. I don't think Frey is a bad character. She is a ok character.
My issues I have with the game, is the game world isn't all that interesting from the time I played with it so far. Going from area to area, exploring, doing detours, and other side content, feels really tedious and repetitive. The combat is decent and the parkour traversal is good. But the overall game has been a bit boring. I always finish a game when I start it. Regardless of the enjoyment. So going to finish it up before I start on Dead Space. But so far my impressions are the game is slightly above average.
I don't have the same issues I been seeing a lot of people complain about. Don't have an issue with the story, dialogue, Frey, etc. The story has been ok so far. The dialogue doesn't bother me. I've heard far worse before. I don't think Frey is a bad character. She is a ok character.
My issues I have with the game, is the game world isn't all that interesting from the time I played with it so far. Going from area to area, exploring, doing detours, and other side content, feels really tedious and repetitive. The combat is decent and the parkour traversal is good. But the overall game has been a bit boring. I always finish a game when I start it. Regardless of the enjoyment. So going to finish it up before I start on Dead Space. But so far my impressions are the game is slightly above average.
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Been playing this. Not gonna lie, it's a bit of an unfocused mess in a lot of ways that I'm no sure is super good. That being said, the reviews and reactions to this make very little sense after actually playing it. The writing isn't amazing, but I've honestly liked it more moment to moment than other Sony projects. The writing problems really come through in a lot of other ways. It is overproduced to hell and back on so many fronts, but not really any more than other AAA projects. Just feels a little weird that some of the small things in this got harped on as ruining when they are just kinda mediocre throwaways, while there are other gigantic elephants in the room going on with it.
Still like the game though, and will probably finish it. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in that this is a pretty "meh to alright" game that I enjoy enough, but the reasons I feel that way sit in really weird contrast to the WoM I was getting.
Still like the game though, and will probably finish it. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in that this is a pretty "meh to alright" game that I enjoy enough, but the reasons I feel that way sit in really weird contrast to the WoM I was getting.
