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mjayer said:
Can everyone start posting less? Past few days have been insane lol.

I’m in the camp that ZOLED means nothing in regards to Switch 2 release. I’m not sure why so many people are coming to that conclusion. Nintendo probably won’t even market it but it’ll sell well with a much cheaper price tag than Switch 2.

I still believe there’s a solid chance of a 3D Mario launch game coinciding with the movie and with Switch 2 trailer playing before the movie. It then makes the strange May TOTK release make more sense.

April - Switch 2 + New Mario 3D Mario
May - TOTK

What a 1, 2 punch to launch the system with, and utilize the movie for the marketing. It makes the push back of the movie make more since too, it was all part of the big marketing push.
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this is so fucking based
 
Skittzo said:
On the other hand even when we have no idea what is coming we don't usually hear from people that specifically "nothing big" is planned. It feels like they'd need a fair amount of confidence in whatever information they have to claim a negative like that.
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But aren't they really making those claims based on what they're not hearing? And just assuming the silence means there's nothing coming? Don't see how confident they can be in that.
 
mjayer said:
Can everyone start posting less? Past few days have been insane lol.

I’m in the camp that ZOLED means nothing in regards to Switch 2 release. I’m not sure why so many people are coming to that conclusion. Nintendo probably won’t even market it but it’ll sell well with a much cheaper price tag than Switch 2.

I still believe there’s a solid chance of a 3D Mario launch game coinciding with the movie and with Switch 2 trailer playing before the movie. It then makes the strange May TOTK release make more sense.

April - Switch 2 + New Mario 3D Mario
May - TOTK

What a 1, 2 punch to launch the system with, and utilize the movie for the marketing. It makes the push back of the movie make more since too, it was all part of the big marketing push.
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mjayer said:
Can everyone start posting less? Past few days have been insane lol.

I’m in the camp that ZOLED means nothing in regards to Switch 2 release. I’m not sure why so many people are coming to that conclusion. Nintendo probably won’t even market it but it’ll sell well with a much cheaper price tag than Switch 2.

I still believe there’s a solid chance of a 3D Mario launch game coinciding with the movie and with Switch 2 trailer playing before the movie. It then makes the strange May TOTK release make more sense.

April - Switch 2 + New Mario 3D Mario
May - TOTK

What a 1, 2 punch to launch the system with, and utilize the movie for the marketing. It makes the push back of the movie make more since too, it was all part of the big marketing push.
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We are not getting a 3D Mario game a month before Zelda. Very unlikely. It makes more sense to have a 3D Mario game later in the year during the holidays.
 
Magic-Man said:
Huh? How is making games for a console milking it? Why is the next console going to flop? I'm so confused.
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The Wii U did not have a big game launch with it namely Zelda. It also came out a tad too late. The Wii was also late to HD. At first it was all fine and dandy, but as time went on, it was a sticking point in the conversation for the general public. To the point where the name and brand became sour. The Wii U adopting the Wii name was a mistake because of that reason, and the confusing name (U) whether it’s a sequel or an add-on compound the problems. I’m sensing the same pattern again thats all I’m saying.

The Switch name hasn’t soured…yet but idk if that will last considering the performance conversations recently which is mirroring the exact narrative the Wii went through lol when the industry finally fully shifted to HD.
 
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Multiverse said:
The Wii U did not have a big game launch with it namely Zelda. It also came out a tad too late. The Wii was also late to HD. At first it was all fine and dandy, but as time went on, it was a sticking point in the conversation for the general public. To the point where the name and brand became sour. The Wii U adopting the Wii name was a mistake because of that reason. I’m sensing the same pattern again thats all I’m saying.

The Switch name hasn’t soured…yet but idk if that will last considering the performance conversations recently which is mirroring the exact narrative the Wii went though lol with HD.
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That wasn't the problem with the Wii U. At all. The main problem was the confusing marketing so nobody knew what it was. And there's other titles they can launch a system with that aren't Zelda. Namely 3D Mario.
 
YolkFolk said:
I can’t believe you had to explain this.

There’s precedent already on PS5 with this. Despite the PS5 being BC, despite there being a remaster patch, they still release the actual remastered version on a disk.

All I’m saying is I can see Nintendo doing exactly the same thing. So many Nintendo fans would buy a boxed copy of the remastered version and especially those who held out on the original release. Nintendo will milk it as much as possible.
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The PS5 is a poorly designed system where games can't become fully native with just a patch. It's not really a good example.
 
My Prediction on Next Nintendo Console First Party Line-Up:
Launch Title:
Metroid Prime 4 (Will also come out on Switch)
Monolith Soft New Title
Nintendo EPD New Title (Mario Kart/Arms Team)
Everybody's 1-2

Within 12 Months of Launch:
New Mario 3D Game
Pokemon SV 3rd version or Ultimate Edition
Some Kirby Game
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Definitive Edition
Bayonetta 3 Definitive Edition
Astral Chain 2/PG New IP
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
It launched in 2017 because it was delayed 5-6 months from its originally planned release timing, which was aiming for Holiday 2016.

And we know this because of leaked documentation about their target being Holiday 2016, not 2017. And it was delayed because they had no games ready.
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Yep, this is correct, I think Nintendo even tweeted it out:
 
Didn't we have a different Funcle saying a new model would go into production in January??? and also i still in the belief that if we only have a dedicated Tears of the kingdom direct between now and release, then Nintendo are definitely transitioning to a new console
 
Magic-Man said:
That wasn't the problem with the Wii U. At all. The main problem was the confusing marketing so nobody knew what it was. And there's other titles they can launch a system with that aren't Zelda. Namely 3D Mario.
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It's reductive to attempt to explain the Wii U's failure with one issue. There were many factors: the casual market which made up a lot of Wii sales were lost to mobile games (or just declining interest in gaming); the new hardware gimmick did not seem to interest many people; the marketing and name were bad; there weren't enough must-have games. All of these contributed
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
It launched in 2017 because it was delayed 5-6 months from its originally planned release timing, which was aiming for Holiday 2016.

And we know this because of leaked documentation about their target being Holiday 2016, not 2017. And it was delayed because they had no games ready.
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Yes, but the lesson learned here was that launching a new console during the holiday season isnt necessary.
 
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Skittzo said:
Sure, like I said they could just be wrong about that.

Just something I'm considering when I say H2 feels somewhat unlikely.
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Fair enough. It is at least interesting that two people said the same thing at the same time, even if that's kinda just how it always goes with Nintendo rumors.

Myself, I'll wait till E3 - unless the winter Direct makes their holiday plans clear enough. That last month should go by faster with Zelda out...
 
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NateDrake said:
With that being said: in the closing days of 2022, I'm going to reevaluate my time & participation on this site. Attempting to answer questions and partaking in the community is becoming an unpleasant affair &, frankly, one I can do without.
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I would fully understand if you decide to leave Nate, and in case you request your account to be closed I just want to say I'm very grateful you've given us your precious time.
 
unfortunate that Horizon (Forbidden West early build got leaked) is once again overshadowed by Zelda (OLED special edition leaked)

it would not be surprising to see Call of the Mountain get overshadowed by a TotK news drop in a Direct
 
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Serif said:
I have no regrets with my H1 2023 prediction. It was a deduction based on the available clues at the time. More clues have surface that weaken it, but that's the name of the game.
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Oh, it was for sure a reasonable prediction. Those who come in here to gloat when news like this drops (in some cases, only posting on Famiboards to do so) forget that being eventually proved wrong doesn't make your initial prediction bad

I would even argue that at a certain point (not recently, to be clear) 2024 and beyond was a bad prediction based on not much evidence. The fact that it seems to have panned out that way doesn't change the fact that these people were going off pessimism and gut, not any actual evidence
 
Hosermess said:
But aren't they really making those claims based on what they're not hearing? And just assuming the silence means there's nothing coming? Don't see how confident they can be in that.
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Are they? I don't think they said exactly why they're making these claims. If they just haven't heard of much I wouldn't think they'd be confident enough to claim nothing big is coming.
NintenDuvo said:
Didn't we have a different Funcle saying a new model would go into production in January??? and also i still in the belief that if we only have a dedicated Tears of the kingdom direct between now and release, then Nintendo are definitely transitioning to a new console
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One uncle, not sure which, has recently said that production orders are starting up again very soon and in extremely high gear, surprisingly so for this time of year. Not sure what track record this uncle has or what that means.
Serif said:
I have no regrets with my H1 2023 prediction. It was a deduction based on the available clues at the time. More clues have surface that weaken it, but that's the name of the game.
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Yep, 100%. We follow the clues and evidence wherever they lead. They were leading to H1 2023, now they're kinda leading away as we get new clues and evidence.
 
As before, with the Splatoon special edition, I don't think these things really change the calculation very much. Nintendo can get kinda weirdly chaotic with them at times, and it's not like a new system is going to launch with a special edition.
 
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Based on the post made by @mjayer, this is my semi sarcastic prediction if 2023 still happens, but with Nintendo's usual animosity towards their fans thrown in.

April 7th - Mario Movie release, they use the movie trailers to advertise a new 3d Mario game coming in November.

April 21st - There's a lot of chatter around the Mario game looking too good on 4k cinema screens to be on standard switch hardware, Nintendo states that they have no plans for new switch hardware.

April 28th - TotK OLED Model is released.

May 12th - TotK releases, immediately secures the title of one of the greatest games of all time.

May 18th - Nintendo Talks about the DLC Road map for TotK, Master Mode launches in September, they also announce another presentation for the following week.

May 25th - Presentation detailing the switch 2, generational leap, launching in September along side the master mode patch which will also feature a next gen patch. TotK OLED owners feel betrayed, Nintendo wipes their eyes with Yen. Also the launch title is the rumoured metroid prime remaster, though its more like a complete remake, it uses some RT effects to really showcase what the system can do. They are following the formula they had with dread and the OLED.

Switch 2 launches in the holidays with tons of third party exclusives like native resident evil titles, the latest assassins creed games, Elden Ring etc whilst Mariko owners get cloud versions. Mario and Zelda look incredible on the new hardware and run 720p docked on switch, achieved using temporal upscaling from 540p.
 
Skittzo said:
Are they? I don't think they said exactly why they're making these claims. If they just haven't heard of much I wouldn't think they'd be confident enough to claim nothing big is coming.
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I believe at least Dring has specified that his statement is due to some sort of lack of event booking, which is a pretty head-scratching reason to make that prediction.
 
NateDrake said:
I appreciate the words of support here & elsewhere in the thread/forum by some folks.

The attacks of being called a scammer (I've scammed people of what? Their time?) or a clout chaser have grown tired. The few dollars a month the podcast brings is far from a "business". It's a side project for fun & has no impact on my day to day life. I have never sought credit or attention with the information I've shared. A year ago, I was called a liar over Fire Emblem Engage because it wasn't in the first Direct of 2022. Then the game was announced and confirmed the details I shared months prior to any leak surfacing. I remained labeled a liar.

With that being said: in the closing days of 2022, I'm going to reevaluate my time & participation on this site. Attempting to answer questions and partaking in the community is becoming an unpleasant affair &, frankly, one I can do without.
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Just make sure you communicate with me still. I’m not like a lot of other people online lol.
 
Sol said:
And if a successor isn't coming out until 2024....why would it be Drake? At that point, Nvidia's Blackwell GPUs will be available for consumers, along with far more powerful and efficient CPU cores than the A78. If NIntendo isn't releasing a new console until 2024, then it shouldn't be running an Ampere GPU and A78 CPU cores from 2020.

It would be similar to the PS5 and Series X releasing with their Zen 2 cores and RDNA 2 GPUs in 2024 instead of 2020. At that point, there is much better tech available.
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It would be behind the potential, but to a business there are definite advantages to going with something that now exists rather than starting over.
 
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Selarmor said:
I thought BotW was delayed from Holiday 2016 to March to coincide with the Switch launch. You're saying it was the other way around?
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Yes, it was the other way.

See below
the_marmolade said:
Yep, this is correct, I think Nintendo even tweeted it out:
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Nintendo NX mass production postpones to early 2017

Nintendo's next-generation game console, the Nintendo NX is scheduled to enter mass production in early 2017, delaying about half a year from the company's original mass production plan in the mid-2016. Sources from the related upstream supply chain pointed out that the delay was because...
www.digitimes.com

Nintendo's next-generation game console, the Nintendo NX is scheduled to enter mass production in early 2017, delaying about half a year from the company's original mass production plan in the mid-2016. Sources from the related upstream supply chain pointed out that the delay was because Nintendo wished to enhance the game console's video-game/handheld-game-integrated gaming experience and add virtual reality (VR) function into the system to gain advantages in the upcoming video game and mobile game competitions.


The sources pointed out that the Nintendo NX combines the video gaming experience with the mobile gaming experience.The device features a 5- to 7-inch display, controller and joystick for users to play as a mobile gaming product, but it is also able to connect to a TV for users to play as a video game system. Nintendo is now planning to add VR function to the device to satisfy the popular trend in the gaming market.

Nintendo's order volume for the game console has also been reduced. Nintendo originally planned to order 20 million units for the first year, but its shipment target is now only 9.5-10 million units. The sources believe the reduction was due to the fact that video game console market has been shrinking and concerns triggered by its Wii U's unsatisfactory shipment performance of two million units in 2015.
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Goodtwin said:
Yes, but the lesson learned here was that launching a new console during the holiday season isnt necessary.
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I’m not sure why bring this up, they clearly had a desire (more than once!) to launch in a holiday.
 
Skittzo said:
Are they? I don't think they said exactly why they're making these claims. If they just haven't heard of much I wouldn't think they'd be confident enough to claim nothing big is coming.
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It seems to me that they're just answering questions or chiming in on the topic de jour. Not that they've suddenly come across any info they just had to share.

They haven't heard that there is nothing, they just haven't heard that there is something.
 
iNess said:
For me, the biggest clue to the future of Nintendo is its Twitter banner on the official Japanese account.

https://twitter.com/Nintendo/header_photo

I will go against the recent statements of the DF, the so-called Nvidia leaks, and since they are trying to force a fake news as real, if they focus on the Tegra T239, it would be a SOM or, for the forum, a SoC that is finishing testing in the Today to enter production in factories, some say that the OLED was going to have this chip, if that were the case, it was impossible to launch the OLED in 2021 with a chip that has not yet entered mass production in 2022. In that case, it would be that Nintendo advance a revision without its core that was not ready yet? If we focus on the year 2020, it was a year in which, due to sanitary measures, many facilities were closed for a long time. In the case of video game development, they focused on teleworking to navigate the temporary closures in the offices, but it is possible that the Investigation and development of Nintendo saw its activities suspended almost entirely, since taking a laboratory home is delicate, what this team should have done is the Investigation part, and the development postponed. In the research part, it is normal to test various parts, including various processors, and I think perhaps from various companies.

Anyone who knows business knows that no company limits itself in commercial agreements and even more so when you are the one who buys the parts, so it is not impossible to change the manufacturer of the GPU.

Therefore, the development of the tangible successor console should have been directly affected by the sanitary measures, hence the benefit in sales has allowed Nintendo to conveniently extend the life of Switch. And for me the OLED was always planned as a revision that improves the screen, sound and connectivity. There is something I call the convergence moment that Xbox has already started and that Nintendo may choose to follow soon, and that is the distribution of its software without a tangible Nintendo-branded processing system, in other words the sale of a service with a controller.
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So you are thinking Cloud gaming from Nintendo for now until the have the next gen hardware out?
 
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As I 2024 believer, I'm not surprised with that possible bundle.

Also, I believe that zelda isn't the last big title for the switch. I'm pretty confident that the next title from the team behind Odyssey will also land on OG switch.

And maybe Mario Kart 10 (I believe Nintendo considers mk Tour as mk9) will be exclusive to switch 2, but even then I'm not sure (I'll be confident it will if we see an ARMS 2 before the next MK - which wouldn't surprise me at all)
 
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Dark Cloud said:
Just make sure you communicate with me still. I’m not like a lot of other people online lol.
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Kenka said:
Well, the first line is in English and the second in French. I suppose this box was meant to be sold in either Canada or Western Africa.


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No? That's the box used in:
Benelux
Switzerland
Ireland (Republic of)
United Kingdom
Gibraltar

Among others.

Definitely the European box.
 
Multiverse said:
The Wii U did not have a big game launch with it namely Zelda. It also came out a tad too late. The Wii was also late to HD. At first it was all fine and dandy, but as time went on, it was a sticking point in the conversation for the general public. To the point where the name and brand became sour. The Wii U adopting the Wii name was a mistake because of that reason, and the confusing name whether it’s a sequel or an add on compound the problems. I’m sensing the same pattern again thats all I’m saying.

The Switch name hasn’t soured…yet but idk if that will last considering the performance conversations recently which is mirroring the exact narrative the Wii went through lol when the industry finally fully shifted to HD.
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  • Performance was the furthest of Wii’s problems late into its lifecycle. I’m not really seeing correlation between it not doing HD to the current of 4k
  • WiiU’s problems began at the conception stage. Nothing short of being a different device would have solved any of its issues regardless of how Wii did
I am not seeing the similarities with those two devices & the Switch. Hardware remains strong while software exceeds something neither the Wii/U had in their favor 6yrs in. Can that change sure but nothing is really indicating that so far.
 
Raccoon said:
even assuming that it's an incredible masterpiece, it's a very direct sequel made at the same visual fidelity as its predecessor with seemingly very similar gameplay and the same open world.
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Yeah I've been kinda weird about TotK being a launch game for Drake for any reason other than brand recognition. The suggestion that it'd be a showcase for the new system when it's built from a Wii U game, just seemed a little less than ideal for me. A better visual showcase would in my opinion be something like Metroid Prime, a new sandbox Mario, or...

Pikmin

mjayer said:
I still believe there’s a solid chance of a 3D Mario launch game coinciding with the movie and with Switch 2 trailer playing before the movie. It then makes the strange May TOTK release make more sense.

April - Switch 2 + New Mario 3D Mario
May - TOTK

What a 1, 2 punch to launch the system with, and utilize the movie for the marketing. It makes the push back of the movie make more since too, it was all part of the big marketing push.
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Ya know what
Since a gold Zelda-themed Switch is something I've wanted for years (and is the reason I even began following Switch Pro rumors), and if @Raccoon's rule that Nintendo will always do the thing that makes us sad holds up, then Ninty finally releasing the Zelda Switch I want but as an OLED model while near-simultaneously releasing the Drake system actually tracks. 🤣
Because that's what would make me sad

Serif said:
I have no regrets with my H1 2023 prediction. It was a deduction based on the available clues at the time. More clues have surface that weaken it, but that's the name of the game.
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Speaking of those clues, if all this stuff from the last week holds true, what does that mean about the chips that we know from pretty good evidence are close to production if not already in production? The thing people said wouldn't make sense to do: stockpile chips for a year or two, Nintendo's gonna actually do it? The people taking victory laps across multiple threads on this site insisting "late 2024 at the earliest" would mean.. Drake is is production and will sit in a warehouse for a 1.5 to 2 years..?

I don't wanna be a punk but it seems to me we have solid stuff that very, very smart and knowledgeable people in this thread got from the Nvidia leaks and the Linux stuff and yet because of a special edition OLED people are now coming in going "lol told you not to listen to insiders" and I'm just like.. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Selarmor said:
Where is it stated that Switch was delayed to coincide with Zelda? That source makes it sound like it was delayed for reasons inherent to its production.
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I remember the Nintendo president at the time (Kimishima) said the Switch was delayed for software reasons.
 
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chocolate_supra said:
Yeah I've been kinda weird about TotK being a launch game for Drake for any reason other than brand recognition. The suggestion that it'd be a showcase for the new system when it's built from a Wii U game, just seemed a little less than ideal for me. A better visual showcase would in my opinion be something like Metroid Prime, a new sandbox Mario,
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Strongly disagree. BOTW 2 would be a great showcase for Drake imo, with vastly enhanced resolution, draw distance, lod and 60fps.
 
Skittzo said:
Oh then we're misunderstanding each other, I was 100% referring to the mishap earlier that summer. I thought you were too.


I'm still not understanding how this supports the idea that a Drake revision was cancelled though. We're still in the window of late 2022-2023.
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I'm not saying the Drake revision was cancelled either.

I’m saying that I don’t know anything till more reporting comes out, but that I find the idea of a pre-Drake, non-TX1 revision more plausible than others do, and that Nvidia’s launch plan for Orin Nano makes a lot more sense if there was.
 
Hermii said:
Strongly disagree. BOTW 2 would be a great showcase for Drake imo, with vastly enhanced resolution, draw distance, lod and 60fps.
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imo those would be switch pro selling points. for switch 2 they'll want to show something totally new, and I think the long-awaited 3D Mario will be it
 
oldpuck said:
I'm not saying the Drake revision was cancelled either.

I’m saying that I don’t know anything till more reporting comes out, but that I find the idea of a pre-Drake, non-TX1 revision more plausible than others do, and that Nvidia’s launch plan for Orin Nano makes a lot more sense if there was.
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How would it make sense to use a binned chip for Nintendo?
 
Regarding BotW's release timing, my understanding is that Zelda did indeed need to be pushed out of 2016 by itself, but this may have been impacted by the extra work required to port it to the Switch. If Aonuma is to be believed, the port work didn't begin in the first place until March 2016, which is kinda crazy.

The build date for the 1.0 version of BotW is December 26th, 2016. This lines up with the dev staff throwing a party over the game going gold in January 2017. Could they have rushed it out earlier if the Switch released in November? Maybe, but even in the timeline we got, the Switch version got a large optimization patch a month after release. My guess is that at the very least, the Switch version of BotW needed that much time in the oven, especially once you factor in the lead time for printing and shipping physical game carts.
 
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A Special Edition of Zelda will not affect Drake at all if its planned. These are for collectors and they will buy the shit out of it - and Drake too in that case.

A Zelda LE is very special so it could release in March or February. Drake launches with Zelda in May then.

Right before the PS5 the PS 4 Pro also got a Special Edition for Last of Us 2. So chill down!
 
CypressFX said:
A Special Edition of Zelda will not affect Drake at all if its planned. These are for collectors and they will buy the shit out of it - and Drake too in that case.

A Zelda LE is very special so it could release in March or February. Drake launches with Zelda in May then.

Right before the PS5 the PS 4 Pro also got a Special Edition for Last of Us 2. So chill down!
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Would they release the special edition before the game being launched though?
 
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