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News Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key announced, coming February 24th, 2023 for Nintendo Switch, Playstation and Steam

BlueKing

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Looking good!

Slightly concerned by the trailer saying there were 11 characters that could join your team, thats a lot of S-rank weapons and armor to make!
 
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SammyJ9

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Question as someone who's only played about half of Ryza 1: Is the battle system the same in 2? That was the thing I was most iffy about in the game, I didn't like the real-time elements of it too much. Seemed like it should've just been turn-based.
 

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Question as someone who's only played about half of Ryza 1: Is the battle system the same in 2? That was the thing I was most iffy about in the game, I didn't like the real-time elements of it too much. Seemed like it should've just been turn-based.
Still real time, but a little more involved.
 

Aostia82

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great, my favourite sub-saga
Can't wait to see how the exploration and the combat have been improved over the (already pretty good) second episode)
 
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BlueKing

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Question as someone who's only played about half of Ryza 1: Is the battle system the same in 2? That was the thing I was most iffy about in the game, I didn't like the real-time elements of it too much. Seemed like it should've just been turn-based.
I found the battle system in 2 to be more fun than the system in 1, however the battle system is supposed to encourage you to create new and more powerful weapons and items. Creating and refining better and higher quality items is the key to battling.
 

SammyJ9

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I found the battle system in 2 to be more fun than the system in 1, however the battle system is supposed to encourage you to create new and more powerful weapons and items. Creating and refining better and higher quality items is the key to battling.
Oh that part was fine! I just remember finding the real time elements, and some of the timing of commands and when to do things, to be kind of clunky. But that's just from memory and it's been years since I played it, so I could be misremembering
 

BlueKing

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This looked neat, for fans, could I start here?
Probably yes, Koei have refined the Atelier formula with each Ryza game, so I have no doubt that Ryza 3 will be the most newcomer friendly, as Ryza 2 was more accessible than Ryza 1, and Ryza 1 was probably the most newcomer friendly Atelier game in the whole series up to that point.

Of course you won't know the backstory of the characters or what has happened, but they aren't really the kind of games that you need to know about that, they are about kids growing up and finding their way in the world.
 
Probably yes, Koei have refined the Atelier formula with each Ryza game, so I have no doubt that Ryza 3 will be the most newcomer friendly, as Ryza 2 was more accessible than Ryza 1, and Ryza 1 was probably the most newcomer friendly Atelier game in the whole series up to that point.

Of course you won't know the backstory of the characters or what has happened, but they aren't really the kind of games that you need to know about that, they are about kids growing up and finding their way in the world.

Ahh that sounds great . This really might be my first foray.
 

BlueKing

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Oh that part was fine! I just remember finding the real time elements, and some of the timing of commands and when to do things, to be kind of clunky. But that's just from memory and it's been years since I played it, so I could be misremembering
Hmmmm, I don't want to bulldoze over what you say and say you are wrong etc, but if I did have something to say about the battle system in 1, its that you kind of need to see it as a rhythm game, that is to say you need to understand and realise the rhythm of the battle and what is about to happen, and once it finally "clicks" with you, the battles go much smoother and easier.

Also, whilst it would be easier if the battles were turn based, it would also take out a lot of the challenge, and to be honest would make the battles much more boring.

Besides, once you have the right weapons and items, battles are over pretty much instantly.
 

ermitron2

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This looked neat, for fans, could I start here?
Yeah, KT usually make so all the games are standalone. Granted this one you follow the original party members for all the 3 games so sarting with 3 you may loose some context on their relations, but it's nothing that complex and they sometimes add like short versions of what happened in the past
 

SammyJ9

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Hmmmm, I don't want to bulldoze over what you say and say you are wrong etc, but if I did have something to say about the battle system in 1, its that you kind of need to see it as a rhythm game, that is to say you need to understand and realise the rhythm of the battle and what is about to happen, and once it finally "clicks" with you, the battles go much smoother and easier.

Also, whilst it would be easier if the battles were turn based, it would also take out a lot of the challenge, and to be honest would make the battles much more boring.

Besides, once you have the right weapons and items, battles are over pretty much instantly.
I might have to give it another shot at some point, I did mostly enjoy what I played of it. I just don't think I ever entirely grasped the combat, maybe. Or at least it didn't quite click with me. Might jump back in down the line! But there are so many other JRPGs to play, might be pretty far down the line, lol.
 

Clix

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I need to get back to the first game. Played about 10 hours of it and really dug it but then new games came out and the usual happens lol
 

ermitron2

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Theres a 7 minute explaining new things in Ryza 3. Also they mention the Ryza series has shipped 1.3 million copies now, making the most popular series now (Sophie had the record before)

 

BlueKing

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I'm looking forward to Ryza 3, won't watch any more trailers or the like, as they always show way too much.

Saying that though, unless I can get the physical version for something like $40, I am just going to be patient and wait for one of the regular Atelier eshop sales.
 
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ermitron2

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Was about to post the video and as usual, the switch version is looking great , remember this when they tell you open world don't perform well on switch.



Also patty is back!
 
It literally does lol, the footage in my previous post was from the switch version. As usual grass, and shadows take some hits but it keeps the Gust quality
Yeah, I still don't get how two games made in a similar timeframe can be so different in terms of polish.

Game Freak's incompetence strikes again.
 
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ermitron2

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Yeah, I still don't get how two games made in a similar timeframe can be so different in terms of polish.

Game Freak's incompetence strikes again.
While that's a part, it's also important to recognize that Gust definitely took it time to understood the hardware and do a lot of optimization, that not even other games from KT have. They really love it and it shows as each new Atelier release has ben closing the gap between the switch and Ps4 version in first week sales. I'm guessing their base development is made on switch
 
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Aostia82

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Atelier Switch games improved quality wise one game after the other
It doesn't surprise me (considering how close KT and IS have been) that Gust was chosen to manage the graphical department of Engage
 
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