StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

[Kevin]

If the next Switch really is close to a PS4 Pro BEFORE DLSS support then I would be likely to think all first party games could hit at least 4K/30. I base this on the fact that games like Horizon Zero Dawn hits 4K on the Pro. This is an old list but there are some visually NICE games here that support 4K (some using reconstruction):

Get the full PS4 Pro experience. Here's every game you can play in 4K HDR

While the PlayStation 4 Pro can play any PS4 game, there are a select number of titles that have been optimized to take advantage of the platform's increased power. Get the full gaming experience with your PS4 Pro and take a look at all the titles that support its 4K HDR capabilities.

www.digitaltrends.com

Assuming that the Switch 2 is indeed more capable of a PS4 Pro when DLSS is factored in and the fact that PS4 Pro games visually look quite a lot better then Switch games (opinion) I think it's fair to say that the possibility of first party games often times hitting 4K is very much there much in the way that many Wii and even some Wii U games hit 1080p/60 on Switch.

At any rate it's exciting future for sure!

 

[Sol]

Yes, hardware could release November 2023 potentially.

But it's just not going to launch in the next six months which is what some people were trying to argue.

I think we're about to cross the threshold where a launch in the first half of this year just isn't happening.

I mean we're just slightly more than 4 months out from Tears of the Kingdom releasing and there's just nothing. It's complete silence. A launch within the next 4 months would surely mean that Switch 2 would be in full manufacturing mode at this point. I mean if Nintendo were launching a brand new generation with just a few months, surely we'd have some kind of report from a major publisher suggesting as such.

If we get to the end of January and it's just as quiet as it is now, then I think we're looking at Holiday 2023 at the earliest.

 

[manfromthedam]

pure floppage

Between this and Swoled, you - sir - are a master with words.

 

[Skittzo]

I think we're about to cross the threshold where a launch in the first half of this year just isn't happening.

I mean we're just slightly more than 4 months out from Tears of the Kingdom releasing and there's just nothing. It's complete silence. A launch within the next 4 months would surely mean that Switch 2 would be full manufacturing mode at this point. I mean if Nintendo we're launching a brand new generation with just a few months, surely we'd have some kind of report from a major publisher suggesting as such.

If we get to the end of January and it's just as quiet as it is now, then I think we're looking at Holiday 2023 at the earliest.

We did just get a Chinese factory leak suggesting Switch production is going into overdrive at a very unusual time of year.

Between this and Swoled, you - sir - are a master with words.

One thing I know is my wordage

 

[ILikeFeet]

Honestly, one thing I'm excited about regarding the Drake with "RTX" capabilities is that various devs may start taking those features seriously and utilize them. On PC, games utilizing RTX features are growing, but on a small scale because most PC configurations don't have an RTX card to give devs reason to utilize them. With Drake, EVERY Switch 2 unit has those features.

Nvidia's RTX line commands 33.89% of steam (RDNA2, 1.77%). I think that's a damn good reason to use those features

No matter how it's sliced, Drake seems to be built to be an image quality first machine, and I have confidence it will achieve that.

I gotta say, I'm kinda scared of that given how some devs max out resolution at the expense of performance and parity. lots of Series S games are missing graphics modes and Series X suffering from devs setting the resolution targets too agressively. a lot of these are needless, I think and I'm kinda worried we'll see that imbalance here too

 

[Terrell]

I mean, the PS4 was an incredibly successful system and the PS5 was still announced in October 2019 for a release in holiday 2020.

This is despite Sony trying to sell PS4s in holiday 2019 and despite the PS5 announcement and promotion somewhat getting in the way of marketing of TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima and Final Fantasy 7 Remake.

Funny enough... for all we knew about PS5 by October 2019, seems 3rd-parties barely knew more than we did.

An employee at a major third-party publisher with direct knowledge of the situation has told GameDaily the confusion resulting from the global reorganization has made the switch, already difficult as is, even more concerning.

Speaking under the condition of anonymity, GameDaily's source relayed what their company is facing.

"This is the least amount of clarity we've ever had on a new console this close to transition,” the source said. “I believe that the [global restructuring] is exponentially exacerbating the already difficult process of transitioning to a new generation. And now we’re getting nervous. Read: very nervous."

Not exactly the model that Nintendo will want to emulate.

I just think it's weird to expect a completely unprecedented reveal strategy and leak containment for the Switch 2 relative to the history of new game consoles.

We'll probably know about when this thing is launching and what it is launching with a decent bit before it comes out.

Everything is unprecedented until it's suddenly and abruptly not. The DS announcement was "unprecedented" for its time, being less than a year from announcement to launch, compared to the year and a half advance notice for GBA, never mind the multi-year choreography seen with SNES/SFC and N64 that made GBA's quick announcement-to-launch equally unprecedented. Switch being formally revealed 5 and a half months before release became the new "unprecedented" after that. That's a pretty storied history of "unprecedented".

How many developers have it and were supposedly told to prep games for it remains one of the largest issues for me.

I get it, devices can be cancelled, but such a move wouldn’t be taken very lightly, and I assume it certainly wouldn’t happen after development kits were well propagated, right? It feels like N pulling the rug out from under their partners - in what scenario would that makes sense? Would Nintendo distribute kits for developers to just experiment on for two years? But that doesn’t really line up with the idea that they should be ‘prepping games to release in early 2023’

More than anything at this stage I hope we get more clarity on the timeline, because it feels like a messy game of telephone and wire crossing right now. Given the nature of much of this being rumors/leaks tho I’m not holding my breath. We could just as well see May 2023 pass by without a peep.

We're not going to have a real picture of that until the device is announced, but that's to be expected. Bethesda releasing games on Switch was very out of left field until we saw Skyrim in the reveal trailer, never mind everything else that trickled in after the fact.

And despite some of what we knew about Switch, there was huge gaps in the timetable for it until after the fact, as well.

 

[Discostew]

Nvidia's RTX line commands 33.89% of steam (RDNA2, 1.77%). I think that's a damn good reason to use those features

Ah. So I guess we can look at it another way. Adding one more platform that's compatible with those RTX capabilities will "hopefully" drive up the implementation of those features.

 

[Vash]

Animal Crossing New Horizon press shots were in 5K lol

5k switch coming. You heard it here first folks

 

[Deleted member 887]

If the next Switch really is close to a PS4 Pro BEFORE DLSS support then I would be likely to think all first party games could hit at least 4K/30.

Drake, assuming the hardware we get matches the hack/leak specs, will not be in that territory.

DLSS is much more efficient than checkerboarding. After DLSS, it is possible that Drake beats out the Pro.

 

[Kevin]

Drake, assuming the hardware we get matches the hack/leak specs, will not be in that territory.

DLSS is much more efficient than checkerboarding. After DLSS, it is possible that Drake beats out the Pro.

Still sounds like a pretty capable system I would say. Certainly a strong upgrade over what we have today.

 

[MP!]

To be honest I always thought dev kits being out so dang early was a weird move
I never quite believed it…

Like I get that Bloomberg has sources and that they wouldn’t just make something up like that but historically haven’t Nintendo given kits to partners like 6 months out?

Though it’s a nice thought if they’re aiming to be more communicative with developers about hardware (could lead to more up front support… and less of a drought when hardware launches)

It just always seemed weird and farfetched is all I’m saying.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I thought they had already cut PS4 production by late 2019 to free up room for PS5 production. Or was that later?

It's very obvious by early 2020, anyway. The last half of calendar 2019 was down about a quarter from the year before, but that seems natural enough.

 

[Dekuman]

Here's a weird timing I'm trying to figure out. When the hack was dumped last spring, and people datamined references to NVN2, we were all excited to hear @NateDrake talk about it, and Nate soon after commented he obtained new information he needed confirmaiton on and declined to talk about the hardware and we've been waiting since. Was the revision cancellation rumor going back to spring 20212? if so, could the hack have been connected to it?

 

[Kazuyamishima]

Not saying there will be one/needs to be but we all know Nintendo is big on "Gimmicks" what do you think the Gimmick for the switch 2 is/should be? I, for one, think it would be really cool if Switch 2 had a touchscreen on the back kind of like the ps vita.

 

[MP!]

Here's a weird timing I'm trying to figure out. When the hack was dumped last spring, and people datamined references to NVN2, we were all excited to hear @NateDrake talk about it, and Nate soon after commented he obtained new information he needed confirmaiton on and declined to talk about the hardware and we've been waiting since. Was the revision cancellation rumor going back to spring 2021? if so, could the hack have been connected to it?

Tune into the podcast to FIND OUT!

 

[ILikeFeet]

To be honest I always thought dev kits being out so dang early was a weird move
I never quite believed it…

Like I get that Bloomberg has sources and that they wouldn’t just make something up like that but historically haven’t Nintendo given kits to partners like 6 months out?

Though it’s a nice thought if they’re aiming to be more communicative with developers about hardware (could lead to more up front support… and less of a drought when hardware launches)

It just always seemed weird and farfetched is all I’m saying.

I wouldn't be weird for early generic boxes to be out for preliminary testing of targets. Orin boards were out for Nvidia and Nintendo to turn into test boxes

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Not saying there will be one/needs to be but we all know Nintendo is big on "Gimmicks" what do you think the Gimmick for the switch 2 is/should be? I, for one, think it would be really cool if Switch 2 had a touchscreen on the back kind of like the ps vita.

I don’t know about that, current switch webarely even uses the current front facing touchscreen, a touchpad on the back would make things more complicated and the PSVita touchpad was a bit tricky to use and not really properly done well from what I’ve tried it. Tearaway was the best and most superb usage of the touchpad imo, but other games didn’t really make it that comfortable to actually use if you get my drift. Made it more like a chore.


For a gimmick, Miracasting to a bigger TV could be a thing. Or those scroll wheels but I have a feeling those will be touch sensitive scroll wheels that works with the haptics, so it’s not a literal wheel when executed, but you slide your index finger on the shoulder button and it acts like a wheel.


And for joycons, back paddles for the L3/R3 would be nice.


I think (even if I dread it) that they’ll add cameras. I personally never liked gimmicks focused on cameras but Nintendo doesn’t care. I’d rather it be something that feels natural and not forced as a gimmick if it were to have a camera.

But no camera gimmick from them has done that.


Also the device being gaming console related in some degree ruins it, a phone is much better because of how it can easily be held in portrait form.



Whatever gimmick, if they do have one, please be good and interesting for me. Don’t want something that gets old fast and I never use it much again (3D), or has its charm but fades away and is limiting in other ways (Wii). The DS (so 3DS by extension) and Switch are perfect gimmicks.

Felt natural, felt right, felt appropriate. DS was sleek and clamshell was good with the dual screen.

Switch has 3 modes as a single system, TV, Table and Handheld mode. Built in couch coop. It perfectly does a gimmick.


Can’t comment on the Wii U gimmick as I didn’t really experience it really. GBA/GCN didn’t have much of a notable gimmick to it. They just kinda were things. But they were nice.

 

[karmitt]

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We did just get a Chinese factory leak suggesting Switch production is going into overdrive at a very unusual time of year.

Could be anticipating the success of TotK? Doubtful tho. I would assume we’d see a spike in sales, but this far into the generation it’s probably not going to be especially noteworthy.

 

[Concernt]

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Could be anticipating the success of TotK? Doubtful tho. I would assume we’d see a spike in sales, but this far into the generation it’s probably not going to be especially noteworthy.

I'm going to say this with complete confidence:

The ramp up is for the new console. Plain and simple.

If I turn out wrong, at least I was confidently wrong!

 

[lucapfstr]

Polygon knows about it

Sure, but my issue with this is, if Polygon knows why don't others? I can reasonably believe that Nintendo is doing a good job preventing leaks, but in that case I would expect literally nothing. Idk

 

[Hidden04]

Sure, but my issue with this is, if Polygon knows why don't others? I can reasonably believe that Nintendo is doing a good job preventing leaks, but in that case I would expect literally nothing. Idk

This console is only known about by a few people, and no one else who knows about it wants to break NDA.

 

[TurtleRock]

I think a neat new gimmick would be for a “reverse WiiU” dual screen experience. Instead of having the console stream to the game pad, maybe the console can stream to TV via the dock. You can still dock the console for the traditional hybrid functionality the Switch has now, but you can also stream from handheld to the TV as an option.

Then maybe Nintendo can patch older games like Pikmin 3 to bring back the map on the game pad and game on the Tv. Same with with Splatoon so it plays just like on WiiU. I dunno how feasible it would be in terms of input latency though.

 

[antonz]

I'm going to say this with complete confidence:

The ramp up is for the new console. Plain and simple.

If I turn out wrong, at least I was confidently wrong!

Ramp up for Switch does not make sense that is for sure. Sales have begun the downward slide. There would be zero reason to ramp up production.

 

[karmitt]

I'm going to say this with complete confidence:

The ramp up is for the new console. Plain and simple.

If I turn out wrong, at least I was confidently wrong!

Haha look I’d like to think the same, but faced with the possibility that nothing’s coming that soon, might as well consider alternatives :]

 

[NateDrake]

Here's a weird timing I'm trying to figure out. When the hack was dumped last spring, and people datamined references to NVN2, we were all excited to hear @NateDrake talk about it, and Nate soon after commented he obtained new information he needed confirmaiton on and declined to talk about the hardware and we've been waiting since. Was the revision cancellation rumor going back to spring 2021? if so, could the hack have been connected to it?

All I'll say on this matter: There was a fair bit of information coming in spring 2022 (I believe that's what you meant and not spring 2021) and we'll touch on some of it.

 

[antonz]

Timeline of release and announcement could very well be one of the things Nintendo is struggling with if the claims they are struggling with next gen topics is to be believed. If they are so terrified of a flop with their next hardware, they may be trying to figure out the best way to keep Switch alive as long as possible while their next console comes.

Nintendo is in a very different place now. The days of the more laidback leadership that had its foot in development and leading the company is over. We have a much more traditional Banker type CEO now and that is going to bring a very different mindset to how things get done. He spoke at great lengths when he took over in fact about the fact Nintendo always seems to have a boom and bust cycle and that needs to end.

 

[Skittzo]

Timeline of release and announcement could very well be one of the things Nintendo is struggling with if the claims they are struggling with next gen topics is to be believed. If they are so terrified of a flop with their next hardware, they may be trying to figure out the best way to keep Switch alive as long as possible while their next console comes.

Nintendo is in a very different place now. The days of the more laidback leadership that had its foot in development and leading the company is over. We have a much more traditional Banker type CEO now and that is going to bring a very different mindset to how things get done. He spoke at great lengths when he took over in fact about the fact Nintendo always seems to have a boom and bust cycle and that needs to end.

Personally I don't buy the idea that they're nervous or worried about the transition at all. Most of those reports were extremely dubious analyses of poorly translated phrases from investor briefings that wound up simply saying something like "we're always considering different options for new hardware"

I have yet to see any report of substance which really indicates that they are any more "nervous" than they always are.

 

[ILikeFeet]

Timeline of release and announcement could very well be one of the things Nintendo is struggling with if the claims they are struggling with next gen topics is to be believed. If they are so terrified of a flop with their next hardware, they may be trying to figure out the best way to keep Switch alive as long as possible while their next console comes.

Nintendo is in a very different place now. The days of the more laidback leadership that had its foot in development and leading the company is over. We have a much more traditional Banker type CEO now and that is going to bring a very different mindset to how things get done. He spoke at great lengths when he took over in fact about the fact Nintendo always seems to have a boom and bust cycle and that needs to end.

I think usage of words like "nervousness" and "struggling" oversell the situation. they make the situation sound more dire when they're probably just cautious like any other company would be

 

[kvetcha]

I think usage of words like "nervousness" and "struggling" oversell the situation. they make the situation sound more dire when they're probably just cautious like any other company would be

I believe later translations of the remark people are referencing were more the flavor of ‘we are very conscious of the importance of this transition.’

 

[Dekuman]

All I'll say on this matter: There was a fair bit of information coming in spring 2022 (I believe that's what you meant and not spring 2021) and we'll touch on some of it.

oh yes, i meant spring 2022, not 2021. thanks.

 

[Dakhil]

I think a neat new gimmick would be for a “reverse WiiU” dual screen experience. Instead of having the console stream to the game pad, maybe the console can stream to TV via the dock. You can still dock the console for the traditional hybrid functionality the Switch has now, but you can also stream from handheld to the TV as an option.

Then maybe Nintendo can patch older games like Pikmin 3 to bring back the map on the game pad and game on the Tv. Same with with Splatoon so it plays just like on WiiU. I dunno how feasible it would be in terms of input latency though.

I believe I've talked about the same feature, but for a Drake equipped Lite model (here and here).

Although the idea of having Nintendo's new hardware equipped with Drake dock wirelessly via the dock, especially with the game on the TV, and the map and/or menu on the actual console's mobile OLED display, does sound really nice, that also sounds very taxing from a latency standpoint, especially at 4K, which is probably the reason why PeakDo's 4K wireless HDMI transmitter and receiver that Linus Tech Tips reviewed only supports up to 4K 30 Hz.

* → a tentative name that I use

 

[SiG]

Would Nintendo really launch an OLED and a brand new generation 2 weeks from each other?
...
This is what gives me the most skepticism for a H1 2023 launch

They have done so before with the 2DS XL bundle and Switch.

 

[NintendoPrime]

We did just get a Chinese factory leak suggesting Switch production is going into overdrive at a very unusual time of year.

Where is this leak again? I was digging through the thread but not having much luck.

 

[Hidden04]

* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *

In case people missed it, here's a post by fwd-bwd about the leaks from the Chinese factory.

 

[ertaboy356b]

Is it 100% confirmed that the Zelda OLED is real? I think it's a little weird that the green detail is on the left joy con. If I remember correctly Link's injured arm is the right one.

It looks very fake. Notice how all OLED boxes have an OLED name at the bottom and this one doesn't?

 

[Dekuman]

In case people missed it, here's a post by fwd-bwd about the leaks from the Chinese factory.

Thanks. As an aside, is this is the same summary where you got the impression they were discontining v2? I didn't see that referenced cirectly.

 

[chocolate_supra]

It looks very fake. Notice how all OLED boxes have an OLED name at the bottom and this one doesn't?

I might not be understanding what you mean but:

 

[YugamiSekai]

I might not be understanding what you mean but:
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *

I think they mean this at the bottom.

 

[Serif]

It looks very fake. Notice how all OLED boxes have an OLED name at the bottom and this one doesn't?

The French boxes are different.

 

[chocolate_supra]

I think they mean this at the bottom.

Oh gotcha

The French boxes are different.

Oooohhh gotcha

 

[karmitt]

Just far ahead would somebody have a boxed device?

We talk about it like it’s coming right alongside, or just before 12 May, but these look like pictures of a final product and it’s cardboard box.

 

[roccerfeller]

It looks very fake. Notice how all OLED boxes have an OLED name at the bottom and this one doesn't?

I think it looks very believable. The last few special edition boxes have similar font with no clear oled text like on the standard box

 

[chocolate_supra]

I think a neat new gimmick would be for a “reverse WiiU” dual screen experience. Instead of having the console stream to the game pad, maybe the console can stream to TV via the dock. You can still dock the console for the traditional hybrid functionality the Switch has now, but you can also stream from handheld to the TV as an option.

Then maybe Nintendo can patch older games like Pikmin 3 to bring back the map on the game pad and game on the Tv. Same with with Splatoon so it plays just like on WiiU. I dunno how feasible it would be in terms of input latency though.

I've actually fantasized about this

Just far ahead would somebody have a boxed device?

We talk about it like it’s coming right alongside, or just before 12 May, but these look like pictures of a final product and it’s cardboard box.

There was a theory floated that while the game was delayed out of 2022, production of its OLED model might not have been easily rescheduled, so they got made at a time that'd be more in line with the original holiday 2022 release and are just.. chillin

 

[Skittzo]

I have a terrible eye for stuff being real or faked, but I think the zoled could go either way. It would take a lot of effort and research to fake but that hasn't stopped others before. Definitely has no visible red flags though.

Not sure it makes much of a difference either way re: Drake

 

[ShadowFox08]

It’s more like comparing the scenarios of it, as Drake is Ampere-based while the other base consoles are GCN based, and I did see like a 3090 and 90TI does a perform a 6900XT and 6950XT respectively despite having lower texture and pixel rate.



90 and 69XT as examples (respectively):
189.8 GPixel/s
556.0 GTexel/s

288.0 GPixel/s
720.0 GTexel/s


But, the former has a higher bandwidth.

Like Drake should, in theory with those clocks, be equal than the PS4 and XB1 providing it is fed enough.


Curiously, the TX1 and Drake have the same ROP count. But in the case of the TX1, it was overdoing it, while Drake might by doing it just right for it.


Hm, I wonder how that’s done on mobile?

Oh, now I remember you making some calculations before like 1-2 months ago. Forgot got the post number.

A drake version of TOTK would not just be the switch version running at higher res

Ray tracing, (A0, shadows, reflections, lighting), draw distance, texture quality, frame rates, resolution, certain models poly count…. Load times..

Any number of these things can and will be added/improved and the comparison shots would be night and day.

So yeah TOTK might not be all that impressive for drake

BUT A Drake version WOULD be

Not only that but I think it would be a perfect way to show that going forward… sure, you can still get our great titles on switch but the Best versions will only be available on “Next switch”

Agreed. It's gonna sell consoles. And Switch 2 has a high chance of going thr PS5 route with mostly a similar 1st gen sharing cross platform system.

People know the switch is aging and core gamers want better performance. Games like Botw and Xenoblade games could easily be mistaken as PS4 tier level games, but are held back in resolution, framerate, draw distance and textures to name a few.

I think Drake will likely get a separate version of Totk.

I am very doubtful that 4K60 TotK with better loads and lighting would be as impressive as a showcase for the system as a big budget exclusive made from the ground up for the Switch 2.

I am also extremely doubtful that the Switch 2 will have meaningfully good raytracing. The PS5 and Xbox Series X are completely incompetent when it comes to raytracing.

It sure as hell was for PS5 with Dark Souls 3. Also, unlike TP and Botw, we are looking at a generational gap here. Not even a mere doubling of resolutions. And I already said in a quote below that botw and Xenoblade (as well as other switch games) look PS4 tier, but switch's power prevents it from having a full PS4 resolution and performance (and had textures).

This game will be a system seller. I would buy Drake on day one with significant updates to TotK. We can wait for 3D Mario in Q4.

Yes, hardware could release November 2023 potentially.

But it's just not going to launch in the next six months which is what some people were trying to argue.

No one (or very few) is saying with absolute confidence that it will. But there's evidence that suggests that the earliest release is with Totk. Especially when news for the game has been so mum. February is the latest reveal time before it gets pushed past a msy release date. That's what a lot of people think here.

 

[kvetcha]

I have a terrible eye for stuff being real or faked, but I think the zoled could go either way. It would take a lot of effort and research to fake but that hasn't stopped others before. Definitely has no visible red flags though.

Not sure it makes much of a difference either way re: Drake

Having not bought one of these special models before, I have to ask: do the real boxes have that cheap-looking corrogated texture that you can see in relief in the leaked photos?

 

[Dakhil]

Having not bought one of these special models before, I have to ask: do the real boxes have that cheap-looking corrogated texture that you can see in relief in the leaked photos?

Based on pictures of the Splatoon 3 Special Edition (Middle East) box from Playasia's listing and of the Splatoon 3 Special Edition (North America) box from a Mercari listing, yes.

 

[Magic-Man]

Can we just accept that the Zelda OLED is real? It feels like people are scrambling to find anything that is a tiny bit imperfect to debunk it and keep the H1 2023 Drake dream alive. It ain't happening.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Why are so many people convinced that Drake/switch 2 will run at 4k? I get that it will have DLSS sure but I doubt that's enough. We should probably temper our expectations (imo) my 3050 with DLSS can't really run any game at 4k with low settings at 1080p upscaled to 4k and it draws around 90W iirc

Fwiw I hope it's 4k but if Drake is supposed to be around PS4 levels of performance even with DLSS it seems like a stretch but I hope I am entirely wrong

We're not getting PS4 levels of quality and performance at 4k 60fps. If we are talking about Switch ports, that's far more likely to happen. Switch level games that are already 1080p to be 4k without DLSS. Maybe we can get xbone level 1080p games to run at 4K with DLSS. I'm not expecting without it.

Most people are expecting Drake/switch 2 in docked to be 1.5-2x as performant as PS4 Pro. Maybe we could get 1440p games native vs 1080p pS4 games with or without DLSS. Switch 2's bandwidth will be a bottleneck.. but then again maybe 4k PS4 is possible with DLSS. Probably not from 1080p or 720p to 4( though.

Personally I don't buy the idea that they're nervous or worried about the transition at all. Most of those reports were extremely dubious analyses of poorly translated phrases from investor briefings that wound up simply saying something like "we're always considering different options for new hardware"

I have yet to see any report of substance which really indicates that they are any more "nervous" than they always are.

I can sort of understood. Nintendo has never been in this situation for a home console to last 6 years and keep it's momentum this far along. They got lightening in a bottle from merging handheld and traditional developers into one console. They definitely do want to milk the sSwitch as long as possible and not kill it off while it's still selling. So I could see their reasoning of initially positioned it as a pro model (I hate saying pro model) at first, but it's no different than PS4 and ps5 support from Sony with the same games on them for a number of years (any exclusives being third party and maybe one first party game).

 

[Kazuyamishima]

Can we just accept that the Zelda OLED is real? It feels like people are scrambling to find anything that is a tiny bit imperfect to debunk it and keep the H1 2023 Drake dream alive. It ain't happening.

It definitely looks real I agree, but it doesn't mean that the H1 2023 Drake is dead. Let people theorize and have hope