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2024 it is then. I don’t see why they’d launch it in 2023 if it isn’t launching with Zelda.
It’s been a long road and from the looks of it is getting even longer but imagine how nice it’ll be when we finally see the Switch 2 actually revealed. I’m looking forward to it.
 
2024 it is then. I don’t see why they’d launch it in 2023 if it isn’t launching with Zelda.
It’s been a long road and from the looks of it is getting even longer but imagine how nice it’ll be when we finally see the Switch 2 actually revealed. I’m looking forward to it.
Because they could have something else to launch it with in late 2023, like Mario?
 
The funniest part of the successor/TotK discussion is that some people are expecting the game to perform like Pokemon Scarlet. It won't be 4k or 60fps but it'll perform like or even better than BOTW(will likely need patches too).
 
The funniest part of the successor/TotK discussion is that some people are expecting the game to perform like Pokemon Scarlet. It won't be 4k or 60fps but it'll perform like or even better than BOTW(will likely need patches too).
I don't think those folks were interesting in discussion anyway. as soon as steam deck came out, they had all the excuse they needed
 
Not going to be a port lol.

Here’s our new 4K system. Here’s a boxed 720p port of the OG Switch version which you can already play through BC.

It’ll 100% get a remaster.
Nah Nintendo doesn't remaster games that just released. It'll 100% be a patch.

Remember BC on Drake won't be native, it will likely be easier to patch the cross-gen games to run natively on new hardware then it would to ensure they all run perfectly in BC mode.
 
Nah Nintendo doesn't remaster games that just released. It'll 100% be a patch.

Remember BC on Drake won't be native, it will likely be easier to patch the cross-gen games to run natively on new hardware then it would to ensure they all run perfectly in BC mode.

Nintendo doesn’t remaster games that just came out because they’ve never had the opportunity too. The only chance they got was Wii to Wii U and that was a fairly complex situation that predates the modern remaster trend.
 
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Because they could have something else to launch it with in late 2023, like Mario?
That’s definitely possible but I personally don’t see that happening. Considering how well the March launch went for them I think they’d want to avoid the big holiday competition with the other consoles when launching their new system.
 
Nah Nintendo doesn't remaster games that just released. It'll 100% be a patch.

Remember BC on Drake won't be native, it will likely be easier to patch the cross-gen games to run natively on new hardware then it would to ensure they all run perfectly in BC mode.

Won’t be a remaster but will be a patch? Eh? It can’t be one or the other.

They’ll have a boxed release like with all other Zelda remakes and remasters. Same as how The Last of Us Remastered came to PS4. Doesn’t matter how long it’s been out. They‘ll be a huge thirst for this release.

A lot of the games getting patches on PS5 are also seeing boxed releases as well despite BC. It’ll be the same with BotW/TotK on Switch 2.

Backwards Compatible
Remaster Patch
Remaster Boxed

These things are often not just patches and Nintendo will want to double milk TotK as much as possible.

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That’s definitely possible but I personally don’t see that happening. Considering how well the March launch went for them I think they’d want to avoid the big holiday competition with the other consoles when launching their new system.
They didn’t know if the Switch would even be a success. They should have more confidence this time around and I doubt they’d have trouble selling every unit they could make in time for a holiday launch.
 
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Won’t be a remaster but will be a patch? Eh? It can’t be one or the other.

They’ll have a boxed release like with all other Zelda remakes and remasters. Same as how The Last of Us Remastered came to PS4. Doesn’t matter how long it’s been out. They‘ll be a huge thirst for this release.

A lot of the games getting patches on PS5 are also seeing boxed releases as well despite BC. It’ll be the same with BotW/TotK on Switch 2.

Backwards Compatible
Remaster Patch
Remaster Boxed
I'm saying it won't be a separate remaster release. Unless they've drastically changed the direction they've been heading in for 8+ years it'll be a single release that will play with one setting on Switch and another setting on Drake.
 
Won’t be a remaster but will be a patch? Eh? It can’t be one or the other.

They’ll have a boxed release like with all other Zelda remakes and remasters. Same as how The Last of Us Remastered came to PS4. Doesn’t matter how long it’s been out. They‘ll be a huge thirst for this release.

A lot of the games getting patches on PS5 are also seeing boxed releases as well despite BC. It’ll be the same with BotW/TotK on Switch 2.

Backwards Compatible
Remaster Patch
Remaster Boxed
So a port then lol. Not seeing how a boxed release is gonna be considered a remaster nor how the patch is also a remaster.
 
So a port then lol. Not seeing how a boxed release is gonna be considered a remaster nor how the patch is also a remaster.

What are you even talking about?

Witcher 3 on PS5 is a remaster of the last gen version and has a boxed release and a patch.

I’m saying Zelda, in the exact same way, will have a boxed release on Switch 2 with the 4K 60fps version (a remaster) on the cart and also have a patch for those who don’t already have the game.

It’s really not complicated and is already happening with PS5.

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wonder what happened to that polygon guy lol. followed him, checked my news feed and all his posts are gone right around the time of this OLED being leaked...
 
The funniest part of the successor/TotK discussion is that some people are expecting the game to perform like Pokemon Scarlet. It won't be 4k or 60fps but it'll perform like or even better than BOTW(will likely need patches too).
The best comparison should be XC2 to XC3 for the TotK discussion.
 
What are you even talking about?

Witcher 3 on PS5 is a remaster of the last gen version and has a boxed release and a patch.

I’m saying Zelda, in the exact same way, will have a boxed release on Switch 2 with the 4K 60fps version (a remaster) on the cart and also have a patch.


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And, what I’m telling you is your boxed release & the patch ain’t a remaster so what are you talking about
 
I'm saying it won't be a separate remaster release. Unless they've drastically changed the direction they've been heading in for 8+ years it'll be a single release that will play with one setting on Switch and another setting on Drake.

Which direction is this? I don’t recall ever downloading a remaster patch for a Switch game.

Never mind, you’ve been shooting me down all week about me saying Switch 2 likely wasn’t coming early next year. I guess this is no different…
 
The funniest part of the successor/TotK discussion is that some people are expecting the game to perform like Pokemon Scarlet. It won't be 4k or 60fps but it'll perform like or even better than BOTW(will likely need patches too).
Of course it won't perform like Pokemon Scarlet. Nothing first-party should be so bad to be quite frank.

But it will look something like this

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Obviously there are better stills from the trailers, but that to me illustrates the geometry and texture quality we can expect. And that's a real shame this many years after BOTW. For me anyway.
 
Could Nintendo still release Drake next year even with a SE OLED? Also, Is it true that Switch v2 is being discontinued?
In the scenario where Drake releases before or alongside TotK, no, it doesn't make so much sense. If the game is cross-gen, why promote the older console with a special edition if the game is a showcase for the new console you're trying to sell?

But holiday 2023? I think that's technically still on the table. It feels unlikely, but I can't back that up with any arguments.
 
A port is the same game released on another platform. A remastered is one with several improvement/extra content.
I know the differences but I don’t think the boxed version will be a remaster just a port that can be brute forced for better performance. And, the upgrade I don’t really consider a remaster either.

Unless we wanna sit here & say that the BOTW Switch version is also a remaster.
 
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Which direction is this? I don’t recall ever downloading a remaster patch for a Switch game.

Never mind, you’ve been shooting me down all week about me saying Switch 2 likely wasn’t coming early next year. I guess this is no different…
Uh interesting entirely unrelated argument there...

I'm saying that since 2014 they've been crystal clear about their strategy going forward relying less on individual hardware and more on software ecosystems. The idea that they'll put out a separate TotK remaster (I'm assuming you mean one that will not work with base Switch) runs contrary to that idea.

They will want the transition to be as simple as possible, which will mean you buy the game and it will play one way on one console and another way on another console.
 
A port is the same game released on another platform. A remastered is one with several improvement/extra content.

I can’t believe you had to explain this.

There’s precedent already on PS5 with this. Despite the PS5 being BC, despite there being a remaster patch, they still release the actual remastered version on a disk.

All I’m saying is I can see Nintendo doing exactly the same thing. So many Nintendo fans would buy a boxed copy of the remastered version and especially those who held out on the original release. Nintendo will milk it as much as possible.
 
I'm not sure thing Zelda OLED edition really changes much. The premise for Switch 2 alongside Zelda TotK was that OG Switch would continue to sell and be supported for a couple additional years. Switch 2 wouldn't need a special edition to sell well, but a special edition OG Switch OLED does make sense. Its still a coin flip until the next Nintendo Direct. If it hasn't been announced by then it wont be coming in 2023. We will know definitively in less than two months.

From what I've read BotW was ported from the Wii U late in development with little to no Switch specific optimizations.
Very true. Wii U had 1GB of available memory available where as Switch has 3.5GB. Zelda BoTW was designed around that 1GB memory limitation. That alone is a big advantage for TotK. The Switch can also use half precision shaders, something Wii U could not do. It is also likely that the gameplay loop ran on a single CPU core with BotW. The Wii U CPU could not communicate effectively across all CPU cores. They had designated one of the CPU cores to be the main core and gave it 2-3x the L2 cache. The A57 CPU cores by comparison can fully multi thread allowing the work load to more evenly be distributed.
I wonder about the viability of Xenoblade 3's temporal upsampling for TotK so we could get a reconstructed 1080p. Maybe have a higher resolution starting point instead of 544p, if that could address the artifacts.
Monolithsoft was heavily involved in the development of BotW and they certainly are again with TotK. Nintendo had actually filed a patent on their image reconstruction technology back in 2021 and this is most certainly what was used in in XC3. XC3 has a final output of 1080p docked, but as someone who has played it for nearly 100 hours, it is a very soft image. This does not look like a crisp 1080p image, but it does look clean. If the Zelda team can keep the rendering resolution north of 720P, then this image reconstruction technology should present something that looks clean. Like XB3 it will likely be a little soft, but the art style in Zelda plays nice with that.
 
I can’t believe you had to explain this.

There’s precedent already on PS5 with this. Despite the PS5 being BC, despite there being a remaster patch, they still release the actual remastered version on a disk.

All I’m saying is I can see Nintendo doing exactly the same thing. So many Nintendo fans would buy a boxed copy of the remastered version and especially those who held out on the original release. Nintendo will milk it as much as possible.
They replied and I was going to answer but it's bad faith argument. I won't waste my time.

And most likely the Drake one will have the DLC content when it releases as well.
 
Uh interesting entirely unrelated argument there...

I'm saying that since 2014 they've been crystal clear about their strategy going forward relying less on individual hardware and more on software ecosystems. The idea that they'll put out a separate TotK remaster (I'm assuming you mean one that will not work with base Switch) runs contrary to that idea.

They will want the transition to be as simple as possible, which will mean you buy the game and it will play one way on one console and another way on another console.

They made a quote years and years ago.
We’ve seen absolutely nothing to indicate this to be happening. We’re already seeing the cancelling of a pro, likely to focus on the true successor. Switch 2 games will have their own boxes. Just like how PS5 games do. Witcher 3 has its own PS4 box. Remastered Witcher 3 on PS5 has its own box too. It’s highly likely that Nintendo will release remasters in boxes as well in order to get the extra cash.

I think you’re still wrapped up in this iPhone upgrade idea that just doesn’t look to be happening.
 
The only thing that's possibly a better launch title for new gen than Zelda is Mario. Zelda getting a special OLED instead and also a lot of games having DLC ending next year is pretty close to a hard confirmation that 2023 is a wash, not to mention the rumors that the year's going to be relatively quiet for Nintendo (even if I don't buy them 100%). If V2 is getting discontinued I'd say that 2024 is looking pretty likely, but the same was said of 2021 and 2023 so I don't know how to feel anymore
 
They made a quote years and years ago.
We’ve seen absolutely nothing to indicate this to be happening. We’re already seeing the cancelling of a pro, likely to focus on the true successor. Switch 2 games will have their own boxes. Just like how PS5 games do. Witcher 3 has its own PS4 box. Remastered Witcher 3 on PS5 has its own box too. It’s highly likely that Nintendo will release remasters in boxes as well in order to get the extra cash.

I think you’re still wrapped up in this iPhone upgrade idea that just doesn’t look to be happening.
You're not understanding the purpose of this philosophy.

They have no viable way to continue making hardware WITHOUT doing a shared ecosystem. Drake is not going to be natively compatible with Erista/Mariko, there is no way to prevent that, the underlying technology behind the GPU architecture ensures this. What that means is they will need to create a shared software ecosystem that can handle playing the same games on different products.

The only other option is no BC at all.
 
Here's a bold claim: Since No new Switch is confirmed for TotK, that means Nintendo has a new gimmick involved with the "Switch 2" that would stem further than stronger hardware.
 
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Switch Oled ToK Edition is to give one last push to the current console. Following, announcement of Switch Drake. Christmas 2023 is still on the table, but 2024 sees his chances increasing.
Early 2023 (Nate's prediction) is now out of discussions
 
I don't think those folks were interesting in discussion anyway. as soon as steam deck came out, they had all the excuse they needed

Irony will be when DF says the game looks and runs up to standard but announces drops to 720p in docked mode which will cause uproar.
 
You're not understanding the purpose of this philosophy.

They have no viable way to continue making hardware WITHOUT doing a shared ecosystem. Drake is not going to be natively compatible with Erista/Mariko, there is no way to prevent that, the underlying technology behind the GPU architecture ensures this. What that means is they will need to create a shared software ecosystem that can handle playing the same games on different products.

The only other option is no BC at all.

Account bet -

Tears of the Kingdom has a boxed remastered ‘next system branded’ release on the next system.
 
You're not understanding the purpose of this philosophy.

They have no viable way to continue making hardware WITHOUT doing a shared ecosystem. Drake is not going to be natively compatible with Erista/Mariko, there is no way to prevent that, the underlying technology behind the GPU architecture ensures this. What that means is they will need to create a shared software ecosystem that can handle playing the same games on different products.

The only other option is no BC at all.
I hate to say it but I'm inclined to believe that Iwata's legacy died with him. They tried an iPhone model, as we've just heard it didn't work, and now they're doubling down on generations.

I expect a backwards compatibility more similar to other contemporary consoles than Nintendo's past.
 
I'm not sure thing Zelda OLED edition really changes much. The premise for Switch 2 alongside Zelda TotK was that OG Switch would continue to sell and be supported for a couple additional years. Switch 2 wouldn't need a special edition to sell well, but a special edition OG Switch OLED does make sense. Its still a coin flip until the next Nintendo Direct. If it hasn't been announced by then it wont be coming in 2023. We will know definitively in less than two months.
I disagree with this. Putting out a special edition version of the previous console on the same day as a new one is just silly and will undoubtedly create tons of confusion.

Logistically speaking it would be a bad idea too because every TotK special edition they ship will take the place of a new Drake Switch that they are much more interested in selling. I think it's pretty much a nail in the coffin here, assuming those images are not fake.
 
I hate to say it but I'm inclined to believe that Iwata's legacy died with him. They tried an iPhone model, as we've just heard it didn't work, and now they're doubling down on generations.

I expect a backwards compatibility more similar to other contemporary consoles than Nintendo's past.

I agree. With some games releasing on both, like how God of War is on PS4 and PS5.
 
In my understanding, remaster is an improvement made in the graphics of the game after it has already been released, so they rework some parts like textures and effects.
TotK was most likely already made thinking about the next hardware, even if they don't release together. Textures and effects in 4K, as well as a build with DLSS are most likely already ready.
Nobody called The Witcher 3 on Ps4 Pro and XOneX a "remaster" because all that was done was to add the textures and effects that already existed, had already been created during the development of the game, but The Witcher of PS5 is a remaster because they went back and made new textures, remodeled some objects, added more grass where it didn't exist, etc...
 
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Tears of the Kingdom has a boxed remastered ‘next system branded’ release on the next system.
I'll bet all of my famicoins, sure.
I hate to say it but I'm inclined to believe that Iwata's legacy died with him. They tried an iPhone model, as we've just heard it didn't work, and now they're doubling down on generations.

I expect a backwards compatibility more similar to other contemporary consoles than Nintendo's past.
They did? A mid gen revision is not the iPhone model. It's what they've done with all of their handhelds in the past.

Again just speaking from a technological perspective there is no way forward- if they want BC- than to enact Iwata's plan. It simply isn't technically possible.
 
I hate to say it but I'm inclined to believe that Iwata's legacy died with him. They tried an iPhone model, as we've just heard it didn't work, and now they're doubling down on generations.

I expect a backwards compatibility more similar to other contemporary consoles than Nintendo's past.
The way MS and Sony do it is pretty much exactly what we expect though. Full BC with select games getting enhancement patches (Paid or free, the method is irrelevant).
 
I hate to say it but I'm inclined to believe that Iwata's legacy died with him. They tried an iPhone model, as we've just heard it didn't work, and now they're doubling down on generations.

I expect a backwards compatibility more similar to other contemporary consoles than Nintendo's past.
In what way did they try the an iPhone model? In what way are they doubling down on gens? Sony said there were gens too & had to walk back that statement really quick.
In my understanding, remaster is an improvement made in the graphics of the game after it has already been released, so they rework some parts like textures and effects.
TotK was most likely already made thinking about the next hardware, even if they don't release together. Textures and effects in 4K, as well as a build with DLSS are most likely already ready.
Nobody called The Witcher 3 on Ps4 Pro and XOneX a "remaster" because all that was done was to add the textures and effects that already existed, had already been created during the development of the game, but The Witcher of PS5 is a remaster because they went back and made new textures, remodeled some objects, added more grass where it didn't exist, etc...
Which is why I see it more of a port if that version comes out. The upgrade is also just a port too me since I just think it’ll just update resolution & performance.
 
Wait, so why would Nintendo release Drake and a new OLED model so close to each other?
Because they would cater to different audiences and likely sell out anyway?

Not saying it's definitely happening or it cannot be taken as a hint that a 2023 new hardware is not happening, but it's not definitive proof as I see it.

The big elephant in the room is still the proven existence and status of T239 which very much feels locked for a 2023 release.
Plans can change, but to change at this moment would mean something horrible happened. That's what I fear most TBH. Plus I don' think it would be a good strategy to let Switch go through 2024 with no successor in sight. Losing momentum as with the Wii is still a risk that should be avoided at any cost.
 
I hate to say it but I'm inclined to believe that Iwata's legacy died with him. They tried an iPhone model, as we've just heard it didn't work, and now they're doubling down on generations.

I expect a backwards compatibility more similar to other contemporary consoles than Nintendo's past.
It's more that Iwata's talk about a phone model was taken as gospel and not just executive jargon used for the sake of comparison, Switch still has 4 separate models to choose from that launched across 6-7 years
 
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