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karmitt said:
I was actually plenty impressed with it :/

I'm not assuming anything they showed is going to change significantly over the next year - they chose to use that footage in their showcase so they likely decided it was most representative of the final product. The game is massive, who knows what the next 6-12 months(?) will be focused on.
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I feel your pain, waiting so long between Fallout 4 and Starfield... Kinda puts the wait between BotW and it's sequel into perspective.

I remember Jason Schreier (?) saying something about how developers were afraid it'd be another Cyberpunk situation with that release date, and personally thought that it looked rough from a technical standpoint. Lighting, LOD, animation in particular didn't look like it should be a 30FPS XSX game.

Not sure if this makes the game less fun though. Here's hoping for all Bethesda fans it lives up to expectations.
 
Boggles my mind how people continuously twist Nate's very careful phrasing. He always says things like "as for now nothing has changed" or "I have been given no reason to think otherwise". There's a big difference between making up bullshit and adjusting your forecast based on private or public sources.

To me it's like getting mad at someone predicting the weather because you packed your umbrella but it didn't end up raining. Ultimately that decision was yours, there is no way your unqualified self could confidently predict whether it was gonna rain or not so don't get mad at the person offering their informed insight for free.
 
if 2022 and even this FY is off the table then the idea that Zelda was pushed back to line-up with hardware becomes more & more likely. always the likeliest scenario in my mind and would expect an announcement in Jan/Feb as production gets going. day & date with Zelda in May.
 
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Dmax3901 said:
Boggles my mind how people continuously twist Nate's very careful phrasing. He always says things like "as for now nothing has changed" or "I have been given no reason to think otherwise". There's a big difference between making up bullshit and adjusting your forecast based on private or public sources.

To me it's like getting mad at someone predicting the weather because you packed your umbrella but it didn't end up raining. Ultimately that decision was yours, there is no way your unqualified self could confidently predict whether it was gonna rain or not so don't get mad at the person offering their informed insight for free.
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Ah now, there's a difference between a forecaster getting it wrong now and then, and him getting up on the telly every day all week, for months, saying "I've heard it's going to rain tommorow." and the rain never comes. Then I'm sure plenty of people, umbrellas in hand, would like to give him a right trashing for the inconvenience.

He has my respect, but he'll have to EARN the benefit of the doubt. 😄
 
Serif said:
The more consoles you have, the greater the value. I use it on Wii, Switch and PS3 so it's worth it. It upscales 480p / 1080p to 1440p on my 4K set and the post-processing AA works a treat - though disable it on pixel-art games.
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It's a higher resolution sprite game rather than something going for an SNES look, but I was pleasantly surprised with what the mClassic did with Fell Seal.

Concernt said:
Ah now, there's a difference between a forecaster getting it wrong now and then, and him getting up on the telly every day all week, for months, saying "I've heard it's going to rain tommorow." and the rain never comes.
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Ehh. In this case it's like someone saying "I've heard it's going to rain the last week of this month", and then later adding "Monday of that week seems pretty unlikely".
 
I see we have reached the "talk about the MClassic" stage of the Switch 4K hardware isn't coming stage. Every year! 😄
 
What tipe of game we can expect on the Switch Drake? or games that could have drake enhancements.

Apart from Star Wars Hunters and Geshin Impact.
 
Ojoloco said:
What tipe of game we can expect on the Switch Drake? or games that could have drake enhancements.

Apart from Star Wars Hunters and Geshin Impact.
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The sequel to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo give us a fucking name already) but in 4K.

Jokes aside it will be like a PS4 Pro most likely. The power of a base PS4 but reaching higher resolutions due to DLSS is a solid guess.
 
Kevin said:
The sequel to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo give us a fucking name already) but in 4K.

Jokes aside it will be like a PS4 Pro most likely. The power of a base PS4 but reaching higher resolutions due to DLSS is a solid guess.
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I think Kingdom Come Deliverance and the Batman Arkham Trilogy could be potentials games with Switch Drake enchancement modes
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
It's a higher resolution sprite game rather than something going for an SNES look, but I was pleasantly surprised with what the mClassic did with Fell Seal.
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Very slick. I tested it on Muramasa recently and got a similar improvement. That game really needs to be on Switch at this point, though.
 
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My Tulpa said:
By “insiders” you mean that Nikkei reporter?
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I’m just wondering who is most butt hurt and whose credibility is at risk.

But don’t mind me - I just like to watch the world burn.

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Kevin said:
Most likely would work well while retaining the visuals you would want.
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but I'm talking about potential games with improvements in drake or exclusive to it, not what these will look like (probably they look great on drake).


Another potential game could be a port of AC Valhalla (or the rumored spin off of AC Valhalla)
 
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Polygon said:
Nate has always said Q4 2022 / H1 2023 since 2020.

Nothing has changed in that regard.
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No he hasnt - he said Early 2023 not H1 2023

And please: As long ad you havent verified your sources (and others) please dont post anythink like „its coming in 2023 etc.“

Dont takte it personally just for the reason of to avoid spam 👍😉
 
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Concernt said:
Ah now, there's a difference between a forecaster getting it wrong now and then, and him getting up on the telly every day all week, for months, saying "I've heard it's going to rain tommorow." and the rain never comes. Then I'm sure plenty of people, umbrellas in hand, would like to give him a right trashing for the inconvenience.

He has my respect, but he'll have to EARN the benefit of the doubt. 😄
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Nate has never been that specific. End of 2022 - early 2023 is a huge window. I'd understand being miffed if Nate had been saying November 2022 lock it in 100% no doubt on my mind, but that's not what he's been doing.

Also, if he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt I don't know which insider has, besides Emily I guess.
 
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Maybe, we could have a tier list of- *muffled sounds of a struggle being dragged away from keyboard*
 
Whatever Bloomberg, Nikkei, Nate or whoever says about the release date of Drake won't change the fact that it will release when it releases. And the fact that it will be announced when it announces.

Being hyped for a H1 2023 or late 2022 doesn't change the fact that it will release one day or another.

It doesn't matter if Nate said this or that. Nintendo is going to announce it when they feel prepared. To be hyped about a rumoured date, or looking for reassurance doesn't change the fact. What do I care what an insider says. It can change because it's not a final fact (an official statement or announcement), so why if it changes? Why we get so salty? Why this obsession with information? Go get to play some games.
 
Mori Medinayo said:
Whatever Bloomberg, Nikkei, Nate or whoever says about the release date of Drake won't change the fact that it will release when it releases. And the fact that it will be announced when it announces.

Being hyped for a H1 2023 or late 2022 doesn't change the fact that it will release one day or another.

It doesn't matter if Nate said this or that. Nintendo is going to announce it when they feel prepared. To be hyped about a rumoured date, or looking for reassurance doesn't change the fact. What do I care what an insider says. It can change because it's not a final fact (an official statement or announcement), so why if it changes? Why we get so salty? Why this obsession with information? Go get to play some games.
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Since Oct 21... we've also seen a war erupt, further supply chains problems, etc...

No industry is operating under normal conditions. Nintendo was not expecting shortages, as anyone can see based on their wording in the FY report. Plans change. It's not an excuse. Plans change for a variety of reasons.

And this isn't a reply to you or your post. Just expanding upon your post.
 
Polygon said:
Nate has always said Q4 2022 / H1 2023 since 2020.

Nothing has changed in that regard.
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No, he is saying late 2022 is off the table. So the implication is early 2023 is the only thing left on the table.

I think most of took “early” to mean by March 31, 2023. Nikkei is saying it won’t be before March 31.

So we need to pick:
1. Nikkei is wrong and @NateDrake is right
2. Stretch the definition of “early” into April or beyond
3. Nate is wrong and Nikkei is right
 
Serif said:
ResetEra has banned insiders like Zippo.
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Mmm, Zippo has had an account at ResetERa since 2017, has had over 8k posts and was banned in 2021, despite being known for a while to not be a source.

I’d consider Resetera to be the “mixed bag” at best.


I’m still waiting for my RE Switch that was leaked by Dusk Golem, and said game appeared nowhere in the Capcom ransomware leak. Dusk got a couple things right like the recent Silent Hill leak, but his other stuff has been… dubious at best and he was verified.


Resetera would verify practically anyone that can be convincing enough to the mods/admins. It’s ultimately useless.
 
Just tried the two dlc Mario kart 8 circuit waves, and is it me, or are the graphics on some tracks worse graphically than the originals, like lower texture resolutions, models, etc? Also that Sydney one has slow downs which Is a first for Mario kart 8. This new switch is already a year too late coming.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Mmm, Zippo has had an account at ResetERa since 2017, has had over 8k posts and was banned in 2021, despite being known for a while to not be a source.

I’d consider Resetera to be the “mixed bag” at best.


I’m still waiting for my RE Switch that was leaked by Dusk Golem, and said game appeared nowhere in the Capcom ransomware leak. Dusk got a couple things right like the recent Silent Hill leak, but his other stuff has been… dubious at best and he was verified.


Resetera would verify practically anyone that can be convincing enough to the mods/admins. It’s ultimately useless.
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This makes zero sense. You say yourself that Dusk has got stuff right (understating things imo). All the mods verify is that the person could feasibly be in a position to know the stuff they claim to know, not that everything they share information on will be 100% accurate and will be announced/released.
 
Dmax3901 said:
This makes zero sense. You say yourself that Dusk has got stuff right (understating things imo). All the mods verify is that the person could feasibly be in a position to know the stuff they claim to know, not that everything they share information on will be 100% accurate and will be announced/released.
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I’m not sure if I understand what you’re getting at, the original poster commented about the reputation on other game forumsites, and resetera was one of the gaming forms I mention in the group of other forms that have poor to mixed bag reputation when it comes to insiders. Serif quoted me with the thing about zippo, and I simply responded an example of how zippo has been allowed to roam or have an account at Resetera for quite a while before he was banned.

For dusk he was just another example of how the Resetera verification isn’t about if you’re right it’s just if you look like you have enough information to convince the staff. That’s why it’s useless and why it has no bearings on the reputation of the site when it comes to insiders.

I just don’t understand why Nate would be singled out here on famiboards like this and about reputation, when other sites don’t really have great reputation tbh.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
I’m not sure if I understand what you’re getting at, the original poster commented about the reputation on other game forumsites, and resetera was one of the gaming forms I mention in the group of other forms that have poor to mixed bag reputation when it comes to insiders. Serif quoted me with the thing about zippo, and I simply responded an example of how zippo has been allowed to roam or have an account at Resetera for quite a while before he was banned.

For dusk he was just another example of how the Resetera verification isn’t about if you’re right it’s just if you look like you have enough information to convince the staff. That’s why it’s useless and why it has no bearings on the reputation of the site when it comes to insiders.

I just don’t understand why Nate would be singled out here on famiboards like this and about reputation, when other sites don’t really have great reputation tbh.
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I guess I just don't understand how you can say the verification process on resetera is useless when dusk was verified by mods and has consistently shared big leaks (RE Village stuff way before it was announced comes to mind) and Zippo was never verified and never shared anything of value.
 
Maxrunner said:
Just tried the two dlc Mario kart 8 circuit waves, and is it me, or are the graphics on some tracks worse graphically than the originals, like lower texture resolutions, models, etc? Also that Sydney one has slow downs which Is a first for Mario kart 8. This new switch is already a year too late coming.
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This is interesting especially about the slowdown. It’s obvious now that the MK team is making tracks for the mainline and mobile version at the same time. I expect all the MK10 tracks to also be in the mobile version. Kind of sucks as there will be massive limitations due to phone performance just as we’ll be getting much more powerful Nintendo hardware but then again they aren’t going to make the next Mario Kart a Drake exclusive when there will be 120 million+ original Switch consoles to sell it to.
 
Dmax3901 said:
I guess I just don't understand how you can say the verification process on resetera is useless when dusk was verified by mods and has consistently shared big leaks (RE Village stuff way before it was announced comes to mind) and Zippo was never verified and never shared anything of value.
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There's also a lot of stuff he said that didn't come true, like sirens in the lake area, or RE8 continuing Revelations plot points/being Rev3 at one point. Not to mention the whole KatharsisT saga...

EDIT: To keep things on topic, assuming the report is true, I have to wonder what Nintendo's internal teams feel about the delays. I'd imagine not very happy; the hardware is getting really long in the tooth for even first party and published titles, seeing as they had to halve Bowser's Fury's framerate in handheld, Xenoblade 3 had to be delayed partly due to performance issues, quite a few published or heavily backed titles only reaching 720p docked, and this isn't going into the litany of issues for launch year games even. People talk about how better hardware would improve the third party situation via ease of development, but that applies to first party too
 
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I think most of us take rumors here with a grain of salt and keep our hopes in check on things that are infos that passed several people and are more than "second hand". Nate can only give us information to a certain degree, the most trustful thing that we have at the moment is still the Nvidia Leak earlier this year and Nate+several sources having heard of devkits and such.

In general a leak of the device or one to few trustworthy news outlets claiming they know the release month or so is the only thing that would be actually to get hyped about (outside of Nintendo just announcing that thing of course lol). Everything else is just speculation even when backed up with some info and a lot of educated guesses.
 
karmitt said:
I’m feeling increasingly alone when I say I’m genuinely happy with titles from Nintendo always supporting base Switch for another 5 years (+).
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I'm kind of split on that. Or rather, I should say it's more of a case by case thing for me; it all goes back to the scope of a project. If a particular vision can be still be executed on base Switch, sure why not. Conversely, if a project's ambitious enough to require Drake to be completed within a reasonable timeframe, so be it. And I see Nintendo continue to develop games in both categories for a while yet. I think that's a common position here.
 
If Drake is still coming out early/1H 2023, expect an announcement in January/February. If Zelda skips the next Direct in September (assuming there is one and it isn't a Partners Mini) it'd be a much clearer indications that they want to showcase it with Drake's improvements, whatever they are. Only 1 more month to know about that.
 
Look over there said:
I'm kind of split on that. Or rather, I should say it's more of a case by case thing for me; it all goes back to the scope of a project. If a particular vision can be still be executed on base Switch, sure why not. Conversely, if a project's ambitious enough to require Drake to be completed within a reasonable timeframe, so be it. And I see Nintendo continue to develop games in both categories for a while yet. I think that's a common position here.
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The idea of a game that really pushes Drake actually sounds exciting.

I'm just saying I'd be far from disappointed if Nintendo's standard for Drake titles was roughly as ambitious as they've been making in 2022, but at 4K/30-60. I even looked at the Scarlet Violet trailer and the only thing that really bothered me was the lack of voice acting and the flickering everywhere, and that game doesn't hold a candle to what Monolithsoft or the Zelda team are doing.

NineTailSage said:
I've seen people post Doctre81 here in the past but just for reference sake he posted this video recently...

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I get his point, but that post he's linking I believe is a bunch of examples where Nikkei reports that something is going to happen (e.g new hardware), Nintendo says it's untrue, and then it ends up happening.

Not the same situation as Nikkei speculating something won't happen, and Nintendo remaining silent. That's where we are right now.

Edit: Frankly there's no option other than remaining silent here from Nintendo's perspective. I guess the point being made by Doctre is that if the information came from Nintendo directly, it could be a lie, but it all feels a bit too forced. I'm not holding my breath.

The only thing that still doesn't sit that well with me is the English reporting around it. Nikkei clearly positioned the article to be a report on Nintendo's production being down, with a what seems like an ambiguous footnote about no new hardware coming, and yet the headline literally everywhere is "no new hardware". Most outlets are reporting on Mochizuki's tweet, which is actually just a question about the source of the information.
 
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Dmax3901 said:
dusk was verified by mods and has consistently shared big leaks (RE Village stuff way before it was announced comes to mind)
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Yep I knew about Dusk because of the rumor of a Switch-exclusive Monster Hunter game with RE engine
I think at the time people were somewhat skeptical of it but it turned out accurate
www.videogameschronicle.com

New Monster Hunter game for Nintendo Switch ‘will be revealed soon’, it’s claimed | VGC

Game reportedly being developed with ‘a Switch compatible version of the RE Engine’…
www.videogameschronicle.com www.videogameschronicle.com
 
karmitt said:
The idea of a game that really pushes Drake actually sounds exciting.

I'm just saying I'd be far from disappointed if Nintendo's standard for Drake titles was roughly as ambitious as they've been making in 2022, but at 4K/30-60. I even looked at the Scarlet Violet trailer and the only thing that really bothered me was the lack of voice acting and the flickering everywhere, and that game doesn't hold a candle to what Monolithsoft or the Zelda team are doing.



I get his point, but that post he's linking I believe is a bunch of examples where Nikkei reports that something is going to happen (e.g new hardware), Nintendo says it's untrue, and then it ends up happening.

Not the same situation as Nikkei speculating something won't happen, and Nintendo remaining silent. That's where we are right now.

Edit: Frankly there's no option other than remaining silent here from Nintendo's perspective. I guess the point being made by Doctre is that if the information came from Nintendo directly, it could be a lie, but it all feels a bit too forced. I'm not holding my breath.

The only thing that still doesn't sit that well with me is the English reporting around it. Nikkei clearly positioned the article to be a report on Nintendo's production being down, with a what seems like an ambiguous footnote about no new hardware coming, and yet the headline literally everywhere is "no new hardware". Most outlets are reporting on Mochizuki's tweet, which is actually just a question about the source of the information.
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That's the most confusing part about this whole thing is that who said what and is this just a hypothetical from Nikkei based on Nintendo talking about their troubles with securing components...
 
NineTailSage said:
That's the most confusing part about this whole thing is that who said what and is this just a hypothetical from Nikkei based on Nintendo talking about their troubles with securing components...
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From what I can tell (and maybe my read is wrong) is that the mention of no new hardware for the FY is Nikkei's opinion based on Nintendo expressing concern about having access to components. Some of the English translations (Gibson's) are omitting context, but those are the tweets many have referenced.
 
Nintendo has a history of straight up lying or misleading people when they have a new product on the way and they don't want people to discuss it, get excited for it or wait for it. Here is a good article covering some of this misdirection from Nintendo:

www.vooks.net

Nintendo and the Nikkei - A History of Rumour Rumbles - Vooks

Everyone says the Nikkei has a good track record, but do they really?
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Most people online seem quite certain that the Nikkei article from the other day confirms no new Switch hardware is coming anytime soon but honestly I don't think it's changed the narrative for me much after really thinking about it. I still wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo unveils new hardware in say February and targets an early Spring release along with Zelda. I was disappointed for a few hours after that article until I reactivated my brain cells and really thought about Nintendo's history of misleading people when it comes to new hardware plans.

I don't think hardware is coming this year but I do still think it's launching with the next Zelda release. It just makes way too much sense for the new hardware to launch with Zelda. Not just because that is what they did in 2017 but because BOTW was likely a much bigger success then they were ever expecting and they will want to double down on this strategy a second time around. I know I would. It worked and worked well.
 
NateDrake said:
From what I can tell (and maybe my read is wrong) is that the mention of no new hardware for the FY is Nikkei's opinion based on Nintendo expressing concern about having access to components. Some of the English translations (Gibson's) are omitting context, but those are the tweets many have referenced.
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Which at the end of the day is very different from Nikkei saying “our sources have confirmed that hardware is not due for release until sometime after this FY”. It’s a reasonable assumption at this stage but the way it’s being treated, and what it’s actually reporting, are pretty different.
 
karmitt said:
Which at the end of the day is very different from Nikkei saying “our sources have confirmed that hardware is not due for release until sometime after this FY”. It’s a reasonable assumption at this stage but the way it’s being treated, and what it’s actually reporting, are pretty different.
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That's the key issue. It's being framed as either an official stance from Nintendo or a report from Nikkei citing sources -- neither of which seems to be the case (pending better translations).
 
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