Discussion Do you believe that a stronger hardware option would slow down the aggressive Nintendo emulation scene?

[Deleted member 2349]

The preservation of games that otherwise would be unavailable is a great thing, i'm not arguing that.
What i am arguing is as i gave an example people pirating xenoblade3 before the game is released, this has nothing to do with preservation and is just stealing.
Your point about how a multi-million dollar corporation shouldn't be the authority on the dissemination of art is a bit disingenious as they are the artists of said art, the people working under them creating that "art" are doing it name of these companies.
I find it a bit odd to say they can't decide when and how this happens.

you're right, I should have said "the only authority"; obviously artists should have a say over what happens with the stuff they make, but the corporate structure we have in place hands that power over to a separate marketing arm that places profit over all with predictable results. emulation offers an alternative to that paradigm

I think what "otherwise would be unavailable" depends largely upon individual material circumstances, and that disparity creates the conditions for emulation circles to exist/thrive

 

[Phosphorescent Skeleton]

Yeah i really don't have a comeback for that one, congratulations sir!

lmafo

 

[thoughthaver]

Pointing it out is fine but pointing it out in EVERY SINGLE emulation thread since 1998 is tiring. It is a concern trolling and a way to derail threads about emulation. It's why forums have a ban for this kind of stuff in the first place. Fanboys need to come to grips with the reality that emulation will always exist and it is not piracy, so stop derailing discussion about emulation with this nonsense. Nothing you say will change this. Emulators will always continue to be developed regardless of hardware or how new it is. It's just the way these things work. If someone is interested it is going to happen.

Furthermore, the same people who cry about Emulation are the same people who don't seem to bat an eye that there are millions of easily moddable Switch systems out there that are so easy to jailbreak and play every single Switch game for free on. No, it's never that, but it's always an issue with emulation for some reason. If you are TRULY that concerned about piracy like you claim to be then you better start ordering up old models of Switch systems and destroying them to stop people from illegally playing the software. Because that is doing far more damage to Nintendo currently that the presence of an emulator. And it always has.

I remember back when Dolphin started hitting the scene and even going into the 2010s when Wii and Gamecube games started becoming functional on it, very few PC's could run the games without performance issues, and even now in 2022 you can still experience some graphical problems on it. But that didn't stop trolls from flooding every emulation thread going on and on about pirates. Even though every single Wii system was easy as piss to homebrew by that point and one could load up every GC, Wii, and VC game on an external hard drive on the Wii with homebrew software. DS was flooded with R4 cards, yet hardly anyone was on a crusade to stop those.

Again if you are worried about piracy then you are barking at the wrong tree.

It's why I have very little sympathy for people crying about emulation and it supposedly being piracy. Most making this argument are extremely misinformed and or are doing it in really bad faith. I've seen these same "concerns" brought up for decades now.

im actually buying up every old switch and destroying it as we speak thank you for the suggestion

emulation projects and ROM dumps are 100% essential to game preservation. game companies do not care about preservation, they care about profit margins, and as such it's up to fans to do that work

most companies don't but nintendo is pretty good about preserving their games. like they did release an unreleased game whereas other companies would have probably lost all the files to it. it seems that people have this definition that preservation means that i get to download it and play it. which yeah that's a way to preserve games but just downloading roms isnt doing preservation work. digital preservation in general is way more rigorous than that.

 

[Reinhard Schneider]

It's not a broad generalization when it's the same song and dance being played in nearly every emulation thread since emulation became a thing.

You're saying that people "telling" about emulation being piracy aren't concerned about the first Switch version being easily moddeable.

That's not how It works

 

[Deleted member 2349]

most companies don't but nintendo is pretty good about preserving their games. like they did release an unreleased game whereas other companies would have probably lost all the files to it

I feel like their consistent efforts to stamp out ROM sites and fan projects and such outweigh decisions like putting that NES fire emblem up for purchase for a limited time

it seems that people have this definition that preservation means that i get to download it and play it. which yeah that's a way to preserve games but just downloading roms isnt doing preservation work. digital preservation in general is way more rigorous than that.

I agree with you, but fans are largely the ones doing the work and they don't have access to those materials. it's nice that nintendo is better about keeping that stuff, but it's all in a vault

 

[Dardan Sandiego]

Nintendo’s understanding of "preservation":

 

[Tentacle-tropes]

I feel like their consistent efforts to stamp out ROM sites and fan projects and such outweigh decisions like putting that NES fire emblem up for purchase for a limited time

I agree with you, but fans are largely the ones doing the work and they don't have access to those materials. it's nice that nintendo is better about keeping that stuff, but it's all in a vault

They absolutely preserve their stuff. As we have seen with SE & Mana. Whether they actually see the light of day is another question entirely. But as the gif above implies they do preserve their history.

 

[Spork4000]

I think it being designed from the ground up for a Nintendo console with less hardware exploits will be a bigger factor than power.

…..power will be a factor though, so I voted yes.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Pointing it out is fine but pointing it out in EVERY SINGLE emulation thread since 1998 is tiring.

If the thread was just "Isn't emulation dope?" it might be a derail, but it seems extremely relevant to this topic about reasons why people are using emulators for new releases.

Furthermore, the same people who cry about Emulation are the same people who don't seem to bat an eye that there are millions of easily moddable Switch systems out there that are so easy to jailbreak and play every single Switch game for free on. No, it's never that, but it's always an issue with emulation for some reason.

There are positions between "acknowledging something happens" and "being militantly opposed to it".

 

[VDenter]

You're saying that people "telling" about emulation being piracy aren't concerned about the first Switch version being easily moddeable.

That's not how It works

Honestly, I absolutely think that the vast amount of people who are derailing emulation threads with piracy concerns, don't really care about piracy nearly as much as they claim. If they really cared, you would see far more discussion about piracy and easy ways to do piracy on original hardware instead of constant emulation derailment attempts.

I think It's more of a fanboy thing for most of them, it's far closer to something like not wanting these games to be playable on non-Nintendo systems than it is about piracy. Like a "How dare you to steal our exclusive from US loyal Nintendo fans!, this is ONLY allowed to be played on hardware that Nintendo designed them for!"

It's the same way how Playstation fans were in denial that PS exclusives were ported to PC. Acting like it was a sin to play them on anything other than a PS platform. lol, Bet if you asked most Nintendo fans, they would be against the idea of Nintendo games ever being ported to PC.

It's why I'm gonna go back to my original point and say that corporate cheerleading is and always will be, the most cringe thing on the planet.

 

[Look over there]

You probably could've worded things better than in a way that gave a whiff of 'stuck your head in the sand about why a noticeable majority of users are interested in this for X reason'.
There are all sorts of reasons and motivations for interest in emulation. Some find the technical aspects cool. Some are sincerely interested in game preservation. Some buy the official releases then want to play with a better experience. But come on man, don't pretend that the bulk of the userbase at large aren't in it for the free shit. It's been the case for at least 25 years, and people as a whole don't change in that time span.

 

[Deleted member 3315]

Eh, the only thing that will stop Nintendo emulation is native PC ports IMO. I think it's as good a time as any considering that MS and SIE are going there.

 

[kaya bunji]

Enthusiasts will always want to play games in the highest fidelity and performance possible, so whatever gives them that experience will always be king.

The Switch is still a 1080p non-HDR device, so it really can't compete with high-end PC emulation.

Not sure a 4K DLSS HDR Switch will either to be honest, but it would sure make a big difference for console gamers.

 

[thoughthaver]

I think It's more of a fanboy thing for most of them, it's far closer to something like not wanting these games to be playable on non-Nintendo systems than it is about piracy. Like a "How dare you to steal our exclusive from US loyal Nintendo fans!, this is ONLY allowed to be played on hardware that Nintendo designed them for!"

 

[Waluigi]

Probably not. I have a high end PC, and I'm not really happy with the Switch's capabilities, but I still play Switch games on Switch. I'd love to play these games at much higher settings but it feels like a tainted experience to me. I'd rather keep it official.

I'm assuming those emulating games either can't afford a Switch, don't care about playing on official hardware, or like to play with mods so they will likely still emulate. Those who care about the best experience are probably also particular enough to care about playing on official hardware, even with worse performance. Unless that's just me. Also, online multiplayer for supported games.

 

[Raccoon]

I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that I will always have an instinct that integrated appliance software is meant to be played on said appliance. Unlike other fanboys, however, I generally try to keep that shit to myself.

In any case, appliances need to die. An open operating system and user platform for which companies can create software or hardware is the sustainable way of the future. In other words, PC gaming needs to take over (but specifically GNU/Linux okay thanks bye)