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Sports 2022 Football World Cup (20 November - 18 December)

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It's that time of the year again — although this time around, it starts way later than usual. That's right, the Men's Football World Cup starts this Sunday!

Under different circumstance, this would have been your standard sporting event OP, including tables, fixtures, teams and players to watch out for, the usual. Maybe top it off with a couple of nice pictures showing off the stadiums, or perhaps even the hosting country's landscape.

But circumstances are what they are, due to this year's hosting country being what it is, and thus warrant a different kind of OP altogether. So instead, it highlights the human rights issues in the 2022 Football World Cup's hosting country, Qatar.

At the same time, it should be stressed that this thread is a place to discuss both the sporting event itself, as well as the human rights issues surrounding it.

1. Human rights issues and migrant workers​


Migrant workers have not only built seven stadiums for the World Cup in Qatar, but also the corresponding infrastructure: roads, around 100 hotels, a new airport. 30,000 foreign labourers from Inida, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka alone worked on building the stadiums. 6,500 of them are said to have died in Qatar since work on the World Cup infrastructure had started, with Qatari government claiming that out of those who worked on the stadiums, only 37 of them had an accident, and only three of them were work-related.

Those numbers are deflated, however, because the Qatari government doesn't count deaths from heart attacks and respiratory failure as work-related, even though these are common symptoms of heatstroke, brought on from doing heavy labour in very high temperatures. The International Labour Organisation claims 50 foreign labourers died and more than 500 others were seriously injured in 2021 alone, while another 37,600 suffered mild to moderate injuries.

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On top of that, Amnesty International detailed the following on the grueling labour conditions for migrant workers, who have to pay high recruitment fees, have their salaries delayed, live in appalling conditions, and are not allowed to leave the country or change jobs:

2. Human rights issues and the LGBT community​


To better highlight the systemic and systematic mistreatment of the LGBT community in Qatar, I have decided to copy-paste an article from Human Rights Watch in full, because it speaks for itself and addresses the issue way better than I ever could.

Qatar: Security Forces Arrest, Abuse LGBT People​

Discrimination, Ill-Treatment in Detention, Privacy Violations, Conversion Practices​


(Beirut) – Qatar Preventive Security Department forces have arbitrarily arrested lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people and subjected them to ill-treatment in detention, Human Rights Watch said today. LGBT people interviewed said that their mistreatment took place as recently as September 2022, as Qatar prepared to host the 2022 FIFA Men’s World Cup in November and even as the government came under intense scrutiny for its treatment of LGBT people.

Human Rights Watch documented six cases of severe and repeated beatings and five cases of sexual harassment in police custody between 2019 and 2022. Security forces arrested people in public places based solely on their gender expression and unlawfully searched their phones. As a requirement for their release, security forces mandated that transgender women detainees attend conversion therapy sessions at a government-sponsored “behavioral healthcare” center.

“While Qatar prepares to host the World Cup, security forces are detaining and abusing LGBT people simply for who they are, apparently confident that the security force abuses will go unreported and unchecked,” said Rasha Younes, LGBT rights researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Qatari authorities need to end impunity for violence against LGBT people. The world is watching.”

Human Rights Watch interviewed six LGBT Qataris, including four transgender women, one bisexual woman, and one gay man. Doctor Nasser Mohamed, an openly gay Qatari activist, helped connect Human Rights Watch to five of those interviewed.

All said that Preventive Security Department officers detained them in an underground prison in Al Dafneh, Doha, where they verbally harassed and subjected detainees to physical abuse, ranging from slapping to kicking and punching until they bled. One woman said she lost consciousness. Security officers also inflicted verbal abuse, extracted forced confessions, and denied detainees access to legal counsel, family, and medical care. All six said that police forced them to sign pledges indicating that they would “cease immoral activity.”

All were detained without charge, in one case for two months in solitary confinement, without access to legal counsel. None received any record of having been detained. These acts could constitute arbitrary detention under international human rights law.

The Preventive Security Department is under Qatar’s Interior Ministry.

A transgender Qatari woman said that after security forces arrested her on the street in Doha, Preventive Security officers accused her of “imitating women” because of her gender expression. In the police car, they beat her until her lips and nose were bleeding and kicked her in the stomach, she said. “You gays are immoral, so we will be the same to you,” she said one officer told her.

“I saw many other LGBT people detained there: two Moroccan lesbians, four Filipino gay men, and one Nepalese gay man,” she said. “I was detained for three weeks without charge, and officers repeatedly sexually harassed me. Part of the release requirement was attending sessions with a psychologist who ‘would make me a man again.’”

Another Qatari transgender woman said she was arrested in public by Preventive Security Department forces because she was wearing makeup. “They gave me hand wipes and made me wipe the makeup off my face,” she said. “They used the makeup-stained wipes as evidence against me and took a picture of me with the wipes in my hand. They also shaved my hair.” Security forces made her sign a pledge that she would not wear makeup again as a condition for her release, she said.

A Qatari bisexual woman said: “[Preventive Security officers] beat me until I lost consciousness several times. An officer took me blindfolded by car to another place that felt like a private home from the inside and forced me to watch restrained people getting beaten as an intimidation tactic.”

A Qatari transgender woman, arrested by Preventive Security in public in Doha, said: “They [Preventive Security] are a mafia. They detained me twice, once for two months in a solitary cell underground, and once for six weeks. They beat me every day and shaved my hair. They also made me take off my shirt and took a picture of my breasts. I suffered from depression because of my detention. I still have nightmares to this day, and I’m terrified of being in public.”

In all cases, LGBT detainees said, Preventive Security forces forced them to unlock their phones and took screenshots of private pictures and chats from their devices, as well as contact information of other LGBT people.

A Qatari gay man who has experienced government repression, including arbitrary arrest, said that security forces surveilled and arrested him based on his online activity.

All those interviewed provided strikingly similar accounts. The repressive climate around free expression in Qatar, including around the rights of LGBT people, has made many people who may have experienced mistreatment afraid to be interviewed because of the risk of retaliation, Human Rights Watch said.

Qatar’s Penal Code, under article 285, punishes extramarital sex, including same-sex relations, with up to seven years in prison. None of those interviewed said they faced charges, and it appears their arbitrary arrest and detention is based on Law No 17 of 2002 on Protection of Community, which allows for provisional detention without charge or trial for up to six months, if “there exist well-founded reasons to believe that the defendant may have committed a crime,” including “violating public morality.” Qatari authorities also censor mainstream media reports about sexual orientation and gender identity.

In 2020, Qatar assured prospective visitors that it would welcome LGBT visitors and that fans would be free to fly the rainbow flag at the World Cup football games. Suggestions by officials that Qatar would make an exception to its abusive laws and practices for outsiders are implicit reminders that Qatari authorities do not believe that its LGBT citizens and residents deserve basic rights, Human Rights Watch said.

FIFA, the football governing body, which awarded Qatar the World Cup in 2010, adopted in 2016 the United Nations Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights, which require it to “avoid infringing on the human rights of others and address adverse human rights impacts.” It requires FIFA to take adequate measures for the “prevention, mitigation, and remediation” of human rights impacts.

Qatari security forces should end arrests for adult, consensual sexual relations, including same-sex conduct, or those based on gender expression, and immediately release LGBT people who remain arbitrarily detained, Human Rights Watch said. The Qatari government should put an end to security force ill-treatment against LGBT people, including by halting any government-sponsored programs aimed at conversion practices. Countries sending external security forces to Qatar during the World Cup should ensure they comply with international human rights law and refrain from adding to Qatari security forces’ abuses.

The Qatari authorities should repeal article 285 and all other laws that criminalize consensual sexual relations outside of marriage and introduce legislation that protects against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity, online and offline. Freedom of expression and nondiscrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity should be guaranteed, permanently, for all residents of Qatar, not just spectators going to Qatar for the World Cup, Human Rights Watch said.

“Only weeks ahead of the World Cup, LGBT people are raising the alarm on the abuses they have endured by security forces,” Younes said. “The Qatari government should call an immediate halt to this abuse and FIFA should push the Qatari government to ensure long-term reform that protects LGBT people from discrimination and violence."

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SCHEDULE​

Kick-off times in GMT.

Tournament mode​

  • 32 teams in 8 groups of 4
  • each group member plays each other once
  • the 2 best teams of each group advance to the single elimination knock-out phase

Groups​

  • A: Qatar, Ecuador, Senegal, Netherlands
  • B: England, Iran, USA, Wales
  • C: Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Poland
  • D: Denmark, Tunisia, France, Australia
  • E: Germany, Japan, Spain, Costa Rica
  • F: Morocco, Croatia, Belgium, Canada
  • G: Brazil, Serbia, Switzerland, Cameroon
  • H: Uruguay, South Korea, Portugal, Ghana


Group stage​

Sunday, 20 November​

Group A: Qatar 0-2 Ecuador (16:00)

Monday, 21 November​

Group B: England 6-2 Iran (13:00)
Group A: Senegal 0-2 Netherlands (16:00)
Group B: USA 1-1 Wales (19:00)

Tuesday, 22 November​

Group C: Argentina 1-2 Saudi Arabia (10:00)
Group D: Denmark 0-0 Tunisia (13:00)
Group C: Mexico 0-0 Poland (16:00)
Group D: France 4-1 Australia (19:00)

Wednesday, 23 November​

Group F: Morocco 0-0 Croatia (10:00)
Group E: Germany 1-2 Japan (13:00)
Group E: Spain 7-0 Costa Rica (16:00)
Group F: Belgium 1-0 Canada (19:00)

Thursday, 24 November​

Group G: Switzerland 1-0 Cameroon (10:00)
Group H: Uruguay 0-0 South Korea (13:00)
Group H: Portugal 3-2 Ghana (16:00)
Group G: Brazil 2-0 Serbia (19:00)

Friday, 25 November​

Group B: Wales 0-2 Iran (10:00)
Group A: Qatar 1-3 Senegal (13:00)
Group A: Netherlands 1-1 Ecuador (16:00)
Group B: England 0-0 USA (19:00)

Saturday, 26 November​

Group D: Tunisia 0-1 Australia (10:00)
Group C: Poland 2-0 Saudi Arabia (13:00)
Group D: France 2-1 Denmark (16:00)
Group C: Argentina 2-0 Mexico (19:00)

Sunday, 27 November​

Group E: Japan 0-1 Costa Rica (10:00)
Group F: Belgium 0-2 Morocco (13:00)
Group F: Croatia 4-1 Canada (16:00)
Group E: Spain 1-1 Germany (19:00)

Monday, 28 November​

Group G: Cameroon v Serbia (10:00)
Group H: South Korea v Ghana (13:00)
Group G: Brazil v Switzerland (16:00)
Group H: Portugal v Uruguay (19:00)

Tuesday, 29 November​

Group A: Netherlands 2-0 Qatar (15:00)
Group A: Ecuador 1-2 Senegal (15:00)
Group B: Wales 0-3 England (19:00)
Group B: Iran 0-1 USA (19:00)

Wednesday, 30 November​

Group C: Poland v Argentina (15:00)
Group C: Saudi Arabia v Mexico (15:00)
Group D: Tunisia v France (19:00)
Group D: Australia v Denmark (19:00)

Thursday, 1 December​

Group F: Croatia v Belgium (15:00)
Group F: Canada v Morocco (15:00)
Group E: Japan v Spain (19:00)
Group E: Costa Rica v Germany (19:00)

Friday, 2 December​

Group H: South Korea v Portugal (15:00)
Group H: Ghana v Uruguay (15:00)
Group G: Cameroon v Brazil (19:00)
Group G: Serbia v Switzerland (19:00)


Last 16​

Saturday, 3 December​

Game 49: Netherlands v USA (15:00)
Game 50: Group C winners v Group D runners-up (19:00)

Sunday, 4 December​

Game 51: Group D winners v Group C runners-up (15:00)
Game 52: England v Senegal (19:00)

Monday, 5 December​

Game 53: Group E winners v Group F runners-up (15:00)
Game 54: Group G winners v Group H runners-up (19:00)

Tuesday, 6 December​

Game 55: Group F winners v Group E runners-up (15:00)
Game 56: Group H winners v Group G runners-up (19:00)


Quarter-finals​

Friday, 9 December​

Game 57: Winners of game 53 v winners of game 54 (15:00)
Game 58: Winners of game 49 v winners of game 50 (19:00)

Saturday, 10 December​

Game 59: Winners of game 55 v winners of game 56 (15:00)
Game 60: Winners of game 51 v winners of game 52 (19:00)


Semi-finals​

Tuesday, 13 December​

Game 61: Winners of game 57 v winners of game 58 (19:00)

Wednesday, 14 December​

Game 62: Winners of game 59 v winners of game 60 (19:00)


Third-place play-off​

Saturday, 17 December​

Game 63: Losers of game 61 v losers of game 62 (15:00)


Final​

Sunday, 18 December​

Game 64: Winners of game 61 v winners of game 62 (15:00)
 
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so hard for me to support the world cup with such shit show. Today a sports reporter was complaining whenever she had to ask for something, men don't talk to her unless another men was with her and making the questions... The amnesty report is truly shocking and sad. A country that does not respect basic human rights, and even deny the very existence of other doesn't not deserve any major tournament.
Such as bullshit place to held the biggest even of the world.
 

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Haven't really been able to get into the world cup mood, given the country hosting. Fuck their backwards views.
 
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so hard for me to support the world cup with such shit show. Today a sports reporter was complaining whenever she had to ask for something, men don't talk to her unless another men was with her and making the questions... The amnesty report is truly shocking and sad. A country that does not respect basic human rights, and even deny the very existence of other doesn't not deserve any major tournament.
Such as bullshit place to held the biggest even of the world.
Yeah, their treatment of women is yet another facet of their human rights violations.
 
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Great thread and covers the issues well. Really leaning to not watching this. We also know the host committee has given free trips to fan club members to essentially spy on fans and make visitors add spyware to their phones (unless these were debunked things. Hard to follow with so much bad shit coming out recently). Just not sure I can give any viewership to this.
 

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Yeah no I'm not gonna watch any of it. That's not super hard to do as an American. Although I do enjoy soccer for sure, I've been to a few MLS games and the World Cup is always fun to watch. But having such a huge event in such an awful country doesn't sit right. I already don't like it when F1 goes to these places, and the World Cup is so much bigger than any one F1 race.
 
I completely ignored the 2018 world cup in russia. It disgusted me that they gave the show to Putin. 2022 proofed me right.

With Qatar enslaving people and workers dying, it's a no brainer to boycott this bloodgames.

The newest response of the FIFA Boss encouraged me even more. Sure dude, Ukraine and your buddy Putin will make a ceasefire for a month that you can do your soccer- shitshow undisturbed. How unhinged can one guy become?

Fuck that shit!
 
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I completely ignored the 2018 world cup in russia. It disgusted me that they gave the show to Putin. 2022 proofed me right.

With Qatar enslaving people and workers dying, it's a no brainer to boycott this bloodgames.

The newest response of the FIFA Boss encouraged me even more. Sure dude, Ukraine and your buddy Putin will make a ceasefire for a month that you can do your soccer- shitshow undisturbed. How unhinged can one guy become?

Fuck that shit!
Especially appalling that he urged FAs to "set aside politics" in an open letter, and the joint response from several of them was a big fuck you to the FIFA, which you just love to see.
 

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I'm not a huge football fan, but I do sometimes watch the World Cup and Euros and the like. This just leaves me cold, a World Cup built on a mountain of corpses to glorify a nation that would happily exterminate me and mine, all so some greedy fucks can enrich themselves off bribes and kickbacks. It's gross, and while I think boycotts are a personal thing and hope people still tuning in enjoy it, I just can't.
 
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I love football and am normally super excited for the WC but this farce is disgusting, I hope I'm disciplined enough to boycott it completely but I will be tempted once it gets going, albeit desperately hoping for it to be a complete disaster.
 
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If the Netherlands wins the whole thing, and nobody watched because they boycotted, did the Netherlands actually win? :unsure:
 
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Did not watch a single match back in 2018. I missed Germany's group stage matches for one reason or another (also was not particularly keen on watching in the first place), and then just continued not to watch the rest of the tournament.

If I managed not to watch then, I will manage now as well. Looking up the results will be good enough for me. I generally always preferred watching the European Cup anyway.
 
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Lol. What a gaslighting piece of shit. Infantino just made it even easier to not watch. Straight whataboutism and completely forced statement from the people paying the check.

 

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Lol. What a gaslighting piece of shit. Infantino just made it even easier to not watch. Straight whataboutism and completely forced statement from the people paying the check.

Wow what a cunt lmfao

Fortunately for me, I don't even have to boycott the thing because 95% of the games are locked behind a TV subscription, so yeah.
 
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Infantino is crumbling under the pressure. The countries who are paying for the services of the FIFA will need to elect a tougher president next time.
 
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The Finnish public broadcasting company Yle that airs the World Cup here has sent no crew to Qatar other than news reporters to cover the human rights issues, and as I've understood they'll show these reports during half times and such. I'm sure there willl be sporty sports reporting and commentary as well, and don't know how they'll balance this exactly, but this seems like a sensible thing to do if you are going to air it anyway.
 

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What Infantino said is that weird situation in which he is using whataboutism , he his gasligthing , but also what he said is 100% true :ROFLMAO:

Anyway, very boring game today, although glad Ecuador is winning , got super drunk yesterday so I was not able to watch the inauguration ceremony , it was good?

Excellent OP BTW, many thanks, i was under the impression we were going to use the Football OT, but glad to have one thread for the WC alone.

My main agenda/desires this WC:

1. Argentina to NOT WIN IT, if it does i stop watching futbol forever fuck it
2. LOL at England like in any tournament
3. I don't give a flying F for my nation's team (Mexico), bunch of corrupt fuckers, although i would say that i settle with not be completely humiliated by Poland and Argentina
4. Just try to have fun, fans of futbol wait 4 years for this, sadly this WC for me i find difficult to enjoy for all the many issues that were already discussed and the corruption that took place in order to bring the WC to this awful place.
 
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Excellent OP BTW, many thanks, i was under the impression we were going to use the Football OT, but glad to have one thread for the WC alone.
Thanks! We were debating that option, but ultimately decided it would be ideal to have a separate thread for it to be aboe to highlight the human rights issues more prominently.

Infantino is an incompetent fuck and should be forced to step down, but he will ultimately just be replaced by another incompetent fuck because the whole organisation is rotten to its core.
 
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Shit show keeps getting shittier.


England, Wales and five other European nations have confirmed they will not wear the OneLove armband at the World Cup in Qatar, saying Fifa made clear they would face sporting sanctions and that their captains could be booked or even forced to leave the pitch.

Belgium, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland were the other countries that had planned to wear the rainbow armband in a country where same-sex relationships are illegal. Fifa has ordered all captains to wear armbands that promote other social messages.

A joint statement from the seven football federations said: "Fifa has been very clear that it will impose sporting sanctions if our captains wear the armbands on the field of play. As national federations, we can’t put our players in a position where they could face sporting sanctions including bookings, so we have asked the captains not to attempt to wear the armbands in Fifa World Cup games."

 
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Shit show keeps getting shittier.


England, Wales and five other European nations have confirmed they will not wear the OneLove armband at the World Cup in Qatar, saying Fifa made clear they would face sporting sanctions and that their captains could be booked or even forced to leave the pitch.

Belgium, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland were the other countries that had planned to wear the rainbow armband in a country where same-sex relationships are illegal. Fifa has ordered all captains to wear armbands that promote other social messages.

A joint statement from the seven football federations said: "Fifa has been very clear that it will impose sporting sanctions if our captains wear the armbands on the field of play. As national federations, we can’t put our players in a position where they could face sporting sanctions including bookings, so we have asked the captains not to attempt to wear the armbands in Fifa World Cup games."

I don't want anyone getting arrested over this, but imagine the outrage if players actually did get penalized or even arrested because they wore a rainbow armband.
 
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Extremely spineless not to wear the armband for fear of a yellow after talking about “values” imo

That was a fantastic performance by England though
 
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Had this been exclusively and honestly about values to begin with, they would have boycotted the World Cup instead of going there, naively thinking FIFA would not do everything to keep their precious hosting county happy.

Instead of sending a message to both Qatar and the FIFA by doing so, they now bow down to their demands.
 

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Had this been exclusively and honestly about values to begin with, they would have boycotted the World Cup instead of going there, naively thinking FIFA would not do everything to keep their precious hosting county happy.

Instead of sending a message to both Qatar and the FIFA by doing so, they now bow down to their demands.
Agreed. This is all posturing, which is why they folded so easily. Shameful behavior, but that’s international football for you.
 
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France should win, but given what happened this morning, I wouldn't be surprised by the result.
 
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Only way Japan tie this game against Germany is by using a Hyper Strike from Mario Strikers...
Famous last words.

And just like that I can confirm Germany will fail the group stage again.
 
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Wonder how many of these upsets are due to the timing of the tournament. Would these results have happened in July?
 
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Canada doing a great match vs Belgium, maybe another upset coming.

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Argentina and Germany losing is a big “what the hell is this” type of thing. Oh well.

As a Dutchie, I just can’t become very excited. Granted I did cheer Monday for Gakpo when he scored the first goal against Senegal, but that’s pretty much it really. Its a weird situation, this whole tournament.

I know people called out the teams who didn’t wear the One Love armband, but I personally believe that the FIFA are taking the wrong choices here. What an absolute mess.

Still, I watch what I can as the timing of the matches is horrendous, I’m working around that time. Still, the Dutch squad matches are around the right time. I suspect we will reach the knock out phase, but that’s about it. There isn’t really a big name player like back in 2014 when we had Robben, van Persie, Sneijder etc.
 
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