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oomoepoo said:
Big Finish is already salivating :LOL:
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In all fairness, they're pretty much doing that every day regardless 🤣

oomoepoo said:
Neil Patrick Harris as Toymaker was an outstanding choice. Someone who could give Tennant a run for his money when it came to scenery chewing.

Honestly, until the Bi-Generation this was a 10/10 episode. But it's really no small feat to make a regeneration feel silly. And then it kinda devolves into RTD shlock. I also don't really get the need for saying "Hey, the Doctor you've known for 60+ years is now retired!"
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I don't mind the Bi-Generation, but good lord, this is literally Chibnall levels of awful implementations of your ideas. There's literally no setup whatsoever and it just happens out of nowhere and than explained in literally just a single line. I don't mind the idea, honestly, it's quite an interesting idea, but it's just dropped in there out of nowhere. If anything, the reason simply should've been the Toymaker messing about and screwing himself over.
 
Was enjoying the episode but it really dropped the ball in the final third.

Felt like Ncuti's entrance was overshadowed which was super disappointing, and not a fan of retirement 14. And the Toymaker's end was super anticlimactic compared to the build up.

JoshuaJSlone said:
I know people joke about things like multi-Doctor stories with 10 & 14, but it seems like any writer wanting to work with 14 is going to have to be pretty precise, yeah? Seems like almost the guy's full existence is being seen, bouncing directly from situation to situation. I know there was some sort of magazine comic that fit in between his appearance and the Children in Need short.
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Not so precise anymore I suppose...
 
Shadow said:
I don't mind the idea, honestly, it's quite an interesting idea, but it's just dropped in there out of nowhere. If anything, the reason simply should've been the Toymaker messing about and screwing himself over.
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Yeah, kind of wasted potential. Could've really wrapped things up neatly by retroactively making the Toymaker some kind of arc-villain, maybe even since Flux. He's supposed to be a neigh omnipotent being beyond space and time, why not make him the guy who's meddled with him for a while already? Though I have a bit hope that this role is reserved for the "big boss" that was mentioned 🤔
 
I feel like NPH was less like the Toymaker as previously seen, and more Q from Star Trek. Martha Jones is gonna be pissed when she finds out she's the only one Russell didn't give a spare David Tennant to.
oomoepoo said:
I also don't really get the need for saying "Hey, the Doctor you've known for 60+ years is now retired!"
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They're BOTH the Doctor we've known for 60+ years.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
I feel like NPH was less like the Toymaker as previously seen, and more Q from Star Trek. Martha Jones is gonna be pissed when she finds out she's the only one Russell didn't give a spare David Tennant to.
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Tbf, the Toymaker hasn't really had many appearances and he's always been kind of been portrayed as something god-like, as far as I know. They maybe exaggerated a bit but I don't think it's that egregious.
Also, Martha has Mickey instead :LOL:
 
Yeah the toymaker could, instead of killing 14, have (by whatever shenanigans) taken 15 and combined him with current 14 at the moment of 14's future regeneration. This would have allowed 15's introduction and future potential for 14 while feeling less forced imo. No need to duplicate the TARDIS either.
 
oomoepoo said:
Tbf, the Toymaker hasn't really had many appearances and he's always been kind of been portrayed as something god-like, as far as I know. They maybe exaggerated a bit but I don't think it's that egregious.
Also, Martha has Mickey instead :LOL:
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Martha: I want a man who's travelled in time and uses the surname Smith.
Russell: We have a man who's travelled in time and uses the surname Smith at home.
The man who's travelled in time and uses the surname Smith at home:
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Loved every single moment until the end. I even loved the bi-generation idea, but I was sure Tennant was going to fade away somehow, maybe with some nice camera tricks. Having two Doctors raise so many questions, and since both of them are legitimate, why should we follow the adventures of one Doctor instead of another?

Shadow said:
I'm genuinely unsure if Davies is serious, but:



Please don't put this in retroactively, this is such an insane idea that makes the whole Timeless Child looks smart...
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Nah Davies likes to throw ideas in the commentary. For example, back to The Stolen Earth, he and Tennant joked for a bit whether or not the regeneration counted (which at the time was very dubious).
 
The episode was silly as hell, but I liked it, if only for the entertainment factor. I agree that the resolution was the weakest link of the episode. And yeah, we're 100% getting a 14 spin-off (probably on Big Finish, but I wouldn't rule out the occasional TV special episode here and there). Now, all we need is the Valeyard to somehow come back in the TV show and we have three distinct versions of the Doctor running around the universe.

Also, at this point we can assume that 14 is the Curator, right? The one who retired, who in terms of faces revisited "the old favorites"... it might be total fanwank, but so far it fits.

Anyway, onward to the Ncuti era!
doodlewhizz said:
Martha: I want a man who's travelled in time and uses the surname Smith.
Russell: We have a man who's travelled in time and uses the surname Smith at home.
The man who's travelled in time and uses the surname Smith at home:
Autonmickey-1-.jpg
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Sheesh, now there's a character who isn't coming back any time soon 😬
 
oomoepoo said:
I think, Davies said something about 14 regenerating backwards now... so I guess that'd fit.
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Aaah... clever RTD, trying to bring Christopher Eccleston back to the show through the power of canon.
 
Cucufate said:
Also, at this point we can assume that 14 is the Curator, right? The one who retired, who in terms of faces revisited "the old favorites"... it might be total fanwank, but so far it fits.
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I think the Curator is such a distant thing it's a fool's errand to try to make a distinction like that this early on. Fourteen is mostly staying home now, but it's not like even that is unheard of. We've seen Eleven get depressed and claim retirement before, and Twelve spent a few decades primarily teaching college.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
I think the Curator is such a distant thing it's a fool's errand to try to make a distinction like that this early on. Fourteen is mostly staying home now, but it's not like even that is unheard of. We've seen Eleven get depressed and claim retirement before, and Twelve spent a few decades primarily teaching college.
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For sure; I meant it more as in "I think Davies is implying that this can be the case" rather than it being an established truth.

(and what is an established truth in Doctor Who canon, anyway. Just in this episode, the Toymaker casually says that he "made a jigsaw out of [the Doctor's] history", meaning that the writing team can modify or replace things in the lore with ease; a wizard the Toymaker did it!)
 
Uh I though the bi-generation was a "split", with both Doctors equal. But...
Doc 15: I'm fine because you fixed yourself. We're Time Lords. We're doing rehab out of order.
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This suggests that 15 was from the future, and we haven't see 14 regeneration yet.
 
Gingerbread Man said:
Uh I though the bi-generation was a "split", with both Doctors equal. But...

This suggests that 15 was from the future, and we haven't see 14 regeneration yet.
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But if that were the case why would they duplicate the TARDIS? They could just use 14's TARDIS to retrieve the future TARDIS from wherever it is.
 
After sleeping on it, I feel even more excited for The Church on Ruby Road. Ncuti had such a great screen presence during the final parts of The Giggle and the Christmas special looks promising. I'm not fully sure about the new Sonic Screwdriver just yet but I'm leaning more positive than negative on it. I am looking forward to 5:55pm Christmas Day on BBC One!!

The new Sonic Screwdriver video:
 
It seems the Doctor Who team listened to the "The sonic screwdriver is too much like a magic wand these days" camp, but they didn't quite get what they meant by that.
oomoepoo said:
that's gotta be the ugliest and most toyetic Sonic I've seen so far.
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Yeah, that's my main (and, honestly, so far only) gripe with it. I don't mind a new, unusual design, but this looks so much like it was designed to look good as a toy that's not even funny.
 
I will never understand how the name goes from being spelled Ncuti, to being spoke as Shooty. It's so weird and I love it.
 
Welp, unsurprisingly Christopher Eccleston isn't coming back to the TV show any time soon. Good for him sticking to his guns, though.

 
I don't know if it is a coincidence, but the older, tired Doctor we've seen in the last three specials works very well as a continuation of 12's regeneration.

Where I go... It has to be alone.
Except the Doctor needs to go to some old friends, and get some rest.

And funnily enough, the Capaldi era felt like a response of the Tennant era, with the Doctor playing the memory-wiping trick again with Clara, the return of the Master, Hell Bent as a follow up of End of Time, the Doctor's face... In fact, the Doctor finding another way (albeit unintentionally) to heal Donna works exceptionally well after the Clara's arc.

Obviously S11-13 did still happen, there are acknowledged. But in terms of the Doctor's character arc, going Tennant -> Smith -> Capaldi -> Tennant II works surprisingly well.

Plus we have these shots, and I'm sure these are not a coincidence:

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