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Something I want to point out about Pyoro is that if he really does have the ability to see what all of Nintendo's private videos are (aka Direct game highlights), well then if the past is any indication, he won't be able to know EVERYTHING that is in the Direct.

Let me elaborate. After a Direct typically airs, Nintendo will make a playlist of most of the announcements that they have on YouTube. However, there has been cases in the past where the company would not release a video of a game that they revealed. For example, the Princess Peach game and Luigi's Mansion 2 Remake both did not get any videos on the June 2023 playlist at all. What this means in theory is that Nintendo could have game announcements that may not have their own videos in the playlist. In addition, it may be possible that Nintendo may not make some of those announcements as private videos at first, only to be uploaded AFTER the Direct airs. So, I would not be surprised if Pyoro here may have the right information, but not ALL of it.
 
Reminiscing about the original Mario vs. Donkey Kong on GBA.. the interesting thing about its development is that they allegedly incorporated certain things to distance themselves to the Arcade DK and to lightly allude to DKC, due Rare's departure; Despite its gameplay being mostly based on the arcade game (+ a little bit of SMB2);

When the game was first shown at E3 2002, it was named Donkey Kong Plus, and had a way more traditional pixel art style with cartoony visuals, and starred Donkey Kong Senior (aka Cranky Kong) in the antagonist role, just like DK '94;

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But when Rare was bought by Microsoft on that same year, the game got through a drastic visual overall and when it was shown again, it had now pre-rendered graphics just like Donkey Kong Country, the modern DK was added as the villain and a new brand was created that made it easier to not compare with the Arcade title (nor to be misleading, as the GB game was thought to be just a port);

Supposedly this was the same effect that had Nintendo scrambling to add Diddy Kong to Double Dash and so many other Rare legacy content was added to several games to follow on the GameCube and GBA at the time.

So in a way, even though the series dilluted itself to be irrecognizable, Mario vs. Donkey Kong was also trying to appease the negative buzz of Rare being gone, the concern of the DK fanbase and the uncertainty of the future... and here we are today, again.. with similar thoughts.
 
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It's weird to me to try to hype up Mario vs Donkey Kong as a possible game to appease DKC fans.

Obviously if that's what we're getting then hopefully the game is good. But half the appeal of DKC is the world, the music and the recognizable characters and you're just not going to get that in a Mario vs Donkey Kong game.
 
I've mentioned this before if but if there was anything the post-Rare, pre-Retro era of Donkey Kong had going for it, it's that it was nice of Nintendo to try keeping Rare's extended cast alive in DK spinoffs and even appearances in Mario games, even when we weren't getting mainline platformers (outside of DK Jungle Beat, but...you know...). We now know that their internal character team were the ones responsible for the modernized redesigns for everyone, including the new Kremling characters introduced in Barrel Blast.

Returns brought DK back into prominence...but it's kind of a shame it came at the expense of the legacy cast. Hell, even Diddy struggles to show up in Mario spinoffs these days (we're still wondering if he's even gonna be in the BCP)
 
Dinoman96 said:
I've mentioned this before if but if there was anything the post-Rare, pre-Retro era of Donkey Kong had going for it, it's that it was nice of Nintendo to try keeping Rare's extended cast alive in DK spinoffs and even appearances in Mario games, even when we weren't getting mainline platformers (outside of DK Jungle Beat, but...you know...). We now know that their internal character team were the ones responsible for the modernized redesigns for everyone, including the new Kremling characters introduced in Barrel Blast.

Returns brought DK back into prominence...but it's kind of a shame it came at the expense of the legacy cast. Hell, even Diddy struggles to show up in Mario spinoffs these days (we're still wondering if he's even gonna be in the BCP)
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I’m still waiting for King Of Swing 3
 
AngryAlchemist said:
It's weird to me to try to hype up Mario vs Donkey Kong as a possible game to appease DKC fans.

Obviously if that's what we're getting then hopefully the game is good. But half the appeal of DKC is the world, the music and the recognizable characters and you're just not going to get that in a Mario vs Donkey Kong game.
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It’s like hyping up Mario vs DK as a game to appease 2D Mario fans before Mario Wonder was announced
 
Crazy to see that not only has it been almost 20 years since a proper "Donkey Kong" game, but even the last Mario vs Donkey Kong came out the year after Tropical Freeze. We're long overdue.
 
Dinoman96 said:
I've mentioned this before if but if there was anything the post-Rare, pre-Retro era of Donkey Kong had going for it, it's that it was nice of Nintendo to try keeping Rare's extended cast alive in DK spinoffs and even appearances in Mario games, even when we weren't getting mainline platformers (outside of DK Jungle Beat, but...you know...). We now know that their internal character team were the ones responsible for the modernized redesigns for everyone, including the new Kremling characters introduced in Barrel Blast.

Returns brought DK back into prominence...but it's kind of a shame it came at the expense of the legacy cast. Hell, even Diddy struggles to show up in Mario spinoffs these days (we're still wondering if he's even gonna be in the BCP)
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As far as DK characters not showing up in modern Mario sports titles, this is due to the fact that the Donkey Kong brand now has internal oversight management as of 2017 (with the confirmation of the DK IP team) and as such, elements of the Donkey Kong series are not being distributed out as freely to anyone who wants to use them as they were in the GameCube and Wii era.

I'd personally be okay with them keeping more DK characters within the DK series as opposed to Mario spinoffs... But the problem is.. there aren't nearly as many Donkey Kong games as there are Mario games, and that's definitely not going to change, even when the DK series is on solid footing again.

But that's all naked speculation on my part.
 
MusicProposition said:
yeah, this was pretty frustrating. I don’t blame Pyoro cause they probably don’t know, but this whole DK game thing is such a big deal (look at the likes/retweet numbers on Twitter) and this MvsDK thing will definitely feel tone-deaf to many DK fans
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Granted that some on the socials intentionally toy with peoples emotions, but people also need to stop putting "leakers" on pedestals and not set themselves up for disappointment. It's cliche, but hype responsibly, Smash specualtion veterans can attest to that.

Legitimate, trustworthy Nintendo insiders with excellent track records and being an informative source includes a very, very small group of people. Many who claim to be in this "inner circle" simply piggy back off of others, establish half truths, heresay and add their own opinons to their "leaks", like adding their own ingredients to a soup. And/or information, or misnformation is passed through many different channels in such a way that the original message is lost - Purple Monkey Dishwasher for those Simpsons fans.

I don't mind Mario vs DK potentially returning, beggars can't be choosers, but like many I hope and pray there is something bigger at play.
 
Well, if anyone needed reassurance, Nate mentioned in his podcast that Mario vs. Donkey Kong has nothing to do with what he heard about EPD Donkey Kong (as expected);

And I believe Jeff Grubb also mentioned recently he heard about DK in some capacity too (regardless of his track record).

-- The fact we're getting Mario vs. Donkey Kong at all, before the announcement of the big boy game, hurts a bunch.. but.. well.. at least there's always next time to look for.. (I still believe it being a Switch game)
 
I'm still bummed Retro never got to finish their trilogy. I don't care if Wonder is releasing, I want a proper DK game so bad, 2d or 3d. MvDK would be Federation Force levels of tone deaf.
 
CyberWolfJV said:
Well, if anyone needed reassurance, Nate mentioned in his podcast that Mario vs. Donkey Kong has nothing to do with what he heard about EPD Donkey Kong (as expected);

And I believe Jeff Grubb also mentioned recently he heard about DK in some capacity too (regardless of his track record).

-- The fact we're getting Mario vs. Donkey Kong at all, before the announcement of the big boy game, hurts a bunch.. but.. well.. at least there's always next time to look for.. (I still believe it being a Switch game)
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That's reassuring but time's starting to seriously run out if this title's meant for the Switch still!
 
I’m really, reeeeeeeally hoping that the DK stuff is a double whammy announcement segment.

“Here’s Mario vs. Donkey Kong.”

And then after they

“We aren’t done with Donkey Kong yet - we have one more thing we’d like to share with you today.”

Boom. New 2D/3D DK game. 2024. Short and sweet trailer.

Or maybe that crawl back with it at the very end and it’s the one last thing before the stream ends.

In any case, I just hope hope hope it’s not JUST MVDK. Hopefully they learned their lesson of this with Federation Force. (Imagine the less backlash that would have gotten if it was announced alongside Samus Returns.)
 
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That's reassuring but time's starting to seriously run out if this title's meant for the Switch still!
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Switch 1 won't stop to getting its exclusive games until up to 2025 and maybe beyond. This is not a Wii U situation, where Nintendo and all their partner studios will just move on as soon the next hardware drops.

Granted, something as big as a mainline Donkey Kong game may be too much to release only on Switch 1, but still, there's always a chance of being a cross-gen title, even after the next system is out for a little while.
 
Gingerbread Man said:
Just to fuel the rumor saga -- @PikminSnezkov said that EPD is developing a new DK game, but that the whole Donkey Kong Freedom rumor is false.
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At this point I don't know what to think is true and what is false. The Donkey Kong Freedom rumor seemed reasonable enough and made for a good story...but in the end it doesn't matter because whether or not the game was in development, it didn't get released. As each Direct passes with no new Donkey Kong game, I am less and less inclined to believe the EPD game exists.

The bottom line is this: if Nintendo truly thinks of the Donkey Kong franchise as one of its pillars, then it is absolutely ridiculous that there hasn't been a new game in almost a decade when literally every other major Nintendo franchise has gotten one in the same time frame (and most have gotten multiple).
 
I'm happy to finally get some new Kongs in MK8D with Diddy and Funky.

Also cool to see MvDK was a remake of the original rather than just another Lemmings style game with the Minis.

At this point I think it's time to let go of the idea of a new DK coming to Switch. Given how pretty much everything in this Direct was remakes and remasters, I think Nintendo is sending the Switch off into the sunset with this final wave of 1st party games. We are going to have to cross our fingers during the Switch 2 presentation that DK is among the wave of titles they announce for it.
 
I say we still have at least one Switch focused/exclusively Direct in February; --The next hardware is likely being announced after the end of this fiscal year (thus, March is when they could hypothetically openly discuss it). And eeeeven then, a Direct happening during the lead up for the launch of the next system, could very well have Switch exclusive games and (very likely) some cross-gen titles.

I'll give yet another year to completely give up on having an actual new Donkey Kong game on Switch; it's tiring.. but at least it's probably the final one.

Irony that even the Mario vs. Donkey Kong game we ended getting it's a remake, huh? Not even that to call it an original adventure lol
 
Yeah, MVDK being a remake does nothing to change the expectations here. I’m not confident in a late Switch 1 game but we will see.
 
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I feel they'll announce the game in February / March, to be released in mid-2024, more or less concurrently with the theme park. Switch 2 will be released in late 2024 with 3D Mario.

The game will target both the casual audience who got interested in DK from the Mario Movie or the theme park and the 2D Mario audience looking for another game after Mario Wonder (the mid-2024 release will leave Wonder some space). Realistically, both audiences are not going to buy Switch 2 at launch, and DK will benefit from the theme park / Wonder push.
 
Hibby said:
If that's the case, then DK as a brand has truly been merged with the Mario brand. Would explain the theme park, movie appearance, and Mario branding on the Legos.

I'm depressed.

Though, last bit of copium... NST develops the MvDK games, not EPD. So we'll see, I guess.
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I mentioned this on another thread, but my main concern today is that DK by EPD Tokyo is actually the same game as the upcoming 3D Mario by EPD Tokyo, with DK elements simply being absorbed by Super Mario as is the case in the movie.

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But I believe the NST game and the EPD Tokyo game are two different projects, so we'll get both Mario vs. DK (hopefully with a DK94-inspired gameplay) and 2D DK. It doesn't make any sense to promote DK as its own sub-brand with its own visual identity only to release a Mario spin-off and a port, IMHO.
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Or maybe the other EPD Tokyo game is the Peach game, and not a DK game at all. We'll see quite quickly know who developped the Peach game. All the developers we could think of for Peach (NLG,NST,IS) are in fact releasing their own projects, so EPD Tokyo isn't such a far-fetched hypothesis.

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The frustrating part is that this is not the first time they do this. Back during the buyout Nintendo tried a bunch of different things (Jungle Beat, Konga, spin-offs), yet the thing that outsold them all were the GBA remakes of the SNES trilogy. Nintendo knows that what people want are the Country platformers, yet they don’t have a dedicated studio working on them, instead just giving the brand to whomever is available at the time. It’s a huge missed opportunity.
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I totally agree, unfortunately. I hope with all my heart that Retro will at least come to finish its trilogy, but for that to happen they'd have to really get a second team, because I can't imagine for a second that the huge resources mobilized for Prime 4 won't immediately be reallocated to a Prime 5 dedicated to the next hardware. Anyway, it looks like it's DKC fans' turn to say: "Fucking Metroid" haha.

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Admittedly, Mario vs DK would be odd to bring back. The series kind of burned itself out, with the most recent installment being some weird amiibo spin-off.

I honestly think a Captain Toad sequel would be a more interesting use of NST's time, but maybe this is a small-scale project (if it even exists).
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Honestly, I really thought of NST when the Peach game was first revealed, it really looked like the approach EPD Tokyo had taken in entrusting them with Captain Toad. I also think it's a bit of a waste to actually mobilize them for Mario vs DK, especially for what is in fact a simple HD remake after all.

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I'm still bummed Retro never got to finish their trilogy. I don't care if Wonder is releasing, I want a proper DK game so bad, 2d or 3d. MvDK would be Federation Force levels of tone deaf.
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As I said above, I really hope they'll be able to offer a third episode on the next hardware. But in the meantime, at least give us Returns HD quickly to wait.

CyberWolfJV said:
I say we still have at least one Switch focused/exclusively Direct in February; --The next hardware is likely being announced after the end of this fiscal year (thus, March is when they could hypothetically openly discuss it). And eeeeven then, a Direct happening during the lead up for the launch of the next system, could very well have Switch exclusive games and (very likely) some cross-gen titles.

I'll give yet another year to completely give up on having an actual new Donkey Kong game on Switch; it's tiring.. but at least it's probably the final one.

Irony that even the Mario vs. Donkey Kong game we ended getting it's a remake, huh? Not even that to call it an original adventure lol
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I agree. And even if we were to consider that the release of a brand new DK game is somehow wedged between Mario Wonder, which is the last big game developed for the Switch 1, and the future 3D Mario, which will perhaps be one of the first big games developed for the Switch 2, we can still imagine a DK, even a late one, that is cross-gen. After all, the Switch 1 will continue to receive games, so if EPD Tokyo DK ever exists, which I hope with all my heart but doubt more and more, it could very well be released even in 2025, for example.
 
boodream said:
I mentioned this on another thread, but my main concern today is that DK by EPD Tokyo is actually the same game as the upcoming 3D Mario by EPD Tokyo, with DK elements simply being absorbed by Super Mario as is the case in the movie.


Or maybe the other EPD Tokyo game is the Peach game, and not a DK game at all. We'll see quite quickly know who developped the Peach game. All the developers we could think of for Peach (NLG,NST,IS) are in fact releasing their own projects, so EPD Tokyo isn't such a far-fetched hypothesis.


I totally agree, unfortunately. I hope with all my heart that Retro will at least come to finish its trilogy, but for that to happen they'd have to really get a second team, because I can't imagine for a second that the huge resources mobilized for Prime 4 won't immediately be reallocated to a Prime 5 dedicated to the next hardware. Anyway, it looks like it's DKC fans' turn to say: "Fucking Metroid" haha.


Honestly, I really thought of NST when the Peach game was first revealed, it really looked like the approach EPD Tokyo had taken in entrusting them with Captain Toad. I also think it's a bit of a waste to actually mobilize them for Mario vs DK, especially for what is in fact a simple HD remake after all.


As I said above, I really hope they'll be able to offer a third episode on the next hardware. But in the meantime, at least give us Returns HD quickly to wait.


I agree. And even if we were to consider that the release of a brand new DK game is somehow wedged between Mario Wonder, which is the last big game developed for the Switch 1, and the future 3D Mario, which will perhaps be one of the first big games developed for the Switch 2, we can still imagine a DK, even a late one, that is cross-gen. After all, the Switch 1 will continue to receive games, so if EPD Tokyo DK ever exists, which I hope with all my heart but doubt more and more, it could very well be released even in 2025, for example.
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Peach might be Good Feel. We'll see in a few months
 
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boodream said:
I mentioned this on another thread, but my main concern today is that DK by EPD Tokyo is actually the same game as the upcoming 3D Mario by EPD Tokyo, with DK elements simply being absorbed by Super Mario as is the case in the movie.


Or maybe the other EPD Tokyo game is the Peach game, and not a DK game at all. We'll see quite quickly know who developped the Peach game. All the developers we could think of for Peach (NLG,NST,IS) are in fact releasing their own projects, so EPD Tokyo isn't such a far-fetched hypothesis.


I totally agree, unfortunately. I hope with all my heart that Retro will at least come to finish its trilogy, but for that to happen they'd have to really get a second team, because I can't imagine for a second that the huge resources mobilized for Prime 4 won't immediately be reallocated to a Prime 5 dedicated to the next hardware. Anyway, it looks like it's DKC fans' turn to say: "Fucking Metroid" haha.


Honestly, I really thought of NST when the Peach game was first revealed, it really looked like the approach EPD Tokyo had taken in entrusting them with Captain Toad. I also think it's a bit of a waste to actually mobilize them for Mario vs DK, especially for what is in fact a simple HD remake after all.


As I said above, I really hope they'll be able to offer a third episode on the next hardware. But in the meantime, at least give us Returns HD quickly to wait.


I agree. And even if we were to consider that the release of a brand new DK game is somehow wedged between Mario Wonder, which is the last big game developed for the Switch 1, and the future 3D Mario, which will perhaps be one of the first big games developed for the Switch 2, we can still imagine a DK, even a late one, that is cross-gen. After all, the Switch 1 will continue to receive games, so if EPD Tokyo DK ever exists, which I hope with all my heart but doubt more and more, it could very well be released even in 2025, for example.
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DK would be a great cross-gen game. It's something that doesn't necessarily need better performance than TF or need to be 4K and it would benefit from the Switch's huge install base.
 
Brock Reiher said:
Crazy to see that not only has it been almost 20 years since a proper "Donkey Kong" game, but even the last Mario vs Donkey Kong came out the year after Tropical Freeze. We're long overdue.
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i… think you mean 10…

edit: unless i have no idea what the criteria for “proper donkey kong” is
 
Brock Reiher said:
Donkey Kong, not Donkey Kong Country
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ah

I guess that doesn’t shock me so much because I never really had the impression they were going to continue it

and wait — isn’t it 30 years, then? if DK94 was the last one?
 
Suswave said:
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I guess that doesn’t shock me so much because I never really had the impression they were going to continue it

and wait — isn’t it 30 years, then? if DK94 was the last one?
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Mario vs DK is basically a direct sequel, it was originally supposed to be a remake iirc.
 
I love that it’s 10, 20, or 30 depending on which subseries you’re thinking of

decade wave
 
It's either:
  • 40 years since the last direct sequel to "Donkey Kong" (Donkey Kong 3, 1984 -- using the Famicom release date);
  • 30 years since the last sequel continuing "Donkey Kong" legacy (Donkey Kong '94, 1994);
  • 20 years since the last game featuring Mario versus Donkey Kong (Mario vs. Donkey Kong, 2004);
  • 10 years since the last game with Donkey Kong in a prominent role (Tropical Freeze, 2014).

Kinda poetic. They'll release something in 2024. And it will be "Donkey Kong 4", with Tropical Freeze gameplay, except the bonus stages are DK 94-style, starring DK, Stanley the Bugman, Dixie and the Mini Mario toys. With Bongo controller support for a true DK experience.

EDIT: And it's 50 years since this vinyl was released!

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Funky, Diddy and Pauline really surprised me. Peachette should have been Dixie.

Considering how the Switch’s last year is shaping up I think it’s safe to assume MonkEPD will be a Switch 2 title.
 
Was still nice to see Diddy/Funky/Pauline get in but really needed Dixie in place of Peachette to keep the DK/DKC theme going for MK8 lol.

Still really desperate for some more mainline DK action though goddamn. At least the MvsDK game was a proper remake of the original and not more mini mario stuff?
 
I’m thinking we’ll be seeing the new DK in early 2025 at this point. Fall Switch 2 release with 3D Mario and Mario Kart 9 launch titles and DK within the launch window for late Winter/Early Spring 2025.
 
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DK is very unlikely to be a Switch 2 exclusive

Why?

Several sources claim that it started production 2017/2018 which is very early in the Switch lifecycle. Even before Covid that’s a solid 2 years on a 2D game. It’s probably finished. It would be very unusual to start production on a game designed for a successor that was likely still in the conceptual stage

Next year is the opening of the DK theme park section at Universal. Nintendo likes to have synergy with their games like this year with the Mario movie and the several Mario games

Nintendo is likely to have new switch games at least a year after the successor comes out. It’s their most popular main console ever, and you’re leaving a lot of money on the table if you just focus on the new hardware which will only be in a small minority of Nintendo fans’ hands for a couple months after launch
Of course there will be at least one Switch 2 exclusive when it arrives but given the money that DK makes versus Mario, it’s probably the latter, which of course we are due for anyway
 
Number1000DKFan said:
DK is very unlikely to be a Switch 2 exclusive

Why?

Several sources claim that it started production 2017/2018 which is very early in the Switch lifecycle. Even before Covid that’s a solid 2 years on a 2D game. It’s probably finished. It would be very unusual to start production on a game designed for a successor that was likely still in the conceptual stage

Next year is the opening of the DK theme park section at Universal. Nintendo likes to have synergy with their games like this year with the Mario movie and the several Mario games

Nintendo is likely to have new switch games at least a year after the successor comes out. It’s their most popular main console ever, and you’re leaving a lot of money on the table if you just focus on the new hardware which will only be in a small minority of Nintendo fans’ hands for a couple months after launch
Of course there will be at least one Switch 2 exclusive when it arrives but given the money that DK makes versus Mario, it’s probably the latter, which of course we are due for anyway
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Honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo had a February Direct that reveals the new EPD game and for it to come out in early June - late July at most.
 
Frankly shocked that people are so upset about the price of Mario vs. Donkey Kong remake (but I really shouldn't); It really got people off guard? Nintendo? lol

Link's Awakening was a remake of a black-and-white Game Boy game and they charged more..

At very least, this is a full fledged Game Boy Advance with more meat on its bones. Though for this remake I hope they add at very least the e-Reader levels that were released only in Japan.
 
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