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kasparov77 said:
Problem is, that only would make sense as a more premium device if the display was competitive with what most phones have nowadays (it isn't).
It's an LCD 720p screen and the thing seems also too big to fit in a pocket (unlike the phone grip).

Had it been at least OLED and announced at ~99$ then I could see the point.
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it costs more than 99€/$?
 
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kasparov77 said:
Problem is, that only would make sense as a more premium device if the display was competitive with what most phones have nowadays (it isn't).
It's an LCD 720p screen and the thing seems also too big to fit in a pocket (unlike the phone grip).

Had it been at least OLED and announced at ~99$ then I could see the point.
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kasparov77 said:
Problem is, that only would make sense as a more premium device if the display was competitive with what most phones have nowadays (it isn't).
It's an LCD 720p screen and the thing seems also too big to fit in a pocket (unlike the phone grip).

Had it been at least OLED and announced at ~99$ then I could see the point.
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kasparov77 said:
Problem is, that only would make sense as a more premium device if the display was competitive with what most phones have nowadays (it isn't).
It's an LCD 720p screen and the thing seems also too big to fit in a pocket (unlike the phone grip).

Had it been at least OLED and announced at ~99$ then I could see the point.
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In addition to the other stuff people have pointed out, the Q Lite is going to be much more comfortable to hold than the backbone. Having handles on the bottom that you can actually grip on makes a huge difference.
 
TomNookYankees said:
In addition to the other stuff people have pointed out, the Q Lite is going to be much more comfortable to hold than the backbone. Having handles on the bottom that you can actually grip on makes a huge difference.
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If the next Nintendo Switch has different Joy-Con (which seems apparently likely), I hope they go with a different handle style to the Q Lite. The most comfortable large-format device IMO is the Wii U GamePad, and it used rear bumps rather than wings. This would also keep the dimensions reasonable in the X and Y. Less Binbok, more Backbone, you know?

I'd love to see an Nvidia Shield Portable format device, but not as the flagship console with detachable controllers. A Pro Controller-esque shell with reduced wings and a clamshell screen would be pocketable and comfortable.
 
Concernt said:
If the next Nintendo Switch has different Joy-Con (which seems apparently likely), I hope they go with a different handle style to the Q Lite. The most comfortable large-format device IMO is the Wii U GamePad, and it used rear bumps rather than wings. This would also keep the dimensions reasonable in the X and Y. Less Binbok, more Backbone, you know?

I'd love to see an Nvidia Shield Portable format device, but not as the flagship console with detachable controllers. A Pro Controller-esque shell with reduced wings and a clamshell screen would be pocketable and comfortable.
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Yeah the gamepad was always super comfortable.
 
Hermii said:
imo 1080p is totally fine with this, because it doesn't actually have to render anything locally. I don't imagine it affects the battery life that much.
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Yeah that is true actually, they can get away with 1080p in this instance, possibly more. May even need the bigger screen and resolution as the games wouldn't be designed for smaller screens like they are on Switch.
 
Concernt said:
If the next Nintendo Switch has different Joy-Con (which seems apparently likely), I hope they go with a different handle style to the Q Lite. The most comfortable large-format device IMO is the Wii U GamePad, and it used rear bumps rather than wings. This would also keep the dimensions reasonable in the X and Y. Less Binbok, more Backbone, you know?

I'd love to see an Nvidia Shield Portable format device, but not as the flagship console with detachable controllers. A Pro Controller-esque shell with reduced wings and a clamshell screen would be pocketable and comfortable.
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Handles shouldn't be default but there needs to be an official pair as an option that aren't missing rumble and motion controls.
 
TLZ said:
I understand why VR is costly. The tech is new and different. But a streaming tablet?
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As I said, it's not about costs, it's about margins. The Q will have high margins because it's an accessory, and therefore will look expensive next to a low-margin product like the console itself. Logitech sells a streaming tablet with a 1080p LCD display for $300, probably with similar costs and margins as I'd expect for Sony's version.
 
Why did talk here suddenly turn into Nintendo being bought out?

Am I back in the old threads again? What's with all the doomposting?
 
Erathix said:
Honestly I am banking it all on Nintendo now these days. Only console maker that makes me excited for gaming anymore. Sony burned their last bridge with me so I'm out. Hand the easy win to Nintendo boys.

That last showcase was just an utter misfire and the investment charts of what Sony is now investing in (60% live service, 40% Traditional) and the fact they want to make 12 live services, wasting immense talent from multiple studios to dive in making soulless, predatory, cringe, utterly devoid of what made their brand in the first place just make me incredibly depressed thinking that this what they want to focus on under the leadership of Jim Ryan.

It's like if Nintendo decided to invest heavily in live service and instead of games like TOTK or Super Mario Odyssey or Metroid Prime, Pikmin, Fire Emblem, etc you had Metroid Hero Shooter FPS with Battle Pass, Seasons, had Mario Kart with MTX for new characters and Karts (like Tour but you paid $70 and only got six characters and 12 courses), Legend of Zelda but Gacha and so much talent being utterly wasted on propping up ideas and games like that.

Just being able to play a game like Tears or Metroid Dread or Super Mario Odyssey and being able to play a VIDEO GAME, completely, utterly, pay once and just...play a game, get lost in a game, be able to escape without being preyed upon incessantly...it's sad that is meant to be refreshing. I know there are countless indie titles that I greatly appreciate for this as well but to think of how gaming used to be and what it's become now is just something I've never been able to accept or get over. I miss the good old days badly...and I'm only 24. I cherish the fact I got to grow up when gaming was exciting left, right and centre all the time and new horizons were around every corner each year. Should've cherished it more to be honest.

Nintendo can come out with anything, even remasters of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess has more soul behind it than some of the shit I was seeing and will continue to see this gaming season of reveals and trailers.

Drop Metroid Prime 4 and I will pledge my allegiance to the Nintendo Ninja's themselves.

Everyone made it too easy to make Tears my GOTY so far. So much passion behind it, it drips from the console itself. Also one of the best Gannondorf fights, I was grinning ear to ear.

Oh and obligatory #Team2023. The apocalypse could happen and I'd still keep the faith Nintendo would release it rather than let it be lost to the apocalypse forever.
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A bit late, but oh my God, your Metroid Hero Shooter, Mario Kart MX and Gacha Zelda examples are really fucking horrifying, really puts things into perspective within the gaming industry (except indies, i will always love indies). Nintendo is far from perfect but i'm very thankful they haven't implemented any of this garbage into their games and i hope they continue that path for the future.
 
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oldpuck said:
It's a streaming device for inside your house. It's not great, but you're not exactly going to be using it far from the wall.
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Doesn't it work outside the home over the internet too? I mean PSP and PSV Remote Play did
 
I fail to see the appeal of a device that requires you to own a $500 console in order for it to work.
 
robertman2 said:
You know what this thing needs?

Better surround sound support in docked, I feel like only a handful of Switch games support it
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It's already there, though. Maybe they can add in some hardware that will give shocks to developers not using it?
 
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NarohDethan said:
I fail to see the appeal of a device that requires you to own a $500 console in order for it to work.
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It was marketed alongside PlayStation’s new wireless earbuds, so it’s an accessory. Like a DualSense Edge, but probably $100 more expensive. A premium accessory.

As to the merits of this product, questionable.
 
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Mendinso said:
You really shouldn't be defending this. There's zero defending this product, including the battery life. Just saying.
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Why shouldn't I? What? What the heck do you mean by that? Did this product hurt you, physically? Did it commit crimes? Say something racist on social media, then double down?

I'm not defending anything, it's a hunk of plastic made by a MegaCorp. The Switch is a hunk of plastic made by a MegaCorp. It doesn't need defense or offense, it needs analysis. Is it A Thing Anyone Cares About? Is it Any Good At That Thing?

Lots of folks have talked about whether or not It's a Thing Anyone Cares About. I'm just responding to the other question. The purported battery life of the Q is roughly that of the original Switch, and is clearly designed with a primary use case of in-house, off-TV style play. Battery life for a streaming device won't be dictated by the complexity of the video game, but by how often the rumble goes off, it's a radically different device.

This thread spins its wheels a lot when there isn't new data for the speculation engine, but we've gotten far from Future Hardware. Talking about whether or not a handheld has an appropriately balance of battery life to performance, and how that might be affected by the use case is dead-center for valid discussion. I enjoy trashing on Sony as much as the next person - slightly more, to be honest - but get out of here with this "really shouldn't be defending it, just saying" nonsense.
 
Uhhhh......
To bring this thread back on track, let's do a little roll call. If you think that the funcles were talking about the Q, yeah this post. If not, reply with nay. Both sides feel free to give their reasoning.

I swear this isn't yeah-farming, I'm just a little curious of how we're all feeling about this, as well as make things less heated. I've seen a some arguing going on for the last few pages.
 
oldpuck said:
Did it commit crimes?
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Yes, it stole my money from my wallet

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D36 said:
I swear this isn't yeah-farming, I'm just a little curious of how we're all feeling about this, as well as make things less heated. I've seen a some arguing going on for the last few pages.
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100% Nay.

The Q doesn't match the description the funcle gave. They specifically said that they thought BC would be preserved because it looked so much like the Switch that Nintendo wasn't trying to differentiate, and that it was "rounder". Assuming funcle is legitimate, there is no sane universe where you look at the Q's wing grips on it's non-detachable controller and think "yep, gotta be backwards compatible, it's just like a Switch but rounder".

There are so many "gaming handhelds" hitting the market, that even in the (unlikely) world where a guy who knows what companies his factory produces for gets two gaming handhelds from different companies confused, the Q isn't the one you'd mistake for a new Switch.
 
D36 said:
Uhhhh......
To bring this thread back on track, let's do a little roll call. If you think that the funcles were talking about the Q, yeah this post. If not, reply with nay. Both sides feel free to give their reasoning.

I swear this isn't yeah-farming, I'm just a little curious of how we're all feeling about this, as well as make things less heated. I've seen a some arguing going on for the last few pages.
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Probably not the Q Lite and I don't even believe those sources anyway tbh.
 
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oldpuck said:
100% Nay.
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Addendum: Speaking of "things confused for other things". It's way more likely that the recent kerfuffle about Sharp producing a screen for an upcoming game console was referring to the Q than REDACTED.

Sharp provided the screens for the PSP, and if announcement of the device was imminent, then that would be the most likely case when a CEO would say something (believing it to be kosher as it's starting to hit the press) and then having to scrub the comment (because the manufacturer wants to control the narrative themselves, and have lawyers on high alert).

Sharp's relationship with Nintendo is assembly, not as a screen vendor, an LCD screen would be a downgrade over the OLED model, and there is no leakage around REDACTED for for Nintendo to come down hard on.
 
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oldpuck said:
Why shouldn't I? What? What the heck do you mean by that? Did this product hurt you, physically? Did it commit crimes? Say something racist on social media, then double down?
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Hey, uh, maybe you shouldn't make a joke about this to a disabled queer minority member. Because I can't begin to tell you how fucked up this type of "joke" is.

Also, as for the rest of your hostile response, which was completely uncalled for, you don't need to double down on your corporate defense stuff in here, please. The whole product doesn't make any sense to begin with, especially with how Sony already supports streaming to begin with on third party applications, but to have an exceptionally abysmal battery life for a streaming-only product, there is no defending this. Sorry.
 
Wow, I was thinking things couldn't possibly get any weirder than my "please stop bringing up TotK and just let it be good on Switch" comments and the ensuing responses, but...... (Gestures broadly at thread).

In the spirit of off-topic-ness, I thought Project Q was a portable streaming device, not a glorified Wii U. Did I get that wrong? Is it even worse than I thought?

Floating gently on the nimbus of relevance and back down to earth, I'm still solidly in the camp of team 2024 after the reveal of Q. I'm now trying to make sense of funcle comments about it (Redacted) being rounder and ugly lol.
 
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Yeah the battery life is still pretty disappointing. The switch 2017 battery is also disappointing, as to not get things twisted around.

sigh
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
Wow, I was thinking things couldn't possibly get any weirder than my "please stop bringing up TotK and just let it be good on Switch" comments and the ensuing responses, but...... (Gestures broadly at thread).
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Fwiw, I think the technical issues with TotK are just a tad over exaggerated, especially for the later Switch models. This isn't me trying to damage control or minimize people's criticisms of the game, I just don't think the game is that held back. Obviously, Drake is gonna make this game into a visual dream, but I'm not sweating over it.
Now in regards to Q, yeah it looks pathetic. I understand the niche it's trying to fill, but it just seems to fall short in what the Steam Deck is capable of. The battery life, the need for online, the fact that you need a $450-500 device to even use the damn thing. This is clearly meant to be an accessory, but that thing is definitely not gonna be under $200; it feels so hard to justify. (Nevermind the fact that the PS5 is even more expensive outside the US, Jesus)
 
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    Hey folks,

    Remember to keep all conversation civil and respectful. You can disagree with each other without stifling the entire discussion.

    Also, a reminder to stay on-topic. This is “Future Nintendo Hardware.” Discussion of the Playstation Project Q device can be it’s own thread, if someone would like to make it.

    -Derachi, Irene, Barely Able
     
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    • Any word on the earbud prices? Completely off-topic but just curious. Both are definitely premium niche, completely optional products.

    It doesn't seem like they're losing money on the DualSense Edge, so why not go for broke? (as in broke customers hey-o)
     
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    D36 said:
    Now in regards to Q, yeah it looks pathetic. I understand the niche it's trying to fill, but it just seems to fall short in what the Steam Deck is capable of. The battery life, the need for online, the fact that you need a $450-500 device to even use the damn thing. This is clearly meant to be an accessory, but that thing is definitely not gonna be under $200; it feels so hard to justify. (Nevermind the fact that the PS5 is even more expensive outside the US, Jesus)
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    Indeed, that was my argument with PSVR2, it's £1000+ before you even sit down on your couch if you want the full set-up. It's a luxury device for sure, but damn..... PQ just seems like fluff to me, I don't get it, and especially not if it's sat around £200+. I'd rather stream to a device I already own. I'm not sure I understand Sony's rationale.

    To keep this on-topic, I honestly think a Nintendo VR/AR device would do really well. I think the tech is there for them now, at the right price, and they have a real opportunity to put together something that could really nail the cost-to-fun ratio. Hell, slap MKVR on there, watch it fly off the shelves.

    What would also be very cool, is if they could somehow have that patent that was floating around a while back - the one with a seemingly asymmetric VR experience - make use of all those lovely Switches out there. Let them link up, Super Nintendo Land, baby.
     
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    Hosermess said:
    Any words on the earbud prices? Completely off-topic but just curious. Both are definitely premium niche, completely optional products.
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    Since they connect through Bluetooth, I'll definitely be using them for my Switch and PS5. If they're as good as Sony says they are, I'm gonna enjoy playing TotK while wearing them. (Assuming I'll keep playing it for months to come, plus DLC)
     
    D36 said:
    Since they connect through Bluetooth, I'll definitely be using them for my Switch and PS5. If they're as good as Sony says they are, I'm gonna enjoy playing TotK while wearing them. (Assuming I'll keep playing it for months to come, plus DLC)
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    Didn't watch the presentation. What's their selling point? Extra low latency?
     
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    JoshuaJSlone said:
    If that's all you want, you're wasting money by not going with a much simpler chip than T239. No need for 12 shader modules or whatever.

    What you're describing isn't the PS5 or Xbox Series, either. These are the least gen-breaking successors in history, but they're also something clearly different and more desirable than what was before.

    That guy seems pretty obsessed about NVN2 not necessarily being linked to Nintendo in any way, I had a little Twitter discussion with him about it half a year back. And using the same damn GIF.
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    You got to jump through a lot of hoops to somehow disconnect NVN from Nintendo.
     
    Hermii said:
    Didn't watch the presentation. What's their selling point? Extra low latency?
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    Yes, lossless audio with low latency. I watched that segment again and Jim Ryan says that they'll connect to smartphones via Bluetooth, so hopefully they can connect to other things.

     
    Mendinso said:
    Hey, uh, maybe you shouldn't make a joke about this to a disabled queer minority member. Because I can't begin to tell you how fucked up this type of "joke" is.
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    First off, I'm going to apologize for upsetting you. Straight up, no qualifications. You're not the only disabled queer person in this conversation, and, in general, I wouldn't say anything online to a stranger that I wouldn't say to anyone - and by that I mean that I would hope that I am taking the same kind of care with everyone that I would take with someone in your - our - position. I am sorry.

    Secondly, this was not in any way a joke. I am sorry that it came off as in any way glib. I am saying that people can do the sorts of morally bad things that mean you "should" or "should not" defend them. This a hunk of plastic, and I think it is inappropriate to tell someone that they are not allowed to engage in technical analysis "just saying" using moral terms.

    I made what felt like a pretty lukewarm statement. I would like us to talk about technical details like battery life in a relatively unemotional way, because otherwise we do things like criticize Sony for 3 hours of battery life when the Switch launched with 2.5. There are users in this thread - and I'm not referring to you - who are taking Sony to task for battery life while also arguing about performance numbers for REDACTED using Switch's original TDP.

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    Also, as for the rest of your hostile response, which was completely uncalled for,
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    I found your initial response to me very hostile, and part of (general to the thread, not specific to you) trend of this thread getting a little console-war-ish, which I think is inappropriate.

    I'm sorry if I misread your intentions or tone - I still cannot for the life of me figure out what you were trying to communicate that wasn't emotionally driven in response to a pretty mundane statement on my part. While I found your message counter productive, I'm sorry again that you were the recipient of what I thought of as a response to the conversation over all.

    I think you are entitled to any opinion about hardware you like and should feel free to express them. What I think is inappropriate is to police the discourse about what "should" or "should not" be said, especially in response to a lukewarm single sentence statement.

    Mendinso said:
    you don't need to double down on your corporate defense stuff in here, please.
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    I (genuinely) do not understand how you could read "corporate defense" in anything I said.

    To be clear, I have no Sony products in my home (that I am aware of), and I am of the political opinion that the existence of a corporations Sony's size are a net evil in the world regardless of their behavior, and that Sony's behavior with things like Intellectual Property and forced labor make them even more egregious, and that specifically Sony makes the gaming industry worse, not better.

    Mendinso said:
    The whole product doesn't make any sense to begin with,
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    Yes, I agree.

    Mendinso said:
    especially with how Sony already supports streaming to begin with on third party applications, but to have an exceptionally abysmal battery life for a streaming-only product, there is no defending this.
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    Again, I'm not defending the product. I am not in Project Q's camp. I think it's a boondoggle.

    The Switch launched with an advertised 2.5 hour battery life when playing its launch title, often worse. Sony's clearly targeting living room play. I think that's a dumb decision on their part, but the battery life is consistent with their (misguided, to my mind) product design.

    However we judge a product, I would simply like to hold Nintendo and Sony to the same standards.

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    Sorry.
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    Having an opinion about Project Q is not something you have to apologize for. I would prefer you apologize for your language toward me, if you're going to apologize at all.


    Edited to add: I was gifted a used PS4, which I had forgotten about. It's never been turned on, but I do own, in the spirit of full disclosure
     
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