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From someone who started learning Chinese first, I like kanji.Fuck kanji
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From someone who started learning Chinese first, I like kanji.Fuck kanji
I wish I had the head start you did, like a lot of the Chinese students in my Japanese classes. And I don’t mind them too much, but it’s more the hassle of looking up a definition. Like even to find the meaning of a kanji, I have to have some browser extension or manually draw it into Google translate every time.From someone who started learning Chinese first, I like kanji.
Months later, and I still haven't done any studying or preparing like I said I was planning to lol. I really need to get into it again.I was self studying Japanese for a few months some years ago. I didn't last long, but I'm planning to hop back in and start over.
Some things I have done:
Bought the Genki and Japanese for busy people books
Installed Anki on pc and laptop with some kanji decks
Subscribed to Japanese ammo Misa and learn Japanese channels on YouTube (I'll look up the exact channel names later)
I'm also planning to buy some Japanese magazines and newspapers, videogames and manga that contain kanji with furigana. Basically I want to improve my reading and listening skills. I've read that it's a good idea to tackle kanji as early as possible and to try to read magazines and newspapers to get used to them.
I know that writing is also an important thing, because of stuff like stroke order and number of strokes etc. But personally I'm not seeing myself needing to write in Japanese, though i might try that later on.
Anki is great for daily practicing with kanji, and the deck I'm using has natives pronouncing them. Genki will help with grammar, verbs, particles and stuff. Youtube is for listening skills, though Genki also has audio exercises.
Something you may or may not already be aware of, but you can integrate Yomichan (a browser extension that translates Japanese on the fly) and Anki together to create new cards in Anki on the fly by simply highlighting a word in Japanese and clicking a button. I haven't used it much myself because I set it up very recently as I'm preparing to take my first steps into the world of Japanese audio + Japanese subtitles, but it seems incredibly useful. Something I wanted to post in the thread in general, but I see you mention Anki so I thought it'd be helpful. I'll probably be using it a lot in the future myself as I progress with my learning.Months later, and I still haven't done any studying or preparing like I said I was planning to lol. I really need to get into it again.
I'll soon buy a new desk and chair to setup my home office, so hopefully I'll start when that's done.
Something you may or may not already be aware of, but you can integrate Yomichan (a browser extension that translates Japanese on the fly) and Anki together to create new cards in Anki on the fly by simply highlighting a word in Japanese and clicking a button. I haven't used it much myself because I set it up very recently as I'm preparing to take my first steps into the world of Japanese audio + Japanese subtitles, but it seems incredibly useful. Something I wanted to post in the thread in general, but I see you mention Anki so I thought it'd be helpful. I'll probably be using it a lot in the future myself as I progress with my learning.
Yomichan and Mining - Animecards SiteIntroducing Japanese learning methods and tools, in particular those important in regards to using Japanese media to learn the language.animecards.site
I don't have a ton of recommendations for the rest, but Animelon is a good site for watching anime with jp subs (and jp+en subs if you want both at once!) and it has pretty decent rewind options for if you're having trouble with any specific lines.Hey guys, does anyone have any good ideas for early immersion materials for learning Japanese? I'd love ideas for things that are pretty easy to access, if at all possible.
My first attempt has been with Pokemon. I've been playing through Pokemon X in Japanese for a little while now but I just don't really think Pokemon is actually a great introduction to Japanese immersion. To me it feels like there are just way too many Pokemon-specific terms that sort of get in the way of trying to learn Japanese through the game. I'll read a sentence, more or less know what it's saying, but I'll see a word and think "oh I don't know that word let me look it up" and I'll find out it's Pidgey or Rhyhorn or something and it's just pretty disruptive while also not being very helpful imo. I think I'm at an early enough stage where just trying to get the grammar and vocab down is enough of a task that I'm not sure I want the burden of 600+ Pokemon names and a billion Pokemon move names on top of that. I still think these are likely good beginner material, but not necessarily first ever material I guess lol. I'd be grateful for ideas of better beginner suggestions if anybody has any. At this point I think I'm going to put Pokemon X on hold and come back around after I have a few other things under my belt.
I've been checking out NHK Easy a bit too. I don't spend a ton of time here, but I check it out once in a while if I'm just looking for a little bit of practice. It seems like a nice resource just trying to get some practice in.
The elusive piece of immersion material has been anime/television with Japanese audio and Japanese subtitles. I suppose it's time to put in some actual effort in finding this stuff, because they're not easily available outside of Japan at all. It's why I decided to check out video games first, because a ton of games have Japanese subtitles and audio conveniently included outside of Japan.
As far as other Japanese learning progress, I've cleared the first 20 levels of wanikani. Would still highly recommend to basically anybody learning the language. It's really exciting to already be about about a third of the way through this program. For context, I started using wanikani back on March 1st, and I've learned 717 kanji and 2,304 vocabulary words on the site.
I'm also just about finished reading Japanese the Manga Way. I've read through about 30 of 32 chapters. I really enjoyed this book, and unlike Genki I think I'll be happy to keep this book around and reference back to it when I need to refresh myself on grammar concepts. I'm not sure it's a good "first Japanese textbook", and thus I'm still not sure I have an idea of how to start learning outside of Genki 1, but the book teaches its concepts in a way I appreciate a lot more. It was also nice to get practice in with actual panels from manga as examples.
I'm pretty happy with my progress, and I think I've reached the point where learning Japanese is absolutely part of my daily rhythm and I'm not really worried about falling out of it the way I did later last year. It's required me to put a few of my interests on the backburner compared to before, but I'm actually enjoying myself learning and I'm looking forward to the day my learning intersects with my interests and I can do both at the same time.
This looks really great! Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I'll definitely look through this site a bit tomorrow.I don't have a ton of recommendations for the rest, but Animelon is a good site for watching anime with jp subs (and jp+en subs if you want both at once!) and it has pretty decent rewind options for if you're having trouble with any specific lines.
And I don't know how well it works in conjunction with wanikani, but jpdb is a nice tool if you want to build vocab with a specific game/series/book in mind, once you find something you want to dive into!
うおお、日本語に関係ある仕事をしているんですか？So I Had my JLPT N1 ages ago (Back before it was N1)
I have no trouble understanding anything unless it is very slangy / some country accent.
However there is a clear difference in my memory between the 2 languages.
FFXIV has been difficult to play in Japanese, not because I can`t understand what is happening in the moment, but there are so many proper names of organizations / people / etc that are Katakana or extremely long Kanji.
If I don`t actively try to study the game and memorize the names, I have very little recollection of them the next time they are casually mentioned in the game.
Thank you for linking this channel! I just watched a few videos, it was enlightening and I will continue to use it as a resource as I work through Genki. I assume some of her teachings will be at odds with Genki’s but I think it’s okay, they are different enough that they probably each have their own value. Have you read the book she references, Alice in Kanji Land?I refer back to Cure Dolly's YouTube channel, a very very good source for learning Japanese grammar imo
Happy to see you're liking Cure Dolly's vids! I haven't read her books. I had just bought a few other Japanese books at the time of finding her channel so I never pulled the trigger on her books.Thank you for linking this channel! I just watched a few videos, it was enlightening and I will continue to use it as a resource as I work through Genki. I assume some of her teachings will be at odds with Genki’s but I think it’s okay, they are different enough that they probably each have their own value. Have you read the book she references, Alice in Kanji Land?
Hello Gang nice to see everyone in this thread I've been studying pretty hard for the past year because I want to take a graduate position at a certain Japanese gaming company after I finish university, I went from ~N5 to over N2. How does everyone study? I mostly do self study but I do have classes at an online Japanese school to practice my speaking.
Also I'm happy to help anyone if they have questions or anything like that too!
So for learning vocabulary fast, what I used to do when I started learning is have 3 Anki decks: one for word reading (so the front of the card is the Japanese word, and I have to type in the romaji reading), one for translation (front is Japanese, input English translation), and another for reverse (front is English, back is Japanese word). This way you cover everything about a word. Nowadays I only keep the third deck, but it's because I'm focusing on handwriting, so what I do is see an Englihs word and then I write it in my notebook in Japanese and see if I got it right, along with reading.I've been playing the japanese version of Pokemon BW, and it's been a blast. Of course, I've had to rely on a dictionary, a kanji app, and it's taken me 3 hours just to get to Prof. Juniper tour of the Pokemon Center in Accumula Town, but it's worth it.
Any advice on how to learn new vocabulary fast? Also any advice regarding expressions like はっきり、ずっかり、ぶらぶら、しっかり and so on? It seems like onomatopoeias and idiomatic words written in hiragana are so hard to memorize, especially when they are not used often and because they lack a kanji to latch on.
Depends on your definition of fast. WaniKani says it aims to teach you 2k kanji and 6k vocabulary words in 18 months. That's a long time on paper, but in the grand scheme of things it's pretty good. I use that to learn recognition, and then KaniWani to practice recall. WaniKani shows you the Japanese and asks you for meaning and reading, and then KaniWani shows you the English and asks you to enter the Japanese reading in hiragana.Any advice on how to learn new vocabulary fast?