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TV Better Call Saul Season 6 starting 04/18

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Great episode the noise thing still bugs me though
Turning the tv up really loud is a bad idea if you want to keep people away but I guess if you can’t hear a gunshot you’re not gonna hear the tv either
 
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The way this show weaves together the pulpy and the sombre, the intimate and the bombastic, easily jumping between extremely comedic to downright bleak is just a masterclass in writing and direction. [S06E08 spoilers]Very little actually happens in this episode and we can mostly guess its outcome based on everything that's been setup beforehand and what we know of Breaking Bad. Yet somehow it doesn't lose any of the intrigue or suspense when you see it unravel before your eyes. And once all is done you're left with the aftermath of what has happened, the characters forever changed by the consequences of what they unwittingly set into motion. An absolute gut punch in the best way possible.

That they show some of the funniest stuff ever in one episode and then have an entire episode of this speaks to the confidence they have in the writers, directors, actors, the entire crew and even the audience. It's just a very earnestly told story with realistic characters that never forgets the human element in all of this. It doesn't rely on cheap shock value, fandom pandering or mystery for the sake of myster to fill out the minutes. It's really something I miss from a lot of media. And to do this in a prequel without falling into the usual pitfalls is nothing short of amazing. As a big fan of Breaking Bad I was rather skeptical of it at first. But BCS has surpassed that show several seasons ago. Some of the best TV out there and easily my favourite show airing right now. If they stick the landing it's going to be one for the ages.
 
I just find it incredible how they created two amazing characters (Nacho and Lalo) from what basically amounted to a throwaway line in Breaking Bad. Really going to miss this show once it's over.
 

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There's a lot of people (including reviewers and Peter Gould) really hyping up this episode and telling people to stay off of Twitter. Now I'm scared.
 

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Another Monday, another banger.
What an emotionally draining episode that was. Mike giving Nacho's father closure, Jimmy and Kim sticking to their lie at all costs (even straight to the face of Howard's grieving wife), hearing about HHM downsizing, Jimmy and Kim's devastating split, and the depressing realization that we've finally arrived in the Breaking Bad timeline, with Saul having fully settled into, and embraced his routine / lifestyle.
Surely has to be one of the best final seasons of any show.

EDIT: This scene from Breaking Bad hits different, after tonight's episode. Watch it, and you'll see what I mean.
 
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This episode was so heartbreaking.

Out of the 4 remaining episodes, I expect the next 2 to be during the Breaking Bad era, and the final 2 to be during the Gene era.
It is hard to predict where Jimmy will end. Though I'm fairly certain death isn't what awaits him at the end of the show... He isn't a villain like Walt was (and even as awful as that fucker was, he still got to die as a some kind of hero, he got his redemption...), and Better Call Saul made it clear that Jimmy never was a bad person.
But it also feels like him finally getting to be at peace and maybe even reconnect with Kim is asking for too much after his actions leading to the death of Chuck and Howard. (Though, once again, none of that would have probably happened if Chuck trusted Jimmy in the first place and made him join his company as a lawyer instead of pushing him away...)

Anyway, I mostly wonder what will happen to Kim. I never expected her to die (I really liked the theory that she was behind Ice Station Zebra Associates, but oh well), but I have no clue where they'll go with her character in the Gene timeline, she has to be part of the final.
 

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Fantastic episode, honestly my favorite of the season.

The pan when Kim was telling Howard's wife "you knew him best" and the look on Jimmy's face in absolute horror was amazing. It wasn't just that they both kept up the lie in that entire scene, I love how they captured the fact that even Jimmy struggled with putting on a front but Kim was TOO good at it. This of course was just hiding the fact that all of the guilt was bubbling up under Kim and she ultimately knew what she would have to do (quit being a lawyer and leave Jimmy) but Jimmy was still under the impression they could get past it and forget. It amazes me how often this show is able to portray dynamic characters and emotions with such ease, so much complexity in a single scene.

Lastly, I have to say the birth of Saul is even more depressing than I imagined. The idea that "Better Call Saul" isn't just a catchphrase for new clients but for Jimmy himself rang completely true. Each time Jimmy has had a person he truly loved he loses them, and ultimately it made him call for Saul. He hides behind the mask and buries the pain so deep he can't for a single second stop being Saul. It hurts a lot to see someone that is seeking some form of validation or support just consistently be neglected over and over again, you end up having to rely on yourself and that is in essence what Saul is. You call him when there is no one else, he gets you out of any trouble you might be in, and don't forget it's all gonna be good man.
 

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I was expecting to see some stuff later in the timeline, but I wasn't expecting 4 full episodes of it so that's pretty exciting.

Mostly non-serious prediction: It'll be like BSG's The Plan, but now we get to see Breaking Bad with Kim Wexler pulling all the strings.
 
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"A new player enters the game", bruh not the one we were expecting lmao. They really trolled us with that episode's description.
That was great, masterfully directed, shot and edited as always (the con montage ! Always a good time).

And once again we're left asking... Where the hell do we go from here ??
Is Jeff done for good with Saul ? Gene doesn't take the suit at the end, but does left the tie on it, as if he left that possibility open... Oh well, we all know he's going to go back full into it, like the security guard who got tempted for just one cinnabon and ends up eating it every week with Gene lol.

Still no clue how Kim will come back into play.
 

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Breaking bad always surprised me with its timeline, same with this show now since it’s only a few months after breaking bad ends I think
Also this episode really made me want a cinnabon
 

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Breaking bad always surprised me with its timeline, same with this show now since it’s only a few months after breaking bad ends I think
If this page is accurate, the end of Breaking Bad and El Camino is September 2010, while Nippy is October 2010.

I'd also forgotten the detail of how in that season 4 scene of Saul getting ready to get out of town, he tells Francesca to expect a call on November 12. That would both be shortly after Nippy and Jimmy's 50th birthday, so seems like something that will be important.
 
Thought this episode was fantastic. Really thought they did a great job
with the transitions between the Gene period and Breaking Bad, showing a lot of thematic similarities between the two eras. I mean Gene practically even has the Walt look going on at this point. Just wonderful use of callbacks, and it was cool getting some added context to BB scenes involving Saul. Crazy how two guys with cancer are possibly going to ruin both of Saul's lives...
 

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Fuck Saul/Gene so hard.

Ignoring Kim during the meeting, blowing up on her during the call, attempting to use an urn to hit someone he's robbing, and threatening to strangle Marion. I'm glad Jimmy finally came out to play again because oooof.
 

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As the show heads into its final episode I am honestly depressed. Jimmy's story is nothing short of a tragedy.

To the "Chuck was right" crowd (no one on here is saying it but I have seen it elsewhere multiple times). No he wasn't. You completely missed the point of this entire show.

Jimmy always had a bad tendency to be "Slippin Jimmy" but it wasn't just from pure enjoyment out of scheming (as it was for Kim), or just to get ahead of others. It was also a cry for attention. Gould stated as much when he said Jimmy "just wants to be loved."

Jimmy's constant spirals into becoming more and more of the Saul we see in BB and eventually fully becoming him after he loses all love in his life is the main tragedy of the show. The birth of Saul is a tragedy in and of itself. Jimmy loved his parents tremendously despite what Chuck said he did to them (robbing them blind), Jimmy loved his brother despite all the things he did to him, and Jimmy loved Kim who was the last remaining person in his life he gave a damn about before he completely turned into Saul.

Jimmy did cut corners to his benefit as a lawyer, but as we see this even stems from Jimmy unnecessarily believing he had to do anything to be a winner that "takes it all." When in reality Chuck worked against Jimmy his entire professional career and prevented him from ascertaining any kind of success because he wanted to keep Jimmy in a little box.*

That little box is what eventually formed Jimmy's world view. If you did anything bad in your life the whole world will see you that way and nothing you can do will change it. You're marked for life. In reality only an empathetically devoid asshole like Chuck could do that, and unfortunately for Jimmy that was his older brother. One of the few people he truly loved and cared for. The way I see it is that someone like Jimmy just needed love and support to fight his habits and addictions, but he instead got his own blood telling him what an abject failure he was and always will be.

I need to say all of this also involves Jimmy choosing to commit crimes. Jimmy is not a saint by any sense of the word, or even someone who was forced into becoming the person he is. He chose his life, but it was a 50/50 split in my eyes. There is a reason the show goes out of its way to show you multiple times he has a strong sense of empathy. Something Chuck lacked. You can see how it was two things working in tandem that led to this point. A person who is already susceptible to making poor choices out of desire to scheme (one who falls deeper into those desires when he is alone) and loved ones either dying or leaving him.

This shit is a tragedy, and I can't help but agonize next week's episode because a part of me still believes in Jimmy's humanity and hopes that despite everything he gets some form of redemption (even though I think the last 2 episodes have really tried to remind us who he was in BB, and that he somehow isn't "redeemable").

*I know the winner takes all scene comes after Jimmy finds out about Chuck preventing him from working at HHM, but it gives insight into how Jimmy must have felt ever since he became a lawyer
 
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Man, what is with this episode's Miracle Whip slander. Of course you use it for making things, it's got a tangy zip!
Fuck Saul/Gene so hard.

Ignoring Kim during the meeting, blowing up on her during the call, attempting to use an urn to hit someone he's robbing, and threatening to strangle Marion. I'm glad Jimmy finally came out to play again because oooof.
That first one I'd let pass. She left him, he's just trying to rip the bandaid off. He already tried being honest and emotional.
 

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As the show heads into its final episode I am honestly depressed. Jimmy's story is nothing short of a tragedy.

To the "Chuck was right" crowd (no one on here is saying it but I have seen it elsewhere multiple times). No he wasn't. You completely missed the point of this entire show.

Jimmy always had a bad tendency to be "Slippin Jimmy" but it wasn't just from pure enjoyment out of scheming (as it was for Kim), or just to get ahead of others. It was also a cry for attention. Gould stated as much when he said Jimmy "just wants to be loved."

Jimmy's constant spirals into becoming more and more of the Saul we see in BB and eventually fully becoming him after he loses all love in his life is the main tragedy of the show. The birth of Saul is a tragedy in and of itself. Jimmy loved his parents tremendously despite what Chuck said he did to them (robbing them blind), Jimmy loved his brother despite all the things he did to him, and Jimmy loved Kim who was the last remaining person in his life he gave a damn about before he completely turned into Saul.

Jimmy did cut corners to his benefit as a lawyer, but as we see this even stems from Jimmy unnecessarily believing he had to do anything to be a winner that "takes it all." When in reality Chuck worked against Jimmy his entire professional career and prevented him from ascertaining any kind of success because he wanted to keep Jimmy in a little box.*

That little box is what eventually formed Jimmy's world view. If you did anything bad in your life the whole world will see you that way and nothing you can do will change it. You're marked for life. In reality only an empathetically devoid asshole like Chuck could do that, and unfortunately for Jimmy that was his older brother. One of the few people he truly loved and cared for. The way I see it is that someone like Jimmy just needed love and support to fight his habits and addictions, but he instead got his own blood telling him what an abject failure he was and always will be.

I need to say all of this also involves Jimmy choosing to commit crimes. Jimmy is not a saint by any sense of the word, or even someone who was forced into becoming the person he is. He chose his life, but it was a 50/50 split in my eyes. There is a reason the show goes out of its way to show you multiple times he has a strong sense of empathy. Something Chuck lacked. You can see how it was two things working in tandem that led to this point. A person who is already susceptible to making poor choices out of desire to scheme (one who falls deeper into those desires when he is alone) and loved ones either dying or leaving him.

This shit is a tragedy, and I can't help but agonize next week's episode because a part of me still believes in Jimmy's humanity and hopes that despite everything he gets some form of redemption (even though I think the last 2 episodes have really tried to remind us who he was in BB, and that he somehow isn't "redeemable").

*I know the winner takes all scene comes after Jimmy finds out about Chuck preventing him from working at HHM, but it gives insight into how Jimmy must have felt ever since he became a lawyer
Thanks! I have a friend who says “Chuck was right” every once in awhile. I’ll just send him this!

If Chuck wasn’t such a sanctimonious prick, most of this show would unfold much more positively.
 

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Man, what is with this episode's Miracle Whip slander. Of course you use it for making things, it's got a tangy zip!

That first one I'd let pass. She left him, he's just trying to rip the bandaid off. He already tried being honest and emotional.
That's still no excuse to be a petty piece of shit. She was just being nice.
 

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You haven't seen Breaking Bad, then? This is your first foray into this universe?
Yup I think I know the ending of Breaking Bad lol or at least part of it. And the memes of course. Other than that 0 knowledge of the shows really, other than I guess the premise of Breaking Bad as well. I was told it's ok to jump into Saul and I was more interested in that.
 

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That's still no excuse to be a petty piece of shit. She was just being nice.
I think "being cold to the person ripping your heart out" is on a much lower level than "smashing a robbery victim over the head with the remains of his dog".
 
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As the show heads into its final episode I am honestly depressed. Jimmy's story is nothing short of a tragedy.

To the "Chuck was right" crowd (no one on here is saying it but I have seen it elsewhere multiple times). No he wasn't. You completely missed the point of this entire show.

Jimmy always had a bad tendency to be "Slippin Jimmy" but it wasn't just from pure enjoyment out of scheming (as it was for Kim), or just to get ahead of others. It was also a cry for attention. Gould stated as much when he said Jimmy "just wants to be loved."

Jimmy's constant spirals into becoming more and more of the Saul we see in BB and eventually fully becoming him after he loses all love in his life is the main tragedy of the show. The birth of Saul is a tragedy in and of itself. Jimmy loved his parents tremendously despite what Chuck said he did to them (robbing them blind), Jimmy loved his brother despite all the things he did to him, and Jimmy loved Kim who was the last remaining person in his life he gave a damn about before he completely turned into Saul.

Jimmy did cut corners to his benefit as a lawyer, but as we see this even stems from Jimmy unnecessarily believing he had to do anything to be a winner that "takes it all." When in reality Chuck worked against Jimmy his entire professional career and prevented him from ascertaining any kind of success because he wanted to keep Jimmy in a little box.*

That little box is what eventually formed Jimmy's world view. If you did anything bad in your life the whole world will see you that way and nothing you can do will change it. You're marked for life. In reality only an empathetically devoid asshole like Chuck could do that, and unfortunately for Jimmy that was his older brother. One of the few people he truly loved and cared for. The way I see it is that someone like Jimmy just needed love and support to fight his habits and addictions, but he instead got his own blood telling him what an abject failure he was and always will be.

I need to say all of this also involves Jimmy choosing to commit crimes. Jimmy is not a saint by any sense of the word, or even someone who was forced into becoming the person he is. He chose his life, but it was a 50/50 split in my eyes. There is a reason the show goes out of its way to show you multiple times he has a strong sense of empathy. Something Chuck lacked. You can see how it was two things working in tandem that led to this point. A person who is already susceptible to making poor choices out of desire to scheme (one who falls deeper into those desires when he is alone) and loved ones either dying or leaving him.

This shit is a tragedy, and I can't help but agonize next week's episode because a part of me still believes in Jimmy's humanity and hopes that despite everything he gets some form of redemption (even though I think the last 2 episodes have really tried to remind us who he was in BB, and that he somehow isn't "redeemable").

*I know the winner takes all scene comes after Jimmy finds out about Chuck preventing him from working at HHM, but it gives insight into how Jimmy must have felt ever since he became a lawyer
Exactly, it's the antithesis of Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad was about how a loser in lack of power and domination finally has an excuse to be the piece of shit he has always been. (And most of the time pathetically fails at what he does, just overshadowed by how the few wins he gets go so fucking hard)

Better Call Saul isn't about a man who is at heart a piece of shit, and who slowly reveals that side of him. There's a reason why he becomes "Saul Goodman" and doesn't keep his real name, he straight up creates a whole another persona, it's not him.

The show's about how two good, talented outsiders (Jimmy and Kim) try to earn their place in the upper class world, but can't by respectable means because the people who represent power (Chuck toward Jimmy and Howard toward Kim) don't let them, because they're outsiders.

They're jealous of them (for Chuck, it all starts with Jimmy being the favorite son. Remember that Jimmy will never know that, while diying, his mom was looking for Jimmy, she wanted to see him in her last breath... Chuck never told Jimmy, by pure jealousy.) they fear them (because they're insanely talented despite their "low-class origin" in the company, having started at the mail department, Jimmy getting his law degree to a "lesser" law school...) they constantly try to belittle them, sometimes acting as if that was to make them better (thinking about that time Howard punished and humiliated Kim by sending her doing paper work everyday, for instance, supposedly to teach her a lesson). It's about capitalism, about power, about inequality, about classes...

And that last episode was to me the most tragic one because that world of power, of classes, has turned Jimmy, that man who actually deeply cared about those old people he represented, into a man who goes as far as menacing a poor old lady at her home.
It's not about Chuck being right. It's about Chuck turning him into the monster he wanted him to be. Some could even think that Chuck went as far as killing himself to permanently change the direction of Jimmy's life lol. He couldn't accept that Jimmy won against him. Jimmy wanted to be loved, all he got was a world of egocentrism and jealousy.


Of course it's a very well written character-driven show, so each character is really complex. They make you hate Chuck for 4 seasons straight and then hit you with that "The winner takes it all" flashback at the end, finally showing you a pure moment of complicity between the two brothers... They especially worked toward humanizing more and more Howard too in the later seasons once Kim left HHM, but it's hard for me to see past all the shit Howard did (even if to be fair Howard was first supposed to be a total piece of shit and Chuck a lovable brother, until they decided to make Chuck the one who conspired against Jimmy, so it doesn't help). Even in the final season, it's obvious Howard doesn't really care about the old people and just want to get as much money as they can from Sandpiper, he knows damn well that those old people don't have much time left and won't get to enjoy their compensation. Howard still didn't deserve to get his fate ofc. But I wouldn't say that he didn't deserve the shit that Jimmy and Kim were pulling against him lmao. (Not to mention that it was hilarious, god it feels like forever ago now that the show is fucking depressing lmao, it was only like two months ago !)
 

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We've now seen what the phone conversation was that led to Gene beating up the booth, but before that I had two guesses, both wrong.

Seemed likely: "Kim can't come to the phone right now, she's off on her honeymoon."

Seemed unlikely: "Kim can't come to the phone right now, she's too busy celebrating ripping off THREE guys with cancer."
 
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Just caught up, and although I've enjoyed the show overall, especially this last season as the endgame ramps up, overall I've come to the conclusion that I just don't really care for prequels. Seeing where characters were is far less interesting than where they end up, and I don't think the other thematic elements really make up for that. I was never particularly interested in watching a show about how the crooked lawyer from Breaking Bad turned out that way, and overall that hasn't really changed for me.

That's actually what I like about these last few episodes, because finally we're past the past and now gonna see how it goes down for Saul. Unlike Breaking Bad, I can't reasonably predict how it's gonna end, so I'm very curious. But overall, this isn't a show I'm gonna think about much when it's all said and done. It's obviously a well made show with a lot of thought put into it, but I think it got bogged down by prequelitis and a need to tie everything back to Breaking Bad.
 

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It's getting too real y'all. This has been my favorite show for the past 7 years, I don't wanna see Jimmy dead, but also don't want his end to be life in prison 😭

I wonder if the diamonds are finally going to come into play the last episode
 

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It's getting too real y'all. This has been my favorite show for the past 7 years, I don't wanna see Jimmy dead, but also don't want his end to be life in prison 😭

I wonder if the diamonds are finally going to come into play the last episode
I would put my money on both him and Kim going to prison.

But maybe that’s too obvious.
 
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If I've never seen Breaking Bad, should I watch this? If I watch both, does it matter which I start with? Sorry if this is an annoying question that comes up too often.
 

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If I've never seen Breaking Bad, should I watch this? If I watch both, does it matter which I start with? Sorry if this is an annoying question that comes up too often.
Personally I'd watch Breaking Bad before this. It's not that you need to watch it for the story in BSC to make sense, but BCS is definitely set up to work a lot better if you have the foreknowledge of who (most of) these characters are and why/what they do. It also outright spoils tons of plot points from Breaking Bad (from the very scene it flashes forward to after that show's events), which hurts Breaking Bad more as more of that show's focus is on plot-related drama than the more character-driven BCS. BCS is generally hurt a lot less by knowing which characters are going to survive than Breaking Bad, where a significant amount of the tension is focused on life-or-death stakes.

Also, Better Call Saul does very little work to make its returning characters look their proper age, and it relies on fan's foreknowledge of those characters to let that slide. If you watch BCS first you might think that these characters, whose actors are often decades-removed from their in-show ages, are significantly older than they're actually supposed to be.
 
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So bold to have Saul
get caught in like the first five minutes
. Wonderful finale to an amazing show. What a ride this universe has been. Sad that it's over now.
 
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Beautiful ending... Somehow similar to what I imagined, but much more happier.

Feels good to finally see Jimmy at peace, finally grieving Chuck's and Howard's death... You could feel he was happy.
That ending is filled with warm nostalgia. Remembering the good old days of Jimmy and Kim... Somehow, despite all the shitty Saul days, I can't help but think that Jimmy has lead a fun, passionate life. My man got his redemption.
 

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One of the best shows ever made. Stuck the landing beautifully.

LTTP with this thread, but this is the first show where I watched every episode live as it aired. Super bittersweet. I'm on board for whatever Peter, Vince, Thomas, and the rest of this incredible team does next, together or apart.
 

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