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Discussion Man, am I the only one less hyped after the latest BotW2 trailer?
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Well I hate to break it to you, but like YolkFolk, my identity is built around media product! Only difference is that his life only has meaning if product is good, and mine only if product is bad
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I cannot disagree with this. Stand corrected.
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Bruh we literally just got a huge Pikmin blowout like 5 months before launch.
It's silly to act like every Switch game during the Switch era has not had much known about it 3 months prior to launch. If you want to say that's the case for Zelda, fine. Even the people annoyed with the marketing seem to agree with that. But some people believing this is what we're getting absolutely makes sense.
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I never claimed this?
If you seriously expect that Pikmin 4 will also get no new info revealed closer to launch then I'm not sure what to say. Even a Kirby remake has a bunch of new stuff that they held until a couple weeks from launch. That's how Nintendo likes to market things now, drop new info close to launch to keep people interested in the game.
I'm not saying most games are as mysterious or unknown as TotK has been, just that they always have more to show closer to launch. TotK IMO benefits from this lack of info for many of the reasons I've put forth in this thread, mainly that the appeal of playing the game will heavily be about discovering the world and the crazy things you can do in it by yourself.
But there is no chance in hell we don't learn more closer to launch. I can't believe people seriously believe this, it's gotta be a joke.
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What does this even mean though? Or rather: what does this refer to?
Because we have only seen portions of the map. We are not even sure if there truly are underground portions (it sure looks like that) and if so, how large they are. We can only estimate how much new "map portions" will be added through flying segments and we don't know if the regular map may be extended beyond the "old boundaries" (unless I am mistaken and this has been debunked already?).
So far we have seen close to nothing about the new game. Though we do know that the overworld will largely be based on BotW. So if that is what people mean and if people expected a wholly new overworld I can get the disappointment.
But we still don't know what kind of dungeons we have. it seems like Shrines are gone so for all we know more traditional dungeons may be back. or we get nothing, because we have seen nothing on that so far...?
Then there is the story, we barely know anything about that either.
So to summarize I ask again: what do people mean when they say "this is what we are going to get" when we have still seen barely nothing. Do people suggest we will get barely nothing?
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I think you're being really disingenuous if you think this is what jencks meant and by extension that's how I'm responding but ok.
No one here seriously believes there won't be more shown closer to launch. Not even a launch trailer.
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I'm not at all trying to be disingenuous. What exactly do you mean then when you say "this is all we're getting"? I honestly don't understand what that could mean if not "they're not gonna give us any more info before launch".
Then can you explain what you mean by "this is all we're getting"?
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I didn't say this is all we're getting? I said people believing that makes sense. It's the other user who made the claim.
And anyways what I assumed jencks meant was that we've seen the main gimmicks / mechanics of the game. If jencks meant this is the only marketing we're getting? Then Nintendo has never worked like that, or any other major publisher for that matter. There's always more marketing closer to any big launch, it's not Switch era exclusive. So I don't know why we'd assume that's what he meant.
Maybe we need the original user to chime in to get what he meant, actually. Because while the first part of his comment was about marketing, it was in relation to information. So I assumed he meant that he thought the main gimmick/reason to play has already been revealed. Which, while I don't agree with, is way more understandable than "there will be no more marketing".
Personally I think the main hook hasn't been revealed yet.
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Yeah I think we've probably seen most of the main mechanics of this game but still not all, and we've definitely not seen as much of the world as they are able to show. I still believe based on how they've been marketing this that there is a vast underground network of interconnected caves and zones that will act as a mirror to the sky islands, so that's something new we will be able to learn that will be a fairly major piece of the game.
But even if Jencks is saying that we've seen most of what this game has to offer, not that we've seen all the trailers they'll give us (which is not how I interpreted that post), then I still disagree. And I maintain the stance that if that's what someone thinks then they haven't been paying attention to Nintendo's marketing over the last 5+ years. They ALWAYS leave new info about game mechanics, locations, characters, etc. till closer to launch.
What I meant is that I think they have shown us the scope of the game already. There may be a few extra things here and there but I think what this last trailer showed will be largely what the game is. Similar to how the E3 2016 trailer for BotW is a fairly good representation of that game’s moment to moment gameplay. I’m sure we will get another final trailer for TotK but it will probably be story focused.
Basically, I don’t there is some extra twist they are hiding at this point.
Basically, I don’t there is some extra twist they are hiding at this point.
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THE YEAR IS 1965, ZELDA
AND LINK ARE UNDERCOVER
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CIRCUIT. NOW LET'S BURN
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What would you consider to be an extra twist? Playable Zelda? Time travel? Extensive underground sections? Temples/dungeons?
Personally I think there have been a substantial amount of hints for some of these, specifically either playable or heavily involved Zelda, as well as an extensive interconnected underground network of caves and such. Temples/dungeons were hinted at in the reveal trailer but we haven't seen anything of those since so it's not clear what we'll get there. Either way we have ton of hints, suggestions, and glimpses of things that could wind up being major twists, depending on what you consider to be a twist.
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It's the sequel to my favorite game ever, I can't wait to play it, but yeah, it wasn't a great trailer. We just saw more of the same: present Link in BotW world with a couple of new enemies, parts of the map floating in the sky, and nothing about that "past Link". And I don't think it really hinted anything, so we don't have enough material to speculate about this game being more than a BotW expansion.
Are we going to spend another 200h in the same map plus sky locations? Are we going to see the same villages and npcs? No underwater exploration?
Honestly, after these trailers, and knowing that development began shortly after BotW was released in 2017 (I'm counting covid too) I think we haven't seen anything yet.
Here is my hot take: there must be a completely new map that allows true exploration again, probably with that "past Link". Two maps plus sky areas on both.
Are we going to spend another 200h in the same map plus sky locations? Are we going to see the same villages and npcs? No underwater exploration?
Honestly, after these trailers, and knowing that development began shortly after BotW was released in 2017 (I'm counting covid too) I think we haven't seen anything yet.
Here is my hot take: there must be a completely new map that allows true exploration again, probably with that "past Link". Two maps plus sky areas on both.
Something that would recontextualize what we’be seen. For example, how do the sky islands appear? Is the stuff we are doing on the ground going to affect the sky? Does the game have a time limit? Are we switching between characters?
Mario Odyssey’s Cappy reveal is another example
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Zero dungeons or shrines confirmed then.
Zero boss fights confirmed.
Weren’t in the trailer so…
This thread does a good job of showing why so many trailers show so much when it shouldn’t be really needed. People need to be spoon fed because they can’t fill in the blanks.
Truth is, we have no idea how a lot of this game is going to play out. They’re purposely building a mystery around the game and I’m liking it.
I want that sense of discovery again which is going to be harder for Nintendo to replicate after BotW delivered so much. It’s why I can understand their decision to keep things under wraps. They want people have that feeling again also.
If anything, I’m actually worried the next reveal will show too much!
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I'm not reading 9 pages of discussion so forgive me if those points have been made over and over again:
I believe TotK will be a great game, but its marketing has been insanely weird. Nintendo has always tried to showcase the "one new thing" with the sequel, such as the incredible 1-2 punch of Mario Odyssey marketing, where they first blew up the Internet with real people and then with capture mechanics.
Zelda tries to go for the story, which everyone agreed was the weakest part of BotW, and just some stuff that could've been conveyed in screenshots. There are skies and caves. Cool. How do they alter the game? How do you get there?
If we compare this to Mario Odyssey marketing, by this point we're nearing to spoiler territory September trailer which showcased a bit too many surprises. But all we know here is... Gannon's not banned, sky, nuts & bolts. The last one is interesting, but how does it work? What can I build? Where can I ride? You could show me a jpeg of a Link in a car instead of this trailer and I would have exactly the same amount of information.
This especially sucks considering the raised price for a game with the same map. Open-world games CAN coast on little to no marketing because they're new, since public usually expects a new world, this game reaches NSMB levels of marketing. "Hey! There's.... squirrel suit in this one!" How many people will look at it and go "yeah looks about the same"?
Despite my belief in TotK, I also want Nintendo to convince me that it will not only have enough new, but that this amount of content is worth the new premium price on an old console for a game that largely reuses assets. My main beef is specifically this. If it were 60 bucks, I'd handwaive lack of marketing, but this corporate bullshit raising of price rubs me the wrong way.
I believe TotK will be a great game, but its marketing has been insanely weird. Nintendo has always tried to showcase the "one new thing" with the sequel, such as the incredible 1-2 punch of Mario Odyssey marketing, where they first blew up the Internet with real people and then with capture mechanics.
Zelda tries to go for the story, which everyone agreed was the weakest part of BotW, and just some stuff that could've been conveyed in screenshots. There are skies and caves. Cool. How do they alter the game? How do you get there?
If we compare this to Mario Odyssey marketing, by this point we're nearing to spoiler territory September trailer which showcased a bit too many surprises. But all we know here is... Gannon's not banned, sky, nuts & bolts. The last one is interesting, but how does it work? What can I build? Where can I ride? You could show me a jpeg of a Link in a car instead of this trailer and I would have exactly the same amount of information.
This especially sucks considering the raised price for a game with the same map. Open-world games CAN coast on little to no marketing because they're new, since public usually expects a new world, this game reaches NSMB levels of marketing. "Hey! There's.... squirrel suit in this one!" How many people will look at it and go "yeah looks about the same"?
Despite my belief in TotK, I also want Nintendo to convince me that it will not only have enough new, but that this amount of content is worth the new premium price on an old console for a game that largely reuses assets. My main beef is specifically this. If it were 60 bucks, I'd handwaive lack of marketing, but this corporate bullshit raising of price rubs me the wrong way.
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I mean, I don't think shrines are coming back and Breath of the Wild didn't have dungeons
a trailer showed an overworld boss fight too
it's nice that fans are hopeful and fill in the gaps accordingly but for everyone else gaps are just gaps
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I’m late to this thread but if the video game forums are going negative with this game, that means it will be a 10/10 fun game and break sales records.
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You do you if you want to call certain features a shoo-in based on nothing but precedent/faith in the Zelda team, but I remember when TotK not featuring the same map as BotW was also an obvious truth.
In fairness, the map thing is still a half-truth, which at least in my case is where the real frustration comes from
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They're not building a mystery, they're just not telling the audience anything. Those two are very different things.
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We know some appear by being ripped out of the ground, based on the Zonai labyrinths. Maybe all of them were ripped from the ground, maybe not.
Yes, one of the trailers had Link reversing time on one of the chunks that fell to the ground, then riding that up to the sky. Returning fallen chunks to the sky would seem to be part of what we're doing.
Doubtful to both of those, but something is going on with Zelda for sure. I don't know if she'll be playable but they seem to be emphasizing her Sheikah Slate, which would be an odd thing if she's out of play for the entire game.
And yet there is still a whole aspect of that game they haven't gone into, possibly more. This dread reminds me what happened with Animal Crossing New Horizons. Nintendo was weirdly quiet on it. They showed some aspects of how they were "changing the formula" but it wasn't until a month before did we get a blowout. It's silly to think they are just gonna keep mailing in the marketing like they have and there won't be some blowout about a month before the release of the game.
Also, Skitzzo was right. Nintendo does operate like this. The problem here is that they announced this game way too early, probably to keep excitement levels for the switch up. I think that is the crux of the issue here tbh.
I don't know about the latter haha but yeah this is just typical overreaction by forum posters. It'll all be a wash in a couple months.
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People thought that Pikmin 4 trailer was a "blowout"? I thought the only thing that trailer really showed that I wasn't familiar with was Ice Pikmin and a dog.
Not to say that wasn't a good dog, because I've only known it for one week and if anyone disrespects or does anything to it I will snitch to the Nintendo ninjas.
Not to say that wasn't a good dog, because I've only known it for one week and if anyone disrespects or does anything to it I will snitch to the Nintendo ninjas.
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For the vehicule focus in the last trailer, I’m on two sides. For the drone/flying ones I think it can lend itself to fun scenarios in the sky. But for the land vehicules? Not interesting at all, should just show me what interesting new things you can find on land instead of useless traversal.
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They did announce this game before COVID to be fair. It's Zelda so it probably would've been delayed anyway but I can see it having been set back and entire year or more due to COVID specifically. BOTW had a ton of in person collaboration at basically every phase of development, I can't imagine how COVID and WFH restrictions must have messed with the development of this.
Especially given how top secret it must have been.
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I could think of a few interesting scenarios with land vehicles. The trailer shows the car vehicle with headlights, so it's possible you can construct a small vehicle to go explore some interiors. But also since you're very likely able to strap weapons onto some vehicles you could also use it to storm into an enemy camp. Alternatively if the enemy behavior is as fine tuned as I'd hope (i.e it won't go into instant alert over an object and will only sound off if they spot you personally) you could potentially construct a trojan horse, or a payload with explosive cargo that casually rolls in while you sneak attack from another angle.
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Man I just wanted to play as Zelda.
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I wouldn't count out playable Zelda just yet. She's definitely going to be important to the gameplay, otherwise they wouldn't be teasing info about her Sheikah slate.
How that manifests we have yet to see.
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Try Hyrule Warriors!
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The less excited you all are, the faster the time will pass until May.12th….
stodesign12
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We know where Hyrule Castle is. We know where the Kakariko is, and the same with everything: Death Mountain, Zora's Domain, etc. The key element of exploring a new world is not present in this game.
I don't know, what's the point of this game? (this sounds terrible lol) but I mean, usually open world games don't have direct sequels, so... is the story going to be much more important this time? I always hoped that we'll see Hyrule rebuilt, with bigger cities, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
I don't know, what's the point of this game? (this sounds terrible lol) but I mean, usually open world games don't have direct sequels, so... is the story going to be much more important this time? I always hoped that we'll see Hyrule rebuilt, with bigger cities, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
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I’m really excited and I liked the last trailer. But I can see where people are coming from with their worries, especially with how Nintendo loves to be derivative.
But I think TOTK will avoid that trap. This game will be unique. I bet there’s ordinary gameplay mechanics we haven’t even seen yet that will blow our minds. Remember how much random new mechanics BOTW added?
But I think TOTK will avoid that trap. This game will be unique. I bet there’s ordinary gameplay mechanics we haven’t even seen yet that will blow our minds. Remember how much random new mechanics BOTW added?
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If she's like, in his arm or something, that'll be worse than if she wasn't in the game
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There's a solid 90% chance that she uses her new Sheikah slate to give Link his cool new arm, while she stays trapped underground as a damsel. I don't think Aonuma is cool enough to let us be a girl in the game.
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Again if she's not physically there using the Sheikah slate for something they wouldn't be teasing it.
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Remember when Aonuma wouldn't give a clear answer on whether Link was a girl or not in BotW
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Pretty sure that was a mistranslation.
NOA's tweet saying "what's that she's holding..." is not.
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No, I'm referring to when he was asked, and he didn't answer in a clear manner.
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I'm neither hyped or un-hyped. The game's inclusion in the voucher program will see me get it, at launch, and the most recent trailer led me to believe that some of my issues with BOTW have been addressed.
I'm looking forward to playing it, and hoping Wind Waker releases soon, after, as that is the Zelda game I most want to play, in 2023.
I'm looking forward to playing it, and hoping Wind Waker releases soon, after, as that is the Zelda game I most want to play, in 2023.
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If Aonuma hated Zelda as much as it seems like some of you think, they wouldn't have gone ahead and sidelined Link for almost the whole of Age of calamity in favour of making it abundantly clear that BOTW Zelda was the main character there. 
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there are pretty clearly some deeply based people at nintendo being held back by mass marketability (and likely their old japanese man bosses)
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HuhIf Aonuma hated Zelda as much as it seems like some of you think, they wouldn't have gone ahead and sidelined Link for almost the whole of Age of calamity in favour of making it abundantly clear that BOTW Zelda was the main character there.
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Well, if she's the main character of the Warriors spin-off, then that settles it. I guess she'll HAVE to be playable in a mainline title like BotW2.
More seriously, I think the closest we'll get to a playable woman is another quest where Link has to crossdress. Like the original it will come package and parcel with a transphobic gag.
More seriously, I think the closest we'll get to a playable woman is another quest where Link has to crossdress. Like the original it will come package and parcel with a transphobic gag.
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Ive never playrd a warriors game as they always looked boring to me…but i do like zelda. Would i get anything out of hyrule warriors? If so, which one should i play?
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I remember that being a translation issue, where he basically said something like they always intend to design Link like he's androgynous.
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