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News Persona 3 Portable, Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 Royal coming to Nintendo Switch (P5R out now, P3P and P4G available January 19, 2023)

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but it’s not something I think could’ve been added as DLC because it’s just too different from the original.
This is false though. It could have absolutely been added as DLC. You just add an option which lets you choose whether to start a P5 playthrough or a Royal playthrough. Pokémon USUM on 3DS could have been a DLC to SM in the same way.

But in both cases Atlus and Game Freak/TPC decided it'd make them more money to only rerelease.
 
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Persona 5 Royal is now available for pre-order on the UK Eshop, its £54.99(and 14.5 GB), which is way too much money for me.
 
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I only ever played P3P on Vita (I only play Persona if it's on handheld) and I thought it was really good, so based on the reactions in this thread I need to never play FES so I don't know what I missed.
 
I only ever played P3P on Vita (I only play Persona if it's on handheld) and I thought it was really good, so based on the reactions in this thread I need to never play FES so I don't know what I missed.
FES isn't as bad. Especially the wiki page where you can read up on the plot of the Answer so you don't need to play the game 😂
 
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FYI the game is available for preload on Xbox Series if you have GamePass.
 
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I wonder how high the ceiling is for the sales of this game now that it's on PC/Xbox/Switch. Vanilla 5 is likely somewhere in the ballpark of 4M, and around 2.5M for Royal, which is pretty great for an exclusive JRPG. The potential on Switch and PC especially seems pretty high considering the demand for these ports.
 
I wonder how high the ceiling is for the sales of this game now that it's on PC/Xbox/Switch. Vanilla 5 is likely somewhere in the ballpark of 4M, and around 2.5M for Royal, which is pretty great for an exclusive JRPG. The potential on Switch and PC especially seems pretty high considering the demand for these ports.

OG P5 reached 3.2m in December 2019 and it sold almost nothing ever since. P5R sold 1.8m in mid 2021, a 400k increase over 1.4m 12 months before.

Realistically P5 is sub 3.5m and P5R possibly reached 2m. Legs for JRPGs are always very poor.


Regarding P5's potentials we'll see. P4G sold a lot on PC but it was a €20 release, P5R will cost 3x more.
 
I wonder how high the ceiling is for the sales of this game now that it's on PC/Xbox/Switch. Vanilla 5 is likely somewhere in the ballpark of 4M, and around 2.5M for Royal, which is pretty great for an exclusive JRPG. The potential on Switch and PC especially seems pretty high considering the demand for these ports.
It could sell more on Switch than any other Atlus game on the platform has so far.

On PC it will fucking explode, if not at launch then in the long run.
 
I mean yeah, Persona 5 is not as good as either 3 or 4 if you take everything in account, by dayumn the music and style is top notch.
 
OG P5 reached 3.2m in December 2019 and it sold almost nothing ever since. P5R sold 1.8m in mid 2021, a 400k increase over 1.4m 12 months before.

Realistically P5 is sub 3.5m and P5R possibly reached 2m. Legs for JRPGs are always very poor.


Regarding P5's potentials we'll see. P4G sold a lot on PC but it was a €20 release, P5R will cost 3x more.
Hard to say without updated numbers. I'd be surprised if Vanilla P5 was still under 3.5M. P5 wasn't like a lot of JRPGs in that it felt like it broke into discussion more, to the point of being nominated for GOTY. So it has more eyes than your typical game of the genre.

It could sell more on Switch than any other Atlus game on the platform has so far.

On PC it will fucking explode, if not at launch then in the long run.
Persona 4 Golden is a decade old game and it sold over a million on Steam, so I agree 100%. And if SMTV can cross a million on Switch, surely P5 can as well. Especially when they have people like yourself and me who will gladly double or triple dip lol
 
I mean yeah, Persona 5 is not as good as either 3 or 4 if you take everything in account, by dayumn the music and style is top notch.
At first I was kinda disappointed. But know I keep thinking about the whole theme, the characters and the chilling in the cafe and I fdefinitely want to replay it lol. Plus, it comes with loads of DLC. I remember (maybe wrongly) it also came with some OST tracks from Persona 4. If I can explore with Your Affection and battle with Mass Destruction I'm not complaining.
 
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Hard to say without updated numbers. I'd be surprised if Vanilla P5 was still under 3.5M. P5 wasn't like a lot of JRPGs in that it felt like it broke into discussion more, to the point of being nominated for GOTY. So it has more eyes than your typical game of the genre.

There is no reason to buy the OG P5 over P5R, that reached very low prices everywhere. Also the game has been for almost 2 years (PS5 launch to early 2022) on the PSN+ collection too.
 
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Recommended Persona 4 Golden here, but I myself am looking forward playing Persona 5 (in this case, Royal) for the first time.
 
Recommended Persona 4 Golden here, but I myself am looking forward playing Persona 5 (in this case, Royal) for the first time.
Everybody says P3 and P4 are better (me too), but P5 is an EXCELLENT game and you are in for a great treat! And you have a demi-fiend avatar which means we homies!
 
Everybody says P3 and P4 are better (me too), but P5 is an EXCELLENT game and you are in for a great treat! And you have a demi-fiend avatar which means we homies!

I'm really looking forward to the experience! Really like what I've briefly saw so far, but I don't want to spoil things too much by watching hours-long playthroughs, And thanks my fellow Megaten-fan. :cool:
 
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I mean yeah, Persona 5 is not as good as either 3 or 4 if you take everything in account.

Hardest disagree of all time. P3/P4 are quite dated games with old-school dungeon crawler mechanics that casual gamers won’t enjoy as much. The characters are less complex, the story beats are less mature, and the OST’s are less refined. The graphics and character models are also very PS2-era, which series newcomers will feel immediately.

Respectfully, I can’t speak to anyone’s own nostalgia for the series, but P5R is as good as modern JRPGs get, and will stand the test of time much better IMO.
 
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If it was called Belda no one would care
Eh, a game that drags for more hours than it should and constantly betrays its themes shouldn't score as high to be honest.

Mind you, that's not so much the case with P4 (Not as much as least).

(Also, Zelda is not even an example now. Every recent entry aside from BOTW has scored less than 90, much less in fact).
 
Eh, a game that drags for more hours than it should and constantly betrays its themes shouldn't score as high to be honest.

Mind you, that's not so much the case with P4 (Not as much as least).

(Also, Zelda is not even an example now. Every recent entry aside from BOTW has scored less than 90, much less in fact).
People may not agree with your takes on how the game handles its themes, that's the thing about literary critique (and adjacent), it's all incredibly subjective. Your read of the game is valid, sure, but so is the read of those people who disagree with you; it just so happens those people appear to be far more numerous than the ones who feel Persona betrays its themes.

The comment about length is, again, an issue specific to certain people; very obviously, given the long term sales of the games, the consistent popularity and excitement surrounding them, and the critical acclaim, the length is not viewed as a detriment by others.

Also, Zelda is very much an example, every new mainline Zelda scores a 93 or above. If you want to count spin offs and rereleases to claim otherwise, then sure, but I can do the same and talk about Persona Arena or Strikers or Dancing or rereleases like 4 Golden and tell you how no Persona release in recent years except P5R was a 90+, and we'd end up in the same place.

Which is to say, arguments about "bias" in critical reviews when selectively applied to one specific property or developer are always disingenuous across the board. If you want to make the case that Persona gets more benefit of the doubt with reviews than many other games – which, by the way, is an absolutely valid thing to say, because it does – then at least be honest enough and accept that that's not true for just Persona, that's true for everything. Critics are people, they have their own preferences, those preferences inform their opinions. Popular and beloved IP and developers (Zelda, Mario, GTA, Naughty Dog, Bethesda, Persona, FromSoft) always gets a bit more leeway with reviews and critical acclaim than equivalent other stuff might. Either you accept it across the board, or you accept it for nothing. Trying to claim it applies to Persona but nothing else seems like you have a bone to pick with this specific series in particular and are trying to reconcile the fact that others like these games more than you do, and rather than going with the Occam's Razor explanation of "they just liked it more than me" you are trying to come up with all sorts of contrivances.
 
People may not agree with your takes on how the game handles its themes, that's the thing about literary critique (and adjacent), it's all incredibly subjective. Your read of the game is valid, sure, but so is the read of those people who disagree with you; it just so happens those people appear to be far more numerous than the ones who feel Persona betrays its themes.
but like the game spectacularly undermines its themes to a point where its not even subjective. like how are you gonna spend a whole dungeon focusing on a teacher abusing their students and then have a whole ass relationship between a teacher and a student thats treated as funny anime hijinks. doesnt compute to me.
 
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but like the game spectacularly undermines its themes. like how are you gonna spend a whole dungeon focusing on a teacher abusing their students and then have a whole ass relationship between a teacher and a student thats treated as funny anime hijinks. doesnt compute to me.
Sure, I agree! The Kawakami relationship never say right with me at all.

Also guess what, it's 50 minutes total (of optional content) in a 125 hour game, so
 
Completely disagree, P3P was my first Persona and everything you mentioned came across well. The music, voice acting, portraits and still images do more than enough to communicate the vibe. Seems reductive to say that VNs can’t create the same level of immersion or atmosphere. Naturally if you have trouble imagining things based on text (some people do) it will be harder but if you don’t have that problem it’s totally fine.
100% agreed. I even played P3P after P4G (both on the Vita back then), and still found P3P to be an exceptionally atmospheric game with a very good sense of world building and immersing you in its setting.

Might be hard(er) to imagine for folks that played FES before giving P3P a shot, admittedly.
I agree with both of these statements. P3P was the first time I played P3 and I never found that atmosphere of dread lacking in the VN presentation.
 
I'm debating going physical vs. digital on P5R - I'm like 90% digital on Switch, but it's not exactly a game where you'll pop it in and play it for 10-15 minutes.

Either way I'll probably wait for a sale. P5 is one of my all time favorite games, but I've got a lot going on and a refresh isn't a must play day 1 for me. Nonetheless I'm excited to finally dive in and see how much they've changed.

Also I already bought P5R on sale on PS4 thinking it would never come to Switch...
 
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Hardest disagree of all time. P3/P4 are quite dated games with old-school dungeon crawler mechanics that casual gamers won’t enjoy as much. The characters are less complex, the story beats are less mature, and the OST’s are less refined. The graphics and character models are also very PS2-era, which series newcomers will feel immediately.

Respectfully, I can’t speak to anyone’s own nostalgia for the series, but P5R is as good as modern JRPGs get, and will stand the test of time much better IMO.
That’s a hard disagree then ;)

I actually played P4G after P5, so there is no nostalgia there for me. In the big picture, I would never consider P5 as something worse or whatever hyperbolic internet nonsense, but comparing all three with each other during my times with them, I just believe that both P3 and P4 are a bit better. For example I like the vibe of Persona 4 more (and think the villain is better), I really dig the dark atmosphere in 3. Those things give the games a bit more pep over P5 for me.
 
P3 I thought was fine when I played it. I enjoyed it, but the story is whatever. The characters are very cliche and the gameplay isn't as good as it could be because you can't control your party. I wasn't crazy about the random generated dungeons either.

P4 at the time it came out, I had as the best RPG on the PS2 (I changed my mind later when I played SMT3). It's a huge improvement from P3 and a great game in a vacuum, however, it's extremely problematic with all its bigotry. Yosuke is a capital asshole and Teddie is a fucking creep, and they're probably the characters with the most screentime in the game. I get the high praise the game gets, but I suspect it comes mostly from straight males, because gay people, trans people and women would have a VERY hard time getting into that game nowdays with how much trash it throws at you constantly. There are entire arcs dedicated to how thinking you're gay or not cisgender is super scary but it's just a phase and you will get over it when you get more mature. It's that bad.

P5 I haven't played and am looking forward to since the homophobia was apparently rectified in Royal.
 
First I've heard about this, can you elaborate?
Well, aside from the already mentioned issues concerning teacher/student relationships, there's also the fact that the first frikking arc is all about abuse of power and sexual harassment towards minors... and one of the minors that is also a protagonist is constantly sexualized and harassed by the rest of the cast after that.
 
Well, aside from the already mentioned issues concerning teacher/student relationships, there's also the fact that the first frikking arc is all about abuse of power and sexual harassment toward minors... and one of the minors that is also a protagonist is constantly sexualized and harassed by the rest of the cast after that.

Oh yeah, having a minor in your party that is constantly sexualized by everyone in the game be it friends or enemies is par for the course in Persona games.
 
Oh yeah, having a minor in your party that is constantly sexualized by everyone in the game be it friends or enemies is par for the course in Persona games.
True but is especially off here considering what the opening arc was all about. One of the reasons why P5 really doesn't know how to handle the themes it implements.
 
Well, aside from the already mentioned issues concerning teacher/student relationships, there's also the fact that the first frikking arc is all about abuse of power and sexual harassment towards minors... and one of the minors that is also a protagonist is constantly sexualized and harassed by the rest of the cast after that.

I don't think teens being horny with each other is in the same league as a teacher blackmailing a student for sex. Not even in the same sport. And that stuff was always there; it wasn't added in Royal.
 
True but is especially off here considering what the opening arc was all about. One of the reasons why P5 really doesn't know how to handle the themes it implements.
You keep saying this like it's some game-ruining thing that is implemented into the main plot and destroys the themes of the game, and I could not possibly disagree harder. Is the teacher relationship bad, and shouldn't have been in the game? Yes. 100% agree there. But I actually do like her plotline/background story/social link quite a bit, it has some interesting things to say about being a teacher, her feelings related to guilt, and responsibility. So long as you don't take that extra step to actually get into the relationship (which honestly I don't know a single person IRL who has done that) then IMO it's pretty good. The relationship element is like... optional content WITHIN optional content.

I'm not saying the game is perfect overall, it certainly has some oversexualization of Ann throughout (much like @Leo talked about), the relationships with ALL the adults are problematic if you decide to do the romances, and there are other little things scattered throughout like that, too. It has flaws. But those elements are such miniscule parts of the overall game and often optional. I feel like the game in general does so many things amazingly well and is well worth peoples' time. Speaking of themes, in my opinion the final 25% of the game or so (plus a lot more with Royal) is one of the single most satisfying wrap-ups and tying themes into the plot of a game that I know of. It's masterful.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong as you have valid points, but I feel like you're overly fixating on one element that's quite small and optional, that does not represent the overall game, and honestly feels a bit dismissive.
 
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