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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)



Edit: Note this isn’t Mochizuki’s reporting. I wonder if he will have any articles or comments of his own as a follow up


What is actually reported in this article that would suggest no new hardware until after the current FY ends?

What’s the argument/theory here.
 
What is actually reported in this article that would suggest no new hardware until after the current FY ends?

What’s the argument/theory here.

This is why I'm waiting for further localized commentary. I can't read it, and there's basically nothing else out there identifying what's being said.

Nate also said he won't be commenting, but I'm of the opinion that narrowing down the window, removing late 2022 as an option, is worth commenting on.
 
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Do we know how DLSS performs with extremely low tensor core /clock speeds? i think that was the point of discussion late last year as we have no product to compare from. At the time we were still expecting 4-6 SMs and it made sense to turn off the tensor cores in portable mode to save power.
I don’t think that argument were ever particularly valid. Especially if we get a 720p screen that’s a 9th of 4k. The Lower target will
More than compensate for lower clocks.

And something like 540p to 720p dlss will probably use less power than straight up 720p.

If it’s 1080p, dlss will be crucial for many games.
 
At least we can definitively say April to June 2023 for Drake.



Right?


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Can we give up on it being a pro now? Or do people think Nintendo will release a pro nearly 7 years into the life of a console?
The argument of it being a Pro or a next generation has always been meaningless. The power of Drake is what you’d expect of a next gen hardware. The only remaining question is how it will be positioned by Nintendo.
 
The argument of it being a Pro or a next generation has always been meaningless. The power of Drake is what you’d expect of a next gen hardware. The only remaining question is how it will be positioned by Nintendo.
I agree, the only question is how they position it. And the idea of positioning it as a pro nearly 7 years in is beginning to reach into silly territory. What is even the advantage to positioning it as a pro at that point? Regular switch sales are gonna be dying down hard by then anyway, so you're just choosing to sell less drake for no real benefit. If they just want to keep software sales going on the regular switch, there's nothing stopping them from doing cross gen support like the ps5.
 
I agree, the only question is how they position it. And the idea of positioning it as a pro nearly 7 years in is beginning to reach into silly territory. What is even the advantage to positioning it as a pro at that point? Regular switch sales are gonna be dying down hard by then anyway, so you're just choosing to sell less drake for no real benefit. If they just want to keep software sales going on the regular switch, there's nothing stopping them from doing cross gen support like the ps5.
This more or less.If there was any time to release a midcycle refresh it would've been in 2020-2021.Even if they still wanted to keep taking advantage of the switchs install base they could just market it like they did for the GBA and the DS with the addition of a crossgen period.
 
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The way I feel about waiting for the more powerful Switch hardware.
 
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Without an option to actually have that Nikkei report available and translated, i go with my gut feeling that this isn't a statement by Furukawa as it is way too absolute / definitive.

He would / should have given a non-answer like usual when being asked stuff like this.

So i think this is Nikkei reporting/speculation. Might be valid, of course. Though i will continue to hope until September ends, after that it's certain that 2022 is out of the question.
 
In fact, we always said first half of 2023. This finAncial year was never a thing, you remember it wrong.

Ignoring the post you're responding to, as they're really trivializing all the reasonable discussion happening around most of those dates, Nate did present "late 2022 and Q1 2023" as the "six month window" back in October 2021. I can appreciate that it's difficult to pin down things, but the messaging was not as broad as H1 2023 in the past.

Without an option to actually have that Nikkei report available and translated, i go with my gut feeling that this isn't a statement by Furukawa as it is way too absolute / definitive.

He would / should have given a non-answer like usual when being asked stuff like this.

So i think this is Nikkei reporting/speculation. Might be valid, of course. Though i will continue to hope until September ends, after that it's certain that 2022 is out of the question.

He gave a non-answer earlier this year. That said I'm not sure I can stay on the 2022 train unless we get some further comments. I'm inclined to assume H1 2023 for now.
 
Gentle reminder that Nintendo spokespersons are not a reliable source of information on the subject.

Also Nate just reiterated on this forum that the info from last year still stands - end of 22, beginning of 23.

This thread goes to doom o'clock startlingly easy and seemingly without much of a reason.
 
Ignoring the post you're responding to, as they're really trivializing all the reasonable discussion happening around most of those dates, Nate did present "late 2022 and Q1 2023" as the "six month window" back in October 2021. I can appreciate that it's difficult to pin down things, but the messaging was not as broad as H1 2023 in the past.



He gave a non-answer earlier this year. That said I'm not sure I can stay on the 2022 train unless we get some further comments. I'm inclined to assume H1 2023 for now.
And now that it looks like q1 2023 isn't going to make it, he is saying he always said H1 2023.
 
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Ignoring the post you're responding to, as they're really trivializing all the reasonable discussion happening around most of those dates, Nate did present "late 2022 and Q1 2023" as the "six month window" back in October 2021. I can appreciate that it's difficult to pin down things, but the messaging was not as broad as H1 2023 in the past.



He gave a non-answer earlier this year. That said I'm not sure I can stay on the 2022 train unless we get some further comments. I'm inclined to assume H1 2023 for now.

I mean, Nikkei is pretty legit in terms of Nintendo stuff, but ultimately it's still an outside, third party reporting.

And what can i say, everyone's free to do/believe what they want, if you don't wanna hope for 2022 anymore then do that. ^^
Just don't be like a lot of people about it, you know "huurrduuur likeisaid stoopeeed other peeeple i is very smarty". ;D

And hey, come September 30th without an announcement and i join team early 2023 too!

I don't care about the exact release date... just announce it already!

Here's the thing, the announcement will likely be close (few months) to the release, so if the release really is 2023, then there won't be an announcement in 2022.
 
And what can i say, everyone's free to do/believe what they want, if you don't wanna hope for 2022 anymore then do that. ^^
Just don't be like a lot of people about it, you know "huurrduuur likeisaid stoopeeed other peeeple i is very smarty". ;D

And hey, come September 30th without an announcement and i join team early 2023 too!

There's already a thread with very 'huurrduuur' vibe. Some people are more interested in being 'right' than trying to have a discussion.
 
There's already a thread with very 'huurrduuur' vibe. Some people are more interested in being 'right' than trying to have a discussion.

Oh i know, i've seen. I won't entertain that thread, thank god Fami has a nifty feature for this. ^^
 
Here's the thing, the announcement will likely be close (few months) to the release, so if the release really is 2023, then there won't be an announcement in 2022.
yes true, but still more hyped for the announcement than knowing the day where we will be able to get our hands on it. (even tho it is highly possible that not everyone here will get it D-1)
 
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If we believe Bloomberg saying there are at least 12 devs with kits out there, I don't don't see why we wouldn't believe Nikkei telling us nothing will release this fiscal year. Can't really pick and choose here.
 
Whenever they decide to announce it I bet the forecast for FY2024 will already include Drake, so Spring 2023.
 
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Because that is just Nikkei´s opinion/speculation not a Nintendo statement.

Nikkei's speculation is historically more reliable than a lot of other sources, including Nintendo.

That said, not announced the current FY still leaves a launch alongside BotW 2 on the cards, which is pretty much what a lot of people guessed.
 
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Can't say I'm surprised, I always figured if we got new hardware it would be after the current FY is over. I also feel Zelda is coming this fiscal year and is not being held back to launch with Drake.
To me this means that the new hatdware will launch alongside Zelda. And possibly right after the end of the fiscal year.
2023 is the max as already said.
By you or Nate. I think you've been playing pretty safe for long, long time.
 


@NateDrake :

You said Late 22/ Early 23 —> now its H1 23. thats a pretty big difference. Can you clear us up on this? Is 2022 still in the game?

As recently as March of this year he was saying late 2022 with no mention of 2023, but of course caveated with the “could be delayed” which we’ve been hearing for years at this point. If you constantly predict it will launch in the next fiscal year but that it could be delayed you will eventually be right. Yet some people bought into this so much (for the 2nd or 3rd year in a row?) that they were claiming a July announcement for an October release was imminent despite 0 reliable outlets reporting this.
 
To me this means that the new hatdware will launch alongside Zelda. And possibly right after the end of the fiscal year.

By you or Nate. I think you've been playing pretty safe for long, long time.
I don’t care playing safe. You can re read my post.
Said end of this year is a possibility but 2023 is the max.
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My job here is being winky nothing else 😘
 
@NateDrake

Nate, of course it is not your Duty to tell us infos, but just a couple of days ago you reconfirmed late 2022/early 2023 - now you are confirming H1 23 as it was always your messaged time frame, which isnt the case at all, sorry to say this.

I really think you should clarify this - because this is what I think differed you from all the other leakers, content creators etc. and why I appreciated your posts. It would be such an irony, just days after your podcast complaining about clickbait creators etc (which is 100% true, nothing against that) to go now on H1 23.
 
It was March 2023 you said right? Or do you mean 2023 as a whole?
For me I stick with a Zelda release. Despite I don’t have info bout Zelda since Jan 2021.
Spring is a good target. ( meaning 21st of March to 21 st of June .
I know that some games ( French AA studio ) will be ready for the end of 2023 .
 
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If we believe Bloomberg saying there are at least 12 devs with kits out there, I don't don't see why we wouldn't believe Nikkei telling us nothing will release this fiscal year. Can't really pick and choose here.

I think the issue we’re currently facing is the statement around new hardware doesn’t have a clear line to reach it. It reads like a conclusion is being reached because something seems improbable - they aren’t producing enough hardware so they couldn’t be making new hardware on top of it. Maybe that’s correct, but does it harm anybody to expect something more?

With Bloomberg’s article, support for the headline was incredibly clear and conclusive.

It’s also worth mentioning that the Nikkei headline itself had nothing to do with new hardware, and that the comment is relegated to some part later in the article. We’re acting like Mochizuki endorses the article wholeheartedly when he only asked for clarity on the statement, basically the same as most of us want.

Im not sure why I’m still bothering. I’m out for the eve. Hope more details emerge from other sources soon
 
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Ignore if old.

yeah, nothing new or relevant to Drake

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@pelusilla6

My apologies for sounding dismissive. Going off the breach, Drake is a customized chip based off Orion without the automotive parts, a custom GPU core count, 128 bit bus width for RAM and who knows what else. At the time I didn't find it relevant that the AGX and NX models were just released.

The closest in performance in CPU and GPU core count is between the 32 AGX model and the highest end NX model though. I mean if someone wanted to buy a kit who knows what they are doing and test it out, be my guest. We won't know much like power consumption with the automotive parts and what not.
 
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Why is it always new people to the thread that feel the need to come in here and give the usual “if you say it’s coming soon, you’ll be right eventually”
 
He's just saying h1 2023 was already part of the time frame given hence nikkei article doesn't change his reporting.
But it ain't happening in 2022 either way.
 
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@NateDrake

Nate, of course it is not your Duty to tell us infos, but just a couple of days ago you reconfirmed late 2022/early 2023 - now you are confirming H1 23 as it was always your messaged time frame, which isnt the case at all, sorry to say this.

I really think you should clarify this - because this is what I think differed you from all the other leakers, content creators etc. and why I appreciated your posts. It would be such an irony, just days after your podcast complaining about clickbait creators etc (which is 100% true, nothing against that) to go now on H1 23.
I mean, I have no doubt Nate has sources that have information. But CLARITY and timing being his strong point? Poppycock. Remember the fallout from the lack of an announcement last year and all the leakers (Nate included) dramatically and publicly backtracking on the suggestion and insisting that isn't what they meant, etc. etc. sour grapes etc..

He's respected because he tries. But forthcoming about info has never been his strong point and it's a little silly to expect it now.
 
May/June 2023 with Zelda.

More time for Zelda to cook and not too close to the previous Christmas to annoy people who just bought an OG Switch model.

Wild prediction - Zelda won’t just be getting a resolution boost and will feature enhanced graphics.
 
Wondering what happened to Funcle and Muncle...
Nate, of course it is not your Duty to tell us infos, but just a couple of days ago you reconfirmed late 2022/early 2023 - now you are confirming H1 23 as it was always your messaged time frame, which isnt the case at all, sorry to say this.
I wouldn't read much into it. He's directly referencing his October 2021 info, which clearly states "end of '22 - start of '23".
 
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