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StarTopic Pokémon Scarlet & Pokémon Violet |ST| Who You Callin' Paldea, Friend?

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Tangerine_Cookie said:
They need to adopt a variant of the level scaling system Fallout 76 had, where enemies that are higher level than you stay higher level, but if your level is higher than theirs it scales to your level.

I could see this being a pain for quick catching early game pokemon once you're higher level, though. So they might need to play with catch rate.
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One problem I can see them running into with that is the badge thresholds. You can get into some real trouble if your own Pokémon start outleveling your obedience.
 
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StephenNParker said:
Just a little rant over one complaint I see again and again and again at least get more popular since SwSh.

Just a head up, this is not a rant about any legitimate criticism again the whole "how Pokemon have little development time and could be better, etc", but just about one specific thing people like to say every time a new sales report comes out:
"nothing will change", "there is no reason GF will change", etc. things like this.

Pokemon SwSh sold 6m in 3 days (or 1 week): They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Expand the Wild Area concept introduced in the base game that a lot of hardcore fans (and returning fans) love to the whole "island" in DLC
GF: Turn 90 decree and make Legend Arceus, introducing new mechanics and core gameplay loop involving more action like catching, dodging, etc., turning the whole game into several Wild Areas.

Pokemon LA sold 6.5m in 6 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Make a whole game an open world that fans want instead make another SwSh again because you know, GF has no reason to change

Pokemon SV sold 10m in 3 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
I wonder what GF will do next because you know, they have no reason to change...
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Yes they've done a lot of changes all around but I believe people who complain about the lack of changes attribute this to the core gameplay of Pokémon fighting and catching, or rather that is how I read into it when I come accross people that say the gameplay never changed.
 
Lord Azrael said:
Breath of the Wild subconsciously urges you in that direction using a few tricks, sure, but there's literally nothing stopping you from going anywhere else first. Nothing can block you since you can climb anything.
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Technically AFAIK nothing's really stopping you in Scarlet / Violet, either, unless you want to argue that a lack of level scaling prevents you from going everywhere.

In that case, yes S/V very much is still an open world game. But level scaling could increase the viability of each potential destination as your first.
 
bellydrum said:
Technically AFAIK nothing's really stopping you in Scarlet / Violet, either, unless you want to argue that a lack of level scaling prevents you from going everywhere.

In that case, yes S/V very much is still an open world game. But level scaling could increase the viability of each potential destination as your first.
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There are a few areas I'm not sure you can get to without upgrades to old 'raidon, particularly the Northeast of the map. Though you might be able to drop down from the mountain if you can maneuver right.
 
Apopheniac said:
It's kinda lame that Nemona is supposed to be a reigning champion who's already got an ultimate team, but we mostly just see her progress with her starting team. Imo she should've been more like Hop and swapped around the Pokémon that weren't her starter or Pawmi to give the impression that she's pulling stuff from her boxes
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But she explicitly tells you multiple times that she is constantly shuffling around Pokemon from her boxes.

One time she catches you before a gym battle and says she'd love to battle you, but her team composition is currently oriented toward fighting the gym leader.

Another time she says she wants to battle, so she runs back to go change her Pokemon to fight you and suggests you fight the gym in the meantime.

I also want to point out that she isn't "the reigning Champion"; there are many Champions, but Nemona is just the youngest one. That's all
 
Weebos said:
There are a few areas I'm not sure you can get to without upgrades to old 'raidon, particularly the Northeast of the map. Though you might be able to drop down from the mountain if you can maneuver right.
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Nevertheless that doesn't change this from being an open world game
 
StephenNParker said:
Just a little rant over one complaint I see again and again and again at least get more popular since SwSh.

Just a head up, this is not a rant about any legitimate criticism again the whole "how Pokemon have little development time and could be better, etc", but just about one specific thing people like to say every time a new sales report comes out:
"nothing will change", "there is no reason GF will change", etc. things like this.

Pokemon SwSh sold 6m in 3 days (or 1 week): They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Expand the Wild Area concept introduced in the base game that a lot of hardcore fans (and returning fans) love to the whole "island" in DLC
GF: Turn 90 decree and make Legend Arceus, introducing new mechanics and core gameplay loop involving more action like catching, dodging, etc., turning the whole game into several Wild Areas.

Pokemon LA sold 6.5m in 6 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Make a whole game an open world that fans want instead make another SwSh again because you know, GF has no reason to change

Pokemon SV sold 10m in 3 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
I wonder what GF will do next because you know, they have no reason to change...
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Yeah I feel like "GameFreak doesn't change things up" is something rooted in like, the DS-3DS era where the games were indeed pretty similar in structure at least

The Switch era has been GameFreak trying out a whole bunch of stuff with each game. Even SwSh, in many ways the safest game in the franchise, brought the Wild Area to the table, that was clearly the first step GameFreak was making towards Arceus and S/V
 
StephenNParker said:
Just a little rant over one complaint I see again and again and again at least get more popular since SwSh.

Just a head up, this is not a rant about any legitimate criticism again the whole "how Pokemon have little development time and could be better, etc", but just about one specific thing people like to say every time a new sales report comes out:
"nothing will change", "there is no reason GF will change", etc. things like this.

Pokemon SwSh sold 6m in 3 days (or 1 week): They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Expand the Wild Area concept introduced in the base game that a lot of hardcore fans (and returning fans) love to the whole "island" in DLC
GF: Turn 90 decree and make Legend Arceus, introducing new mechanics and core gameplay loop involving more action like catching, dodging, etc., turning the whole game into several Wild Areas.

Pokemon LA sold 6.5m in 6 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Make a whole game an open world that fans want instead make another SwSh again because you know, GF has no reason to change

Pokemon SV sold 10m in 3 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
I wonder what GF will do next because you know, they have no reason to change...
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Lol. Yeah

Very indicative of a "lazy" dev team
 
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Yavga said:
Yes they've done a lot of changes all around but I believe people who complain about the lack of changes attribute this to the core gameplay of Pokémon fighting and catching, or rather that is how I read into it when I come accross people that say the gameplay never changed.
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I know what you mean but isn't that like most of the successful franchises out there? The same gameplay with 1-2 new gimmicks.
 
bellydrum said:
Nevertheless that doesn't change this from being an open world game
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Agreed. You can argue that it's not true, 100% open world if there are places you can't go immediately, but by that definition, what is? There are almost no games that fit that level of open world, period, even most games that people would call open world. Open doesn't just mean "you can go anywhere right off the bat"
 
StephenNParker said:
I know what you mean but isn't that like most of the successful franchises out there? The same gameplay with 1-2 new gimmicks.
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I think it's only logical to build further upon your success with the occasional tradition break, but Pokémon tackles this with other games like Pokémon Snap and the like.

I believe what the Zelda franchise did with Breath of the Wild (changing the Core) was a very daredevil move which turned out well for them but they could have failed just as much. Even to this day I see people not being happy with it not being a "true" Zelda, or just look at the fan reception of the modern Paper Mario franchise.

Pokémon just has a lot of attention and the complaints are easy to make articles and clickbait from, which gives the impression there is some sort of boycott going on and the game fails on all fronts but the truth is that the majority just enjoys the game and they have no reason to go and break the Internet, why seek negativity when you enjoy something?

And during the years the Pokémon franchise collected fans from all ages so naturally Gamefreak cannot please all of them at once, the best thing they can do is play it somewhat safe but I think they're doing fine, more than fine.

Of course there ARE things that could be better but Pokémon should stay Pokémon, we have sidegames for new experiments which, when succesfull could be incorporated in the main game.

So yes, agreed.
 
StephenNParker said:
Just a little rant over one complaint I see again and again and again at least get more popular since SwSh.

Just a head up, this is not a rant about any legitimate criticism again the whole "how Pokemon have little development time and could be better, etc", but just about one specific thing people like to say every time a new sales report comes out:
"nothing will change", "there is no reason GF will change", etc. things like this.

Pokemon SwSh sold 6m in 3 days (or 1 week): They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Expand the Wild Area concept introduced in the base game that a lot of hardcore fans (and returning fans) love to the whole "island" in DLC
GF: Turn 90 decree and make Legend Arceus, introducing new mechanics and core gameplay loop involving more action like catching, dodging, etc., turning the whole game into several Wild Areas.

Pokemon LA sold 6.5m in 6 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
GF: Make a whole game an open world that fans want instead make another SwSh again because you know, GF has no reason to change

Pokemon SV sold 10m in 3 days: They said GF doesn't have reason to change, they gonna do the same shit again.
I wonder what GF will do next because you know, they have no reason to change...
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As much as GF stumbles their way thru life, it does feel like people kind of no-sell them even harder than they most likely should, yeah. Like this game seems to have added "attacking, roaring, and getting damaged while swimming" animations for various previous water-type monsters, which is the kind of presentation effort you'd presume some would be happy about, but I haven't particularly seen anyone bring up these new assets.
 
After beating the game you can redo the Team Star gauntlets for LP, in case you loved mowing down waves of mons lol.

Also looks like you can redo some gym tests, just did some ESP Training and it got very hectic on Knockout mode.
 
Weebos said:
After beating the game you can redo the Team Star gauntlets for LP, in case you loved mowing down waves of mons lol.

Also looks like you can redo some gym tests, just did some ESP Training and it got very hectic on Knockout mode.
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The Star raids are a little odd, since they seem extremely easy and lenient while the actual leader battles are quite hard for their level. I just did the poison one and had no trouble at all with the 'KO 30 mons' part but the leader steamrolled me since I'm a bit below in levels and had a mediocre team on me
 
bellydrum said:
But she explicitly tells you multiple times that she is constantly shuffling around Pokemon from her boxes.

One time she catches you before a gym battle and says she'd love to battle you, but her team composition is currently oriented toward fighting the gym leader.

Another time she says she wants to battle, so she runs back to go change her Pokemon to fight you and suggests you fight the gym in the meantime.

I also want to point out that she isn't "the reigning Champion"; there are many Champions, but Nemona is just the youngest one. That's all
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yeah but it's one of those "tell not show" things. We know she's got other teams because she tells us, but we don't get to see what they are, her series of fights just iterates her squad upward like most other rivals
 
Apopheniac said:
yeah but it's one of those "tell not show" things. We know she's got other teams because she tells us, but we don't get to see what they are, her series of fights just iterates her squad upward like most other rivals
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Yeah, I wish she had shown more Pokemon, Hop did this in SwSh.
 
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Bowser Sr. said:
As much as GF stumbles their way thru life, it does feel like people kind of no-sell them even harder than they most likely should, yeah. Like this game seems to have added "attacking, roaring, and getting damaged while swimming" animations for various previous water-type monsters, which is the kind of presentation effort you'd presume some would be happy about, but I haven't particularly seen anyone bring up these new assets.
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I'm honestly a little surprised at how many Pokémon got swimming animations. Like Sylveon has a swimming animation, that definitely could've gotten away with being stuck on a floatie
 
Finished up the Path of Legends today, and man

I was not expecting to tear up like I did; I felt bad fighting Arven's Mabosstiff but he did KO my Dachsbun so I didn't feel that bad, lol.
 
KilgoreWolfe said:
Finished up the Path of Legends today, and man

I was not expecting to tear up like I did; I felt bad fighting Arven's Mabosstiff but he did KO my Dachsbun so I didn't feel that bad, lol.
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Same here!
So is the rest of post game just Pokedex and Raid battles?
 
Zellia said:
The online Tera Raid search system is... not good. It honestly would need a total overhaul to be good, but if they reduced the cooldown on refreshing the listings it might be more tolerable. As it is, spending 30 seconds to get a 'Could not join' message, knowing that the other listed raids probably filled up while you were trying to get into one is, well, exactly what I expect from Game Freak, to be honest.
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So to add to this, I saw a Reddit post explaining how the postings work and it actually appears to be true. Rather than showing you individual games, the system will attempt to find someone hosting that raid and put you in - it's technically possible to just keep trying to get into a particular raid until you get into one, and given there's a three minute timer for an individual raid to fill up, it must be trying to get you into any open raid rather than a specific one.

That's an improvement. It's still not good, and they should have made a proper matchmaking queue for it that lets you do other stuff while you wait, but it's at least something.

Also saw this amazing support Chansey set in an online 6* raid. Had Life Dew/Heal Pulse/Helping Hand/Light Screen, definitely tempted to get one for myself in pugs. Might be super handy for the upcoming Charizard raid.
 
kimbo99 said:
Same here!
So is the rest of post game just Pokedex and Raid battles?
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There's Academy Tournament (gym rematches) and that Turo/Sada story where you catch the remaining paradox pokés and that's it. Academy Tournament can be repeated and beaten Team Star members can be fought once a day
 
I'm starting to get a little annoyed by the bugginess of the Tera Raids. Sometimes I just like, can't do anything for what feels like forever
 
9-Volt said:
There's Academy Tournament (gym rematches) and that Turo/Sada story where you catch the remaining paradox pokés and that's it. Academy Tournament can be repeated and beaten Team Star members can be fought once a day
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Gee-Wilikers!!! This maybe the most content filled Pokemon game yet. And DLC is on the way too!
 
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kimbo99 said:
Same here!
So is the rest of post game just Pokedex and Raid battles?
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If you just finished the Path of Legends you're not in the post game yet.

Completing the fourth story rolls credits.
 
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I’ve been catching one of every Pokémon I come across and I feel like I’m starting to get burnt out on it after a few hours. Battles just take way too long and they aren’t very much fun. I really miss the catching system from PLA, and even from LGPE. Collecting Pokémon is by far my favorite part of the games, and it’s still fun here. It’s just not as good as it should be.

Plus, it feels like my team is getting way too strong doing this. I absolutely obliterated the grass gym with a Corvisquire that was five levels higher than the leader’s ace. I one-shotted “Truleewoodo”. I’m gonna have to start switching out some of the team members.
 
Red Monster said:
Battles just take way too long and they aren’t very much fun.
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Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem. Battles feel more sluggish than ever, it seems they doubled the lag between one of the fifty messages that spell for the player what they can already see on the screen.

I don't know if it's part of the performance problems or what, but it feels slower than gen 4.
 
I am taking the History class and tell me this isn't a similar story to Made in Abyss. And all the clues were there, l love it lol.
 
Red Monster said:
I’ve been catching one of every Pokémon I come across and I feel like I’m starting to get burnt out on it after a few hours. Battles just take way too long and they aren’t very much fun. I really miss the catching system from PLA, and even from LGPE. Collecting Pokémon is by far my favorite part of the games, and it’s still fun here. It’s just not as good as it should be.

Plus, it feels like my team is getting way too strong doing this. I absolutely obliterated the grass gym with a Corvisquire that was five levels higher than the leader’s ace. I one-shotted “Truleewoodo”. I’m gonna have to start switching out some of the team members.
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This game feels like you absolutely need to be swapping out team members constantly if you want to keep it challenging, moreso than any other Pokemon game IMO. If you keep your team a level or three below the gyms and Star bases, it can be fairly tough especially early due to the Pokemon the enemies are using. I would play it more like an SMT game almost, where you don't get attached to your Pokemon all that much, or at least have like 8-12 members so you can rotate them out and evenly level up.
 
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ok, Area Zero is literally the best thing to ever happen to Pokemon in a long time.
 
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Leo said:
Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem. Battles feel more sluggish than ever, it seems they doubled the lag between one of the fifty messages that spell for the player what they can already see on the screen.

I don't know if it's part of the performance problems or what, but it feels slower than gen 4.
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It's reminding me of the 1 vs 5 battles in the 3DS era. Slooooooooooow.
 
Is the Tera type icon in the boxes (white one under the gender icon) only there for eventual imports from other games for Pokémon lacking a Teratype? Because it even appears for all of my basic mon who have the same Tera as their main type…
 
Made a good amount of progress today, only 2 gyms, 1 titan and 2 team raids left.
 
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Ok, today I should finally be able to finish the main story, I can’t wait to see what everyone has been talking about
 
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I was told I found a mass outbreak of Glimmet near Alfornada, when I got there none were there. What's going on??

Edit: turns out the map is really confusing for this one, it's inside a cave near the water but shows up as an icon on the grass as it's underneath there. I also have a few spares if anyone here needs one.
 
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I’m thinking ahead to the Tera Charizard raid after just struggling with my son and a three star raid earlier. I’m going to need to build up a Pokémon specifically for that raid. I have no experience building Pokémon in the main games, so no idea what Pokémon and what type, and also how to level it up.

If someone has any tips for a training novice they would be
Much appreciated

Edit: I’m reading about Daschbun, I have a level 26 one with the Well Baked ability, but how do I know if it’s worth training up and how do I go about it? Just keep using it in battle?
 
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Symtendo said:
I’m thinking ahead to the Tera Charizard raid after just struggling with my son and a three star raid earlier. I’m going to need to build up a Pokémon specifically for that raid. I have no experience building Pokémon in the main games, so no idea what Pokémon and what type, and also how to level it up.

If someone has any tips for a training novice they would be
Much appreciated

Edit: I’m reading about Daschbun, I have a level 26 one with the Well Baked ability, but how do I know if it’s worth training up and how do I go about it? Just keep using it in battle?
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Raids scale up in level per star level, Charizard is likely to be level 100 since 6 star raids are level 90. That means you'll probably want level 100 Pokemon to take it on successfully.

Sounds daunting, but once you get 5 star raids and can beat them (they're level 75), you can get a lot of exp candy to level up Pokemon quickly.

Dachsbun might be a great choice depending on what they give Charizard for moves.
 
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